Where's the trash can?


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PT1911
September 17, 2009, 03:12 AM
SO, everyone has seen and likely commented on the posts asking about the best ammunition, the best gun designs and the ammunition that is likely to just fade away... (cough 45 GAP cough)....

So, I was wondering what is the most outdated and unnecessary firearm design?

To go a step farther, what design could the world have gone without?

In all fairness, I have no idea. There are so many models out there that I wouldnt know where to start..

So, what do you guys/gals think?

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Snowdog
September 17, 2009, 03:19 AM
Outdated? Well, in an age of Keltec P32s/P3ATs, Ruger LCPs, NAAs and aluminum/scandium/whatever-framed snubnose revolvers from various makes, I don't personally have much use for a derringer, though I'm sure others might. It's a personal preference is all.

doc2rn
September 17, 2009, 03:22 AM
Mossin Nagant, Nambu, Jennings, Davis, High Point, and anything that ends in Foooooortaaaaaaay.

PT1911
September 17, 2009, 03:23 AM
Actually derringer would have to go at the top of my list too... there are just so many better options available out there nowadays... I agree 100%.... though I know they have their fans.. which I am sure will chime in eventually. They are too heavy for their size, capacity is too low, trigger is terrible, accuracy is terrible, and it takes two hands to cock the thing.

c919
September 17, 2009, 03:46 AM
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/pengun22lrbyqsmfgl.jpg

Pretty friggin' silly in my book, but I guess it's cool novelty if you have run out of other guns to buy....... Which I don't see on my personal horizon.

THE DARK KNIGHT
September 17, 2009, 04:16 AM
The Chauchat?

chiggerbyt
September 17, 2009, 04:38 AM
A 410 revolver. But I'll let others be the judge of that. JMHO


Edit to add:
The "Polychoke,Truchoke,&Lyman choke" systems. Although they worked well they have been replaced completely by internal, interchangeable screw in choke styles giving the barrel a normal appearance.
The "boss" or similar systems of variable harmonic vibration control for barrel accuracy seems to be going the way of the Dodo.
Throw in those neat old peep sights on .22's and most high power rifles used for casual shooting or hunting use also.

Bruno2
September 17, 2009, 04:59 AM
anything chambered in 25 ACP

DeepSouth
September 17, 2009, 05:27 AM
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/e/ea/Nagant-1895.jpg/400px-Nagant-1895.jpg

content
September 17, 2009, 08:08 AM
Hello friends and neighbors // +1 for derringer

I looked around at options ( light weight J-frames ) and sold my single shot .45/.410 Lienad to help fund purchase.
Not usless,(It was ample protection for he price) but with only one shot, basic safety, and about as heavy as sp101, I needed an upgrade.

9mm+
September 17, 2009, 09:07 AM
Not sure I would throw the derringer in the junk heap...those 22 magnum ones are Da Bomb! ;) Ok, just kidding, just kidding...

griz
September 17, 2009, 09:10 AM
Those single action revolvers are pretty old fashioned, you have to cock them for every shot you know. Send them to me and I'll get rid of them for ya.

mcdonl
September 17, 2009, 09:21 AM
1911's, anything gun over $500, AR's and anything larger then a 30.06

Just One Shot
September 17, 2009, 09:26 AM
1911's, anything gun over $500, AR's and anything larger then a 30.06
:what:

:scrutiny:

:banghead:

:D

Snowdog
September 17, 2009, 09:36 AM
1911's, anything gun over $500, AR's and anything larger then a 30.06

Rabble rouser!
Rabble rouser!

:D

mcdonl
September 17, 2009, 10:11 AM
It sounds stupid to lump so many guns into a trash category for no reason other then I do not own them or like them now that I have read it. I apologize.

For the record... I do own an AR, and I am saving for a 1911, but I love my Hi-Points, Keltecs, Nagant revolver and other valued guns.

Legionnaire
September 17, 2009, 10:17 AM
Not "outdated," but certainly "unnecessary" are the big, Barrett-looking muzzle breaks on 12 gauge shotguns. Silly if you ask me. And +1 on the derringer.

esq_stu
September 17, 2009, 10:19 AM
The CZ75 and its clones are great pistols. And they're still being copied.

But I think their trigger mechanisms and generally heavy weights make them dinosaurs not unlike the 1911s. Would I rely on either to save my life? Sure (in the case of a 1911 - with the sometimes necessary tweaks). Would I buy one? Not at today's prices (well, maybe a basic SA Milspec or a basic original CZ75).

The CZ75 just doesn't excite me the way it did 10 years ago.

eight433
September 17, 2009, 10:31 AM
to say the mosin nagant is unnecessary design or something that the world could have gone without is, in my opinion, a rather ignorant statement.

The Nagant revolver, though I have one and really like it, IS rather silly and I do not see where the world would be significantly different if it (or its specialized round) were not invented.

9mm+
September 17, 2009, 10:33 AM
Not "outdated," but certainly "unnecessary" are the big, Barrett-looking muzzle breaks on 12 gauge shotguns

Oh, c'mon...surely, everyone would want to experience the great sound from that Mossberg Road Blocker! ;) Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

mcdonl
September 17, 2009, 10:34 AM
Pretty friggin' silly in my book, but I guess it's cool novelty if you have run out of other guns to buy....... Which I don't see on my personal horizon.

It would REALY suck to have that pen explode in your pocket.

jerkface11
September 17, 2009, 12:31 PM
Colt2000

texas bulldog
September 17, 2009, 01:01 PM
i'll agree that derringers are outdated, but i wouldn't agree that they were unnecessary at the time. they were really the only thing that some folks (especially women) could effectively conceal back in the day.

but today there are just so many superior options that are just as small and lighter with higher capacity.

ants
September 17, 2009, 01:02 PM
As internet sales get bigger and provide strong competition to the gun shop, perhaps the next thing in the trash is the village idiot at the gun counter. Salesmen at the counter will have to know their stuff or die. Good salesmen will survive.

I don't believe gun shops will disappear, we'll always need them. But the days are numbered for hiring idiots to man the counter.

eye5600
September 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
The market weeds out guns with no demand. It's hard to find a full-size pistol in .32, though 75 years ago that not uncommon.

streakr
September 17, 2009, 02:20 PM
If it's safe to shoot and you buy or make the ammo, it need never go into the trash.

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googol
September 17, 2009, 06:00 PM
The Mosin-Nagant killed more Germans than George Patton, the B-17, and bad sauerkraut combined. I'd say it was a fairly necessary design for its time.

MAURICE
September 17, 2009, 06:07 PM
This is where I admit my fondness for derringers.
I had a .22mag derringer (sold it to a bud) that was just plain fun to shoot. I also won twenty bucks once by putting both rounds on paper at 100 yards. I couldn't believe the first shot made it and had to pick my jaw up off the floor after the second. Once I had the elevation right it was not too hard. Thats on paper, not in the ten ring, mind you. ;)

Are they practical? No, not anymore they aren't. I wouldn't object to having that one back, though.

Nice troll, mcdonl. I like your style. :D

DMK
September 17, 2009, 06:08 PM
Walther PP, PPK and various clones. They had their day, but now it's too large to pocket carry and if you are going to carry one on your belt either IWB or OWB, you can carry something of similar size and weight in a larger caliber and higher capacity.

I own two Walther PPs (one in 32ACP and one in 22LR), as well as a CZ-70 and a beautiful East German Makarov. Fun range guns and nice shooters, all. However, they are very low on my CCW and SD list. I'd much rather carry my Colt CCO, Ruger SP101, S&W 642 or CZ40 before one of these.

FROGO207
September 18, 2009, 12:25 AM
Locerin comes to mind, unless you need a pistol that falls apart for cleaning after every couple rounds.:what::D Mine did NIB.:cuss::cuss:

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