Senate bill passed that requires Amtrak to allow passengers to transport firearms


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everallm
September 16, 2009, 05:45 PM
Amtrak just got told they're not so special that they can prohibit an individual right to travel with your firearms.

Although as usual they got the whole "licensed gun owner" thing wrong again...........


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/16/amtrak.guns/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate voted Wednesday to prohibit federal funding to Amtrak unless it allows licensed gun owners to transport their weapons on the passenger trains by next year.
One senator says the measure "is going to put a severe burden" on Amtrak.

One senator says the measure "is going to put a severe burden" on Amtrak.

The measure, an amendment to the Transportation and Housing Appropriations bill, passed 68-30.

The House passed its version of that appropriations bill in July. It did not include a provision to allow guns on Amtrak.

The Senate measure says Amtrak would lose federal subsidies if it prohibits passengers from bringing their guns on board under restrictions similar to those imposed on airlines.

Amtrak spokesman Steve Kulm said the railroad was working on a response to the legislation.

The measure was sponsored by Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Mississippi. He introduced the same legislation in August as part of the budget resolution, and it was approved with bipartisan support, but the provision was removed during final House-Senate negotiations.

"Under current practices, all of the American domestic airlines permit firearms in their checked luggage. Other American passenger railroads also allow checked firearms," Wicker said on the Senate floor.

"Only the federally subsidized Amtrak prohibits law-abiding American citizens from exercising their Second Amendment rights in checked baggage," he said.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, was opposed to the measure.

"In order to receive any federal funding under this amendment, Amtrak would have six months to build a process for checking and tracking firearms," she said.

"It would have to find the manpower necessary to screen and guard firearms, and it would have to purchase the equipment necessary. Now, there is nothing in the underlying appropriations to pay for any of that. So this amendment is going to put a severe burden on them, and if they do not comply, Amtrak will shut down."

The measure lays out the following guidelines:

• Before checking the bag or boarding the train, the passenger must declare that the firearm or pistol is in his or her bag and is unloaded.

• The firearm or pistol must be carried in a hard-sided container.

• The hard-sided container must be locked, and only the passenger has the combination or key.

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Yellowfin
September 16, 2009, 06:01 PM
Do you think it'll pass the House?

TexasRifleman
September 16, 2009, 06:06 PM
"It would have to find the manpower necessary to screen and guard firearms, and it would have to purchase the equipment necessary.

Huh? They don't screen baggage already?

And guard the firearms? How about just locking the door to the baggage area genius....

She must be afraid all those bad guns will try to take over the train or something.

Mr_Rogers
September 16, 2009, 06:13 PM
Why the heck not just allow personal carry? I really don't think anyone is going to hijack an Amtrak train and crash it into the Capital. The rules, as we know, will not stop criminals.

damien
September 16, 2009, 07:04 PM
"under restrictions similar to those imposed on airlines."

:barf:

Colonel
September 16, 2009, 10:17 PM
Anybody who has ever traveled AMTRAK knows that it is a vast, unregulated river of commerce.

Bags everywhere, on and off, unattended bags, short runs, Florida-to-Maine runs, kids going to school runs and everything except livestock and livery mixed in with the mess.

To say that "suddenly they are going to ALLOW" something that has gone on all along without restriction or comment is something of a joke.

Whether or not legally-owned firearms are "allowed" aboard or not, AMTRAK is – and will remain – one of the biggest smuggling pipelines on the East Coast.

Saying that suddenly AMTRAK is going to "allow" firearms to be carried in luggage is approximately akin to TSA suddenly announcing that they will "allow" the interstate transportation of firearms in vehicles.

<SNORE>

larry_minn
September 17, 2009, 12:33 AM
Make it real simple/easy. You can bring your your firearm on train. You declare it unloaded/in locked case and YOU carry it to train where they have a secure area where it gets locked up. When you get to stop you hand receipt/they unlock/hand it back. Cost would be next to nothing.

akodo
September 17, 2009, 03:25 AM
"Under current practices, all of the American domestic airlines permit firearms in their checked luggage. Other American passenger railroads also allow checked firearms," Wicker said on the Senate floor.

what other passenger rail lines allow firearms?

everallm
September 17, 2009, 06:59 AM
Actually Colonel, wakey-wakey, it is a big difference,

The TSA has nothing to do with the airlines carrying personal firearms, they are simply the latest in the "look in the box" agency. The airlines were already required to permit personal travelers firearms.

Amtrak however was in effect exempted for no good reason and was excluded form the FOPA rulings as well.

This is a substantial change in the law even if by CUSTOM, people may have ignored the law previously.

It is a further example of the incremental roll back of anti RKBA and as such is a positive item,

If you don't see that this is a good thing then feel free to return to yiur doze.

Colonel
September 17, 2009, 12:44 PM
OK, fine. Another big win. Rah f$cking rah.

cbrgator
September 17, 2009, 12:51 PM
OK, fine. Another big win. Rah f$cking rah.
Better than a loss.

everallm
September 17, 2009, 02:32 PM
Poor Colonel, woke up on the wrong side of his bed

ozwyn
September 17, 2009, 02:42 PM
Well... it may be considered a pointless victory, or a silly, unecessary one...

but I'll take a win for the 2nd any day :neener:

NMGonzo
September 17, 2009, 11:51 PM
Concealed means concealed.

reidry
September 19, 2009, 10:25 PM
I'll take the win for the 2nd. Until we have nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry and very few prohibited areas, we need to keep the pressure on.

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