Honestly are wolf primers any good?


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Hans1944
September 17, 2009, 05:51 PM
we all know the current situation with primers but i am starting to see more and more wolf primers out there in stock and i have a decent feeling that there is a reasoning behind it. Are they crap? whats the story.

Hans

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counterclockwise
September 17, 2009, 06:16 PM
If "any good" includes available when you need them, recommended by David Tubb, and shoots OK, I'd say they were good.

uf-engineer
September 17, 2009, 06:26 PM
I've been have a problem seating them. Federal Primers seem to be easier to seat.

otblue
September 17, 2009, 06:34 PM
I understand that PMC and Wolf are the same primers produced in Russia in a modern factory built with assistance from one of the large reputable West European ammunition giants.
I have used about 10K of the SP in a progressive press. Seat easily and not a single problem in lighting up a load.
Currently evaluating a new Steyr in 22-250. Still playing with loads, seating depth etc and my last trial was different primers. In early tests the PMC LRM beat out CCI BR2 and Fed 210M for accuracy. Seating pressure and depth is very consistent.
Trialed them because of positive reports on 6mmBR.com.
Damn it, hate supporting the Russian economy.

D. Manley
September 17, 2009, 06:38 PM
If you're intended use is in stock guns, I'd say they're fine. There can be ignition issues in guns running lightened, tuned, trigger setups (including, my guns) and some people find them a little harder to seat. I personally experienced no particular issues with seating but they do take a bit more "whap" to light than Federal or Winchester...as I said, a "non-issue" in stock guns.

Nate1778
September 17, 2009, 07:11 PM
I have been using them and gone though a thousand of them in my G19 and GP100 and all have gone bang but 2. They are target loads though and other than that they have preformed very well. I have noticed they do feed well in my equipment.

Canuck-IL
September 17, 2009, 08:08 PM
Complaints on the NM forum about SR - way too soft. Excellent reviews on SRM and so far, only a guess that the new 223 will also be fine. LRM also excellent.

BEnos forum has had a few threads re the newer lot of SP - hard to ignite with lightened springs - but those guys tend to *really* lighten them.
/Bryan

democrat
September 17, 2009, 08:29 PM
I've never had a Wolf primer (or round of Wolf ammo) in any flavor fail to fire.

possum
September 17, 2009, 09:13 PM
i ordered 5,000 wolf small pistol primers, i have loaded and shot 4,300 of those without a single issue, they were at a great price and if i can get them again i will.

USSR
September 17, 2009, 11:53 PM
The current Wolf primers are some of the best primers available. The Russian factory that produces them started out packaging them with simply the factory designation on the boxes (KVB-7 for LR primers), and they were initially imported into this country and sold by a man in Arizona. Then, the Russian factory produced them under the PMC brand. Finally, a couple years ago, they started producing them under the Wolf brand. David Tubbs thought so highly of these primers, that he bought 700,000 of them. I still have about 3500 of them saved for competition loads. They produce very low ES and SD numbers.

Don

ants
September 18, 2009, 12:51 AM
Yes.




If you have a miocrometer (not caliper) you will find that they are .001 to .002 inch larger than Win. That's why they feel tight. If you have brass that has been shot a lot, and the primer pocket is starting to get a little larger, Wolf will still seat very snuggly. For an old brass rat like me, that's important.

Never had a misfire. Going on 10,000 fired in the last 12 months.

Shrinkmd
September 18, 2009, 08:37 AM
Definitely harder to seat the first time around, although I was reloading some which I previously shot (both with Wolf or Federal) in Large Pistol and they went in a bit easier. I guess they fit better once the primer pocket has been primed and reprimed a few times.

My question is, once you use Wolf primers, can you reload the brass with other brands, or will they be too loose? I have some nice Starline 45 auto rim cases which I don't plan on sticking any Wolf primers in for precisely that reason.

But as far as working well, they seem to go bang every time. No chrony for me yet, so I can't comment on the numbers.

rogn
September 18, 2009, 08:39 AM
Only experience is with small diameter lighter firing pin strikes on LRM= 30% misfires(Browning, Savage)----Rem700=100% with really excellent accuracy.

otblue
September 18, 2009, 10:26 AM
According to one of the resident experts on 6mmBR, the difference between the standard small and large rifle primers and the magnum versions is the hardness of the cup rather than the primer composition itself. Would explain some of the problems reported above.
Just need to match the primer cup hardness to the firearm.

raz-0
September 18, 2009, 11:52 AM
The latest batch of SPP from wolf seem to have issues. The old SPP were brass colored, the new ones are silver. Lots of people reporting problems with them. The old brass colored ones seemed to be really nice.

The new copper colored SRP seem to be ok, and seem to work in pistols with less troubles than the SPP.

Deavis
September 18, 2009, 01:14 PM
Magtech and Wolf are one of the few primers that I've seen coming in regularly. They all go bang and to me, the Wolf feel a little more CCI like and the Magtech like Winchester while seating. Fired them through a number of stock guns and some with lightened triggers. Not a FTF in thousands of rounds. Anyone having FTF probably has a gun issue or loading issue.

The brass is far harder and more rigid than the primer, you won't hurt the brass by putting in a Wolf primer. Anyone who has crushed primers in a pocket knows that already. You'd have to do something, no offense, very stupid to ruin your brass seating a tight primer. S&B is a great example, they stay tight until you swage them, no matter what primer you shove in there.

jjohnson
September 18, 2009, 01:58 PM
I've gone through maybe 15,000 Wolf and 5000 Magtech primers in the last couple years, and no problems of any kind with any of them. They pop when they're stuck, and I haven't experienced any seating problems, either. Those are two of my "suitability" criteria. My #1 criteria is "in stock." :scrutiny:

raz-0
September 18, 2009, 02:12 PM
I've gone through a bunch of wolf primers too. The problem is they were purchased a more than a year ago.

The current batch just arriving (i.e. the last big shipment that has recently ended the wolf primer dry spell), they have changed the primers. And at least the spp are having issues in guns that set off old wolf spp and winchester spp. To a much lesser extent with guns that were happy setting off CCI spp.

Which is a shame, because the wolf spp were really quite good before that. Used plenty myself and wish I had more of them.

brass colored spp from wolf = good. silver colored spp form wolf = kind of sketchy and definitely keep them away from revolvers with any kind of significant trigger work done to them.

putteral
September 18, 2009, 05:28 PM
I just recently got a new shipment of wolf from PV and have not had any issues with them. They all go bang for me. New shippment or Old. Both small pistol and large pistol.

ants
September 18, 2009, 05:48 PM
Otblue was told by 6mmBR: "difference between the standard small and large rifle primers and the magnum versions is the hardness of the cup rather than the primer composition itself"From the CCI website under Education:
Magnum Primers
Most components primer manufacturers, including CCIŽ to reloaders offer Magnum primers. Under certain conditions, reloaders need a more powerful primer than standard primers. It's much like buying a new car and deciding whether to get the standard four-cylinder engine or a more powerful V-6.

When we develop load data, we consider these conditions as indicating use of Magnum primers:

With ball or spherical powders (some exceptions exist)
With large-volume cartridge cases
If the cartridge is likely to be fired in cold conditions (under 20° F)

Magnum primers are engineered to produce a hotter flame of longer duration to meet the needs of the above conditions. However, these characteristics often require a charge weight reduction to keep pressure under control. For this reason, use Magnum primers only where recommended in published loading data.

Our research indicates that some propellant/cartridge combinations do not require Magnum primers at the maximum load level, but can at the start load level for reliable ignition. When we find this, we use Magnum primers for all loads with that propellant.

Gadzooks Mike
September 18, 2009, 09:21 PM
Honestly are wolf primers any good?

At this point in time, who cares? I'd use a leprechaun with a steel and flint if it would work! :)

billybob44
September 18, 2009, 10:45 PM
At this point in time, who cares? I'd use a leprechaun with a steel and flint if it would work! :)
Great stuff, Mike. And OH how so true!!!!!!!!!!

Nate1778
September 18, 2009, 11:57 PM
I just had 11 FTF's in 200 9mm rounds today. Before you go running to the hills, the primer was not seated in all of them, really at all, hardly the primers fault. It may be what caused my previous FTF's as well, but I no longer have the rounds to figure it out. I do know I need to get used to this new press.............:banghead:

otblue
September 19, 2009, 06:17 AM
Ants, I know and fully understand the difference between standard and magnum primers in the context of US primers and for that matter most of the rest of the world. But these are Russian primers and according to "German Salazar" on 6mmBR the difference between standard and magnum in the Wolf/PMC primers is the cup hardness not the primer composition. I'm not sure how to add a link but go to 6mmBR.com and enter "Russian Primers" into the search engine in the reloading section and discussion will come up. There is a lot of discussion regarding these primers on that board. This guy (posts under "GermanS1" ) also has an informative website of his own that you are probably familiar with because of the photographs of primer flashes circulating on the web. "Riflemansjournal.blogspot.com". The primer tests are in the June 09 section. I am wary about web board "experts" but this guy seems the real deal.
I'm using the old copper colored PMC labelled LRM in a 22-250 and am very happy with them to date.

Shrinkmd
October 11, 2009, 01:36 PM
I've been loading Wolf Large Pistol primers, and unless I'm doing something weird or wrong, my loads seem "hotter" than they should be. For example, I made up some 45acp 230 LRN at 4.7 gr Bullseye, and they seemed too much. 4.6 was better, and 4.4 was a milder load.

I thought that you could safely go up to 5 gr Bullseye with 230 LRN. Obviously I need a chronograph, but until then, have other people noticed that Wolf primers require you to lower your loads a bit?

Redneck with a 40
October 11, 2009, 01:43 PM
I've loaded a few thousand 40 S&W rounds with Wolf SP primers, no issues. I've loaded about 300 .223 rounds with Wolf SRM primers, again, no issues. I'll continue to use'em, I'm happy with'em.:)

Uncle Chan
October 11, 2009, 01:47 PM
I've loaded several thousand 223 with Wolf SRM primers. No issues except that they can be hard to seat. I'm happy with them and even happier with the price.

lgbloader
October 11, 2009, 02:04 PM
I have assembled ammo with Wolf primers and have had no problems with mis or hang fires. I have never really had any problems with seating them either. I have more in stock and will use them again.

LGB

bluetopper
October 11, 2009, 02:29 PM
I like em. If you are leary or don't want to use them, don't.

mrcooper
October 11, 2009, 02:39 PM
American primer Co. created a shortage, so I will always buy foreign when I can.

Soonerhawk
October 11, 2009, 07:23 PM
I've used about 50000 of these primers and have had great success. I used the Federal small rilfe primers in the past and have found the Wolf standard small rifle primers to be very comparable. I have a reduced trigger pull and the Wolf small rilfe primer is the only one I've found that will work the same as the Federals have in the past.

RustyFN
October 11, 2009, 08:34 PM
They seem to seat the same as Winchester primers to me. My friends and I have shot thousands of them without any problems.

Historian
October 12, 2009, 11:37 AM
Wolf primers are just fine IF YOU SEAT THEM PROPERLY. I use an RCBS Universal priming tool for seating SP primers in .40 S&W cases. If you want a good work out, this will increase your forearm strength by 10%. I seated 200 Wolf primers last week and shot them all at the range over the weekend. Didn't have one single failure. The trick is making sure that they are completely seated in the primer pocket. This requires some extra effort on the handle of the priming tool. Seat them deep enough and they will work every time.

Historian

Noveldoc
November 10, 2009, 11:50 PM
Loaded Wolf LRs and LPs with no problems. Just takes a bit of an extra scrunch.

I am loading for a Garand and 45 auto though where the rounds get slammed around by an auto action. Like the extra security of the Wolf tight fit myself.

Tom

madd0c
November 11, 2009, 12:11 AM
As noted in my other posts, I am new to reloading, but I have loaded up several hundred .308 rounds with Wolf primers, very snug fit with a hand primer, but all have gone bang. No complaints from my limited experience.

orionengnr
November 11, 2009, 12:14 AM
Just bought my first thousand (large pistol).
Loaded all and fired most of them. No problems so far...

EddieNFL
November 11, 2009, 09:25 AM
They produce very low ES and SD numbers.

Better than BRs and 205 match in my .223 loads.

vernosr1
November 12, 2009, 04:52 PM
2 experiences to report
-Wolf Small Rifle Magnums used for 5.56 and 223 loads have yielded me 100% success and the target accuracy at 50 and 100 yards has been within my capabilities to detect a large change over other primers

-Large pistol primers used in 45ACP reloads have been OK for accuracy but "no fires" have been consistently running at about a 2-3 % failure rates. Even single shotting the "no fires" only gets 50% of them to work.

-CCI and Magtech have been perfect in both above said applications.

mgkdrgn
November 12, 2009, 06:36 PM
I'm working through 5K of the small pistol primers now. Everything goes "bang" so far! They -are- a little harder to seat ... but given the alternative of -nothing- to seat ....

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