Workplace stupidity!


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1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 09:13 PM
at work today, my HR department called me into their office. so in i go and there's an older guy there that introduces himself as a company security man.

at my work, you have internet access and can access any site that is not block by the company's firewall. i choose to frequent this forum, along with other gun forums. my company allows internet surfing when it's slow. (obviously it can't interfere with your work)

this security guy starts asking me questions like "do you like this job", and advised me that in monitoring my internet surfing (which i knew they did), they found it "disturbing" that i choose to frequent sites like this one.

they said it makes people nervous, and requested that i avoid all gun sites in the future while at work. i said, sure no prob, even though i find it offensive that they would insinuate that i might come in shoot up the place just because i choose recreational target shooting as my hobby, and like to frequent gun forums.

has anyone else encountered this type of stupidity at work?

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Bruno2
September 17, 2009, 09:20 PM
That was pretty stupid . I find certain websites offensive too , but , if its not pornography or something completely underground why would I care at all ?

There are way too many people getting into other peoples business anymore . I guess this is necessary b/c that is how they catch terrorists before they do something crazy .

sjohn26
September 17, 2009, 09:23 PM
Are you paid to surf the web???Does the company pay for the 'Net access? Their time--their rules........................suggest you lie low awhile..............

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 09:39 PM
That was pretty stupid . I find certain websites offensive too , but , if its not pornography or something completely underground why would I care at all ?

There are way too many people getting into other peoples business anymore . I guess this is necessary b/c that is how they catch terrorists before they do something crazy .
yeah it also seems as though people are way too sensitive these days-to the point of stupidassery lol

weisse52
September 17, 2009, 09:41 PM
There are way too many people getting into other peoples business anymore

If he is on a company computer during company time then from a company point of view it is the companies business.

at my work, you have internet access and can access any site that is not block by the company website.
Do they do this by blocking site, or by attempting to block content?

I am suprised that if they did not they chose you to single out. I would surmise that "someone" was "offended" and reported and that got the ball rolling for them to monitor.

Never an easy answer when you surf at work. I agree I would stay off at work to prevent them from really coming down on you.

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 09:42 PM
Are you paid to surf the web???Does the company pay for the 'Net access? Their time--their rules........................suggest you lie low awhile..............
yeah, it's their internet. obviously i would abide by their rules. and we can surf the net when it's slow.

but others are allowed to explore sites with their particular interest, why not me ?

bigfatdave
September 17, 2009, 09:45 PM
at my work, you have internet access and can access any site that is not block by the company website.If they don't want you surfing THR, they can just block it, and be entirely within their rights to do so.
Why do they have a web filter, if they're going to complain about what sites someone visits? Sounds pretty asinine to me.

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 09:49 PM
Why do they have a web filter, if they're going to complain about what sites someone visits? Sounds pretty asinine to me.
my thoughts exactly. they are a bunch of dumbasses.

Hiaboo
September 17, 2009, 09:51 PM
I had this happen to me, although looking back it was a stupid thing to say but I basically said, "Yeah so? I find it disturbing that people go to MSM websites as well" and walked out..

I heard nothing further and that was about a year ago.

I don't know what your workplace is like, but I'd just lay it low, don't frequent so much, or use proxies if its not against policy.

Old Fuff
September 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
Do you stay at the workplace or go out? If you can leave for lunch or breaks maybe you should look into one of these new, small and (relatively) inexpensive computers called "netbooks." They are rigged for wireless and intended to be used for surfing the Internet. I don't see where they can have much to say if you're using your own computer, on your own time, and not using a company connection. Otherwise I would stay away from gun-related sites, and hard as it might be - start looking into the possibilities of another job.

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 09:55 PM
Do you stay at the workplace or go out? If you can leave for lunch or breaks maybe you should look into one of these new, small and (relatively) inexpensive computers called "netbooks." They are rigged for wireless and intended to be used for surfing the Internet. I don't see where they can have much to say if you're using your own computer, on your own time, and not using a company connection. Otherwise I would stay away from gun-related sites, and hard as it might be - start looking into the possibilities of another job.
yep, they really pissed me off today, i am job hunting right now online (at home lol)

kingpin008
September 17, 2009, 09:55 PM
my thoughts exactly. they are a bunch of dumbasses.

If they know you visit THR, chances are they've noted your user name here. If they haven't, a simple search of your computer's history will easily turn it up.

That being said, I'd watch what you say here regarding them if I were you. Whether you agree with their stance on firearms or not, calling your employers "dumbasses" on a site that they know you frequent isn't exactly the most intelligent thing to do.

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 10:01 PM
If they know you visit THR, chances are they've noted your user name here. If they haven't, a simple search of your computer's history will easily turn it up.

That being said, I'd watch what you say here regarding them if I were you. Whether you agree with their stance on firearms or not, calling your employers "dumbasses" on a site that they know you frequent isn't exactly the most intelligent thing to do.
lol no, they're not allowed monitor my net surfing that's not done at work.

kingpin008
September 17, 2009, 10:04 PM
I understand that. However, people have been fired for things they've said online, even from their home computers. Just because you're not on the clock calling them dumbasses doesn't mean that they can't find a way to fire you because of it.

amd6547
September 17, 2009, 10:05 PM
I have a similar problem. I am on the road for my employer, and my job requires use of a company supplied laptop. There is a lot of downtime, so, naturally, I surf the net.
Recently, they have installed "openDNS" web filter. It blocks me from the more general sites like THR and gunboards, yet AK forum and UZItalk, no problem.

1911 Operator
September 17, 2009, 10:05 PM
I understand that. However, people have been fired for things they've said online, even from their home computers. Just because you're not on the clock calling them dumbasses doesn't mean that they can't find a way to fire you because of it.
well, as i hate working there anyway, being fired would allow me more time to find a job in my field (have a bachelors). :D

CB900F
September 17, 2009, 10:07 PM
1911Operator;

I wholeheartedly agree with Hiaboo. Of course, his reaction may not be practical in your case. But myself, I'd have likely said something like: "The fact that you're self-admittedly 'disturbed', upsets me". Then, depending on the reaction that got, I might have either engaged in debate, or walked out.

I do understand that given the practicalities of the situation, your reaction may have been best for you. But what about writing a formal letter of protest to the ethics supervisor? (Or whatever they're calling the position in your company.) Claim egregarious discrimination. They can filter whatever they want. You didn't go around their filter, yet you're called in & made to feel that you've gone outside the boundries of ethical corporate behaviour. Ask if you need legal representation.

900F

3pairs12
September 17, 2009, 10:09 PM
Doesn't seem like allowed is in their vocab. Although I doubt they are keeping tabs on you off the clock. I wouldn't take to much comfort in what they say is and isn't allowed. You were allowed to surf the intraweb machine and go to whatever sites you chose as long is it wasn't blocked.

NMGonzo
September 17, 2009, 10:40 PM
OP

It is not the "blocking" itself but it is the spirit in which is done.

When SHTF, most people will count on my department at the company
... yeah ...
the guys with the guns looking at guns at every idle moment.

The side of the shop that stand up and shakes hands with anyone that open carries.

HKUSP45C
September 17, 2009, 10:57 PM
Doesn't seem like allowed is in their vocab. Although I doubt they are keeping tabs on you off the clock. I wouldn't take to much comfort in what they say is and isn't allowed. You were allowed to surf the intraweb machine and go to whatever sites you chose as long is it wasn't blocked.

Actually his company probably has an extremely explicit "Internet Usage Policy" written very clearly in the company handbook. It probably states something along the lines of "use of company computers to access non-work related sites for personal business or entertainment is strictly prohibited."

The fact that they are choosing to enforce it sporadically is not the issue. The real issue is: He's on their time, on their property, using their equipment, to access their leased communication lines to the internet and they dislike (for whatever reason) the content he is accessing.

As far as "right and wrong" are concerned they have every right to tell him what he can and can't do.

Conversely he has every right to quit in disgust and go find a more tolerant, or even more consistent, employer.

Employers have a fine line to walk when it comes to blocking sites. Appliances like NetSense and even software packages that block sites and/or content are only as good as the ACLs they are given. They don't learn very well that TheHighRoad.Org is a nice place to visit and chat about guns where as Stormfront.Com is not. So, Employers usually pick the lowest common denominator and block the sites they KNOW they don't want people to visit and rely on the "Internet Usage Policy" to enforce the "administrative blocking" of sites not in the ACLs the hardware/software don't catch.

Let's not forget this boils down to a liability issue for the employer AND they have every right to cover thier own butts, in just about any way they see fit.

DoubleTapDrew
September 17, 2009, 10:58 PM
this security guy starts asking me questions like "do you like this job", and advised me that in monitoring my internet surfing (which i knew they did), they found it "disturbing" that i choose to frequent sites like this one.

Maybe they were just making sure you weren't a disgruntled individual. If they really had a problem with it they'd close the firewall to weapon related sites.
If you are going to stay there, lay low for a while...or make friends with the IT guy, a lot of us are shooters :)

Lone_Sheep_Dog
September 17, 2009, 11:02 PM
I had a similar experience. I am a quiet person. There are 2 different managers who made comments like "I don't want to piss you off." I guess they think the quiet guys are more likely to shoot up a workplace. I was pretty offended at these comments.

Double Naught Spy
September 17, 2009, 11:04 PM
Very good HKUSPC

they said it makes people nervous, and requested that i avoid all gun sites in the future while at work. i said, sure no prob, even though i find it offensive that they would insinuate that i might come in shoot up the place just because i choose recreational target shooting as my hobby, and like to frequent gun forums.

has anyone else encountered this type of stupidity at work?

Yep, pretty stupid that they let you surf on their dime.

Erik M
September 17, 2009, 11:06 PM
I cant think of comment that is politically charged or offensive so I will just say that its unfortunate that your employer has that type of view.

mustang_steve
September 17, 2009, 11:08 PM
Yeah, it sounds like they have Websense installed. Your bosses (and certain others) can see your web traffic on websense, so someone upstream of you probably was monitoring web traffic (maybe yours is higher, or at oddball times?) and spotted the site, wigged out and complained to HR.

If they really had a problem with it, I'm pretty sure Websense has a user-definable blacklist they can just throw the sites they objected to in. This makes me think it was an upstream wig-out as opposed to IT just randomly monitoring usage.

Sounds normal for a large corporation. The policies at them drive me insane at times.

Buddy Rabbit
September 17, 2009, 11:45 PM
Please.
It's their private network. You have no expectation of privacy, and it is explicitly stated every time you log in . . . .

If you don't like it, there's about a thousand guys that would be just fine with it.
Guys that have been "downsized", yet still want to feed their family.

THE DARK KNIGHT
September 18, 2009, 02:47 AM
lol no, they're not allowed monitor my net surfing that's not done at work.

Actually, they can. Many companies do.

Plenty of people have been fired because their boss wound up seeing a picture of them on myspace/facebook/flikr/blogs/youtube/etc. doing something stupid.

RDak
September 18, 2009, 04:27 AM
All gun sites were filtered out where I worked. Now that I'm retired, I can go to gun sites whenever I want!!

Knotthead
September 18, 2009, 05:47 AM
As much as I would resent having my personal interests targeted for objection, it is their house, their rules. Perhaps you should dedicate your at work surfing towards another goal, such as additional education or training for a better job.

scythefwd
September 18, 2009, 06:42 AM
lol no, they're not allowed monitor my net surfing that's not done at work.

They don't have to. They know you visit this site. You might have logged in from work?? That is all I need from my filter to know your online persona. All I have to do is go over to the website later and see if you are being a poor representative of the company, or committing slander / liable. People have been fired for calling their bosses names on facebook. Depending on the laws of that state, it is perfectly legal (like it is here in VA).

bigfatdave
September 18, 2009, 06:48 AM
kingpin008 and scythefwd have a valid point. If you've annoyed someone to the point of checking your 'net activity, that same person is probably looking for a reason to terminate your employment.
I still think that if they have a web filter and don't like a particular site, they should just block it without making a big deal about it ... unless the point was to make a big deal about something, and your THR activity was just an easy target (NPI).

You may want to figure out who is looking for mud to fling and either figure out how you annoyed them and make it right, or do some serious job-hunting before they find a reason to can you.
Of course, if you do get canned over something this silly, a wrongful termination suit could be lucrative.

The Deer Hunter
September 18, 2009, 08:04 AM
at work today, my HR department called me into their office. so in i go and there's an older guy there that introduces himself as a company security man.

at my work, you have internet access and can access any site that is not block by the company's firewall. i choose to frequent this forum, along with other gun forums. my company allows internet surfing when it's slow. (obviously it can't interfere with your work)

this security guy starts asking me questions like "do you like this job", and advised me that in monitoring my internet surfing (which i knew they did), they found it "disturbing" that i choose to frequent sites like this one.

they said it makes people nervous, and requested that i avoid all gun sites in the future while at work. i said, sure no prob, even though i find it offensive that they would insinuate that i might come in shoot up the place just because i choose recreational target shooting as my hobby, and like to frequent gun forums.

has anyone else encountered this type of stupidity at work?

Look at it from their perspective, lot's of crazy things can happen at work, they are probably just concerned. Now I know that you shouldn't be harassed and that The High Road is a legitimate place where you can talk about a hobby you love, but when you have people who are un-familiar with firearms they get skiddish about this kind of stuff.

I would talk to your Manager and head of security and explain to them about the role firearms play in your life. Explain that this is an online community of firearm enthusiasts who like to talk and further educate each other about firearms.

Maybe they'll understand, or just think you're crazy. But I honestly think it's worth a shot. It should help further the point that you are not going to come into work one day and shoot everyone up.

Either way, I wouldn't visit as often during work, maybe just to check on a thread you made or Private messages or something.

I actually worry about this same thing using my school's computers while on campus. You have to log in with your student user name and etc so they can, in theory, track your internet activity. I have never been approached, about it but I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

chuckusaret
September 18, 2009, 08:40 AM
The fact that they are choosing to enforce it sporadically is not the issue. The real issue is: He's on their time, on their property, using their equipment, to access their leased communication lines to the internet and they dislike (for whatever reason) the content he is accessing.

I would do as they have requested. I would bet the little get together has been well documented by the HR and continued viewing of the "Bad" gun forums during work hours could be grounds for dismissal.

03Shadowbob
September 18, 2009, 09:02 AM
It doesn't matter Chuck. He's going to quit and look for another job which he should easily get because he has his "Bachelor" degree. HAHAHAHA

pbearperry
September 18, 2009, 09:17 AM
I never had a job that allowed me to not work on company time and goof off.Damn,I guess I was born too early?lol

middy
September 18, 2009, 09:22 AM
My boss is the kind of guy that has stuffed game and exotic cartridges displayed in the conference rooms.

I don't foresee a problem. :)

Old Fuff
September 18, 2009, 09:38 AM
I see both sides. These days a lot of companies are trying to cut costs and get greater productivity out of they're employees. In some cases, with sales way down and not likely to get better soon, cost cutting (meaning fewer employees) may be the only way to survive. If they cut out private web surfing they may indeed need less hired help.

But the issue should be ALL private web surfing, not just certain sites. It would seem that 1911 Operator was singled out because he visited a firearms-related site. For purposes of argument only, would they have said anything if he (or others) were visiting a stamp or coin collector's site? The latter two might be more favored by management, but all would have an equal affect on productivity.

It appears that 1911 Operator is not particularly happy with either this job, or the workplace. Therefore he should actively look for something else. If he can find another job depends on his background and qualification, but there is no law against looking.

In the meantime if he wants to surf gun-related sites, it would best be done on his own computer, using his own (probably wireless) connection, on his own time.

I have no idea where 1911 Operator is located, but if it is in a state that issues concealed weapons licenses he might consider getting one, if he hasn't done so already. In the future if push came to shove, having it would show that he wasn't some kind of nut-job.

bigalexe
September 18, 2009, 09:48 AM
To the OP

If it hasn't been mentioned already there is a very popular case right now involving some student or faculty that was shot and killed at Yale. This incident has been classified as workplace violence and many news stations are now on a kick about preventing workplace incidents. I apologize but it appears you are a victim of the "flavor of the week" form of internet censoring at your workplace.

amd6547
September 18, 2009, 09:50 AM
In most cases, it is not a matter of "lost productivity". In the past, the pre internet times, one might have read a book, a magazine, or a newspaper.
In many jobs, there are periods of inactivity. Nowadays, that time can be spent surfing the net.
In my case, I am on site, sitting in a truck. Nothing is happening. I have cleaned my truck, done my paperwork, responded to emails requiring responses, and cleaned my truck. It is 2pm, I have been on site since 5am (started driving at 4:30am to reach site).
I am going to be here untill 4pm. Why shouldn't I surf the net? My work laptop is online in any case.
My alternative is reading, or watching DVD's on my personal laptop (No wireless capability on that, yet.).

rocky branch
September 18, 2009, 09:53 AM
Another real sad sign of our times.
No problem with surfing during slack time-only what you look at.

Guess you'll have to take up porn.
That's prolly acceptable.

amd6547
September 18, 2009, 11:11 AM
We had a bigwig from corporate visit my home base last year. He spent an hour showing us porn he had downloaded on his work-supplied laptop...

MarineOne
September 18, 2009, 11:38 AM
I'm an IT guy, so monitoring internet use and writting usage policies is only part of what I do ....

I see both sides, however if this type of activity isn't expressly forbidden in your company's internet use policy then you should take a copy of it to HR and your ombudsmen, and it should be treated as discrimination and inappropriate enforcement of the policy. If there is no computer/internet use policy or they haven't provided one (or you haven't acknowledged the policy by signing off on reading/being issued one) then this is discrimination.

I had to write a new policy for computer and internet use at my last job because the old one hadn't been updated since 1996 and was horribly out of date being 10 years old. The old policy was barely two pages; mine was 8 when I finished it.


Kris

TimM
September 18, 2009, 01:03 PM
I probably would have explained to them that out of all the gun sites out there this is THR and explain to them what The High Road is. It would more than likely be in vain but I would not let it go without a civil conversation.

BTW... that "Do you like this job?" preface to a question always gets me %$#$$% angry.

natman
September 18, 2009, 01:34 PM
this security guy starts asking me questions like "do you like this job", and advised me that in monitoring my internet surfing (which i knew they did), they found it "disturbing" that i choose to frequent sites like this one.

they said it makes people nervous, and requested that i avoid all gun sites in the future while at work. i said, sure no prob, even though i find it offensive that they would insinuate that i might come in shoot up the place just because i choose recreational target shooting as my hobby, and like to frequent gun forums.


As far as I can tell from this brief, one sided description the issue is NOT personal use of the company internet access per se, but specifically that the OP was looking at gun sites. Finding that "disturbing" is gun bigotry, pure and simple. Unlike other forms of bigotry it is not protected against by law.

You are completely justified in feeling that the underlying assumption that anyone who has an interest in guns is a potential killer offensive. It's based on prejudice rather than rational thought and is completely unfair.

However, if you are expecting to find fairness in a corporate environment, you are looking in the wrong place. Corporations do unfair and stupid things all the time.

Since you've agreed not to look at gun sites at work, don't do it any more. All you can do at this point is to act in a manner that shows just how unjustified their suspicions are.

oneounceload
September 18, 2009, 01:39 PM
The solution is very simple - surf the gun sites on YOUR time from YOUR computer, and use your employer's computers for work-related activities, nothing more. Do NOT give them any ammunition, (pun intended), to use against you. This is currently an employer's marketplace - can you afford to lose your job because of some forum sites?

3pairs12
September 18, 2009, 01:46 PM
Let's not forget this boils down to a liability issue for the employer AND they have every right to cover thier own butts, in just about any way they see fit.


I wasn't really talking about what the employer saw fit and unfit since it is their machine and their time. I was speaking more so of how comfortable some people get talking about employers off the clock thinking that when its time to punch in all will be forgotten or just swept under the rug like it didn't happen. As I said before I highly doubt they are keeping tabs on his internet activity off of the clock, but one should never be so sure.

mljdeckard
September 18, 2009, 01:54 PM
This could be a lot worse. The OP said he would stop, they are leaving him alone, he didn't say they were putting anything in writing.

I was in a lousy graveyard phone sales job a few years ago, on a tem-hire basis, and they failed to hire me. I'm fairly certain it was because I was spending a lot of time on THR at night. They never said so, and there was no policy forbidding it, or even saying a word about it. In not hiring me from temp status, they were not required to provide justification, they could say they thought I was ugly.

If they don't like it, why don't they just block it? Then you WOULD be bound by policy.

I just made a decision not to work in places and for industries that I don't care about and don't match my priorities.

CCWB
September 18, 2009, 02:10 PM
That's why I surf this site from my home puter or my mobile phone. It bites, but their computer and internet, their rules. I don't think anyone ratted on you, I just think the IT guY(s) saw it as a red flag and wanted to give you an isolated curtosey type of warning.

Besides, we all can't like searching the web for pocket dogs, wine, and free money.

I get paranoid if I go to a site at work and it doesn't load right. I ask myself, 'Self, could you get busted for looking at Mickey Thompsons, lift kits, and deer calls?'

Blackbeard
September 18, 2009, 02:49 PM
I've never visited THR from a company computer for just this reason. I have plenty of time to surf THR at home. If I really get the urge at work, though, I can always use my iPhone :-)

akodo
September 18, 2009, 10:51 PM
they said it makes people nervous, and requested that i avoid all gun sites in the future while at work.

I'd say to them:

Fine, your computer, your company, your rules...however, for the record, I find the people who constantly look at celebrity gossip to be disturbing. Their disconnect from reality makes me nervous. I assume you will take the same action with those people as you did with me, correct?

Old Fuff
September 19, 2009, 08:36 AM
Fine, your computer, your company, your rules...however, for the record, I find the people who constantly look at celebrity gossip to be disturbing. Their disconnect from reality makes me nervous. I assume you will take the same action with those people as you did with me, correct?

I suppose I might enjoy doing that... :evil:

But not until I had a new job lined up and certain... :uhoh:

Given the employment situation these days it doesn't pay to rattle chains unless you absolutely don't care. For the time being 1911 Operator should do what he's seems to be doing - find a better job and visit The High Road on other then his company computer. ;)

The Lone Haranguer
September 19, 2009, 09:03 PM
"The High Road" name is not immediately suggestive of a forum related to firearms. Somebody had to be in close proximity looking and studying at what was on your computer. Or someone used the computer and looked at your browsing history.

oneounceload
September 19, 2009, 09:11 PM
My boss is the kind of guy that has stuffed game and exotic cartridges displayed in the conference rooms.

I don't foresee a problem.

Did he hunt that game on his own time or on company time?

If you work FOR someone, then you agree to abide by THEIR rules.....don't like their rules? Feel free to go somewhere else.....

Meesh
September 19, 2009, 09:16 PM
Yeah, this sort of stuff is why I decided to start my own business five years ago. Lack or privacy, arbitrariness over who was and who was not allowed to telecommute, "pointy-headed" bosses, raise freeze after '01 recession never lifted when the economy did ... and just generally hating cube life. I definitely work harder for myself than I did for "the Man" but the rewards are ever so much greater. And, when I get my CCW and my gun (I'm very new to this), I can carry 24/7 if I so choose. I'm the boss, I make the rules.

Meesh

KenWP
September 19, 2009, 11:52 PM
I would have to agree with your company as this site is disturbing. The sight actually allows people to post things like its okay to go around armed waiting for trouble to happen but the sight actually condemds people who post facts that actual real police officers tell people to do. I seen a post today that really disturbed me but could not post on it as a mod had closed it but not for the distirbing part but because people were commenting on how stupid the thread was.
I myself check out the site just to see how far it has sunk and to see if anybody is actually doing something about it.

mokin
September 20, 2009, 12:17 AM
This thread brings to my mind the trend of blurring the line between company time and personal time. It seems to be growing. The boss says "We will allow you X" with the implication that you will repay with Y. I have a business degree and once considered myself a human resources management professoinal. The blurring of the distinction between work and leisure is one of the main reasons I no longer do what I did. This is a deeply emotinal subject for me as I see no good will come of this trend unless you are among a group of very like minded people who all share your "self actualization" goals. My advice is to step away form company resources if you are pursuing personal goals. Get a notebook if you want to surf the web or read a book. Unless you and your fellow workers are of the same mind keep your life and that of your employers and fellow workers seperate.

Old Fuff
September 20, 2009, 07:50 AM
In my opinion, that’s excellent advice, especially if your hobby is firearms and you work for a company that has an urban orientated management or is large enough to have its own human resources department. Unfortunately workplace shooting, while they are rare, have polluted the well.

Of course there are individual exceptions, and I hope 1911 Operator finds one. In this respect I was lucky so there is hope.

Last but not least, if you're fed up and looking, check out states or cities that are known to be gun-friendly. You may make less money, but your life will be much more enjoyable.

sohcgt2
September 20, 2009, 11:36 AM
Seems to me in this economy a smart person might bring a magazine or book to read if he needed to fill downtime. Surfing the web when you're supposed to be working seems like a good way to tell the boss who to layoff next.

Deltaboy
September 20, 2009, 01:11 PM
My work blocks all forum sites. So I visit the THR at home. It is funny thought I can get on the S&W forum because the IT guy is a big S&W nutt. I would avoid the site all together at work and look for another job.

chuckusaret
September 21, 2009, 08:35 AM
I'd say to them:

Fine, your computer, your company, your rules...however, for the record, I find the people who constantly look at celebrity gossip to be disturbing. Their disconnect from reality makes me nervous. I assume you will take the same action with those people as you did with me, correct?

I just can't imagine someone getting PO'd because they were called down for violating company policy and then has the gonads to insinuate that the manager has discriminated against him. The employer pays a person to do a certain job for X number of hours per day and that is what the person should be doing. If the work is slack, that is the time to catch up on the things that are required to do but are put off until, yes, when time is available. I was a manager that reported directly to a vice president for many years and I would have documented my discussion with the employee, for my job protection and the employee’s protection. It would be a very safe bet to say that the individual called on the carpet or the person that made the above quoted statement, for surfing the net has also been reprimanded for violating other company policy. I believe management, at this point, has started the groundwork/justification to terminate the individual and/or eliminate the position. I would recommend that the person should be looking for another job because this one is soon to be short lived.

Old Fuff
September 21, 2009, 08:56 AM
I don't see the issue as being web-surfing on the company's dime, as apparently it is allowed where 1911 Operator works. The issue is the employer's specific objection to firearm sites - which don't come under the heading of pornography except to certain people. It is also a stretch to say that an employee is a security risk simply because they show an interest in firearms.

If employers as a class decide that an employee’s interest in firearms automatically make them a danger – to be gotten rid of as soon as possible – a lot of members and visitors to this and other gun-related forums could be in serious – and unjustified – trouble.

bigfatdave
September 21, 2009, 06:21 PM
The employer pays a person to do a certain job for X number of hours per day and that is what the person should be doing. And a great deal of jobs involve standby time. For instance, at my job I'm as much there for emergency response as day-to-day operation. Not every job requires looking busy all the time.

SharpsDressedMan
September 21, 2009, 07:03 PM
Ask them for a list of "approved" websites to visit, or better yet, a list of ALL the websites that other employees have visited WITHOUT being warned. If you ever get that list, it would be very interesting. If they don't, you might ask what they have to hide...........

Merkelman
September 21, 2009, 08:27 PM
Maybe, just maybe you should just give your employer a fair's day's work and save the personal stuff until your on your own time!

oneounceload
September 21, 2009, 08:56 PM
And a great deal of jobs involve standby time. For instance, at my job I'm as much there for emergency response as day-to-day operation. Not every job requires looking busy all the time.

Then maybe you should be doing something to make you more valuable to your employer, like additional training or education instead of surfing the net

bigfatdave
September 21, 2009, 09:16 PM
oneounceload, HA!
And the moment I finish that, I'll get another $0.00/hour raise, just like I have for all the other extra duties I've taken on beyond my contracted job description.

You seem to have missed the entire point, so I'll clarify ... It is possible to be on the clock and not have any particular duties assigned, beyond being available for emergency response.
If I'm on-call for:
-first aid
-fire brigade
-plant transient/trip
-HAZMAT response
-maintenance support
-confined space rescue

I'll just go ahead and take a break in between:
-equipment operation
-plant tours
-safety tagout/lockout
-minor maintenance
-vibration monitoring
-performance testing
as the opportunity presents itself.

chuckusaret
September 23, 2009, 10:49 AM
God, I must have come from another world. I just can't see why a person that is being paid to do a job for x number of hours per day would be upset over being told to stay off the gun sites or any site. If I were the manager/boss/ supervisor of the individual I would fill out a employee violation of policy slip on the infraction and punishment, if any, have the individual sign it. If the individual again violates policy he would be walked out the door.........I have done it in the past and it has held up in court. There is always something that is job related to do when there is slack time.

macka
September 23, 2009, 11:11 AM
chuck they allowed 1911op complete access. Then he is called on the carpet for surfing? I can see if it was an illegal or pornographic site, but I'd bet someone else in the office is scoping a sicko porn site (not a normal porn site) and they will get away with it. Since the company is cracking down on gun sites, wouldn't it be prudent to add MSN chat,twitter and facebook, as these are monumental bandwidth hogs and can be used to plan events.

mustang_steve
September 23, 2009, 12:54 PM
One of my past jobs was similar to Bigfatdave's. I sat at a desk waiting for something to break in a production line, then fix it and document it. If there was any need for process improvement, log that as well.

this meant I often surfed computer forums (relevant to the job), screwed around on professional social networking sites (not completely relevant, but nobody minds...if it was myspace or facebook, they'd rightfully have issues with it), surfed cigar/pipe and hi-fi forums (totally irrelevant, but fairly inoffensive to others), then the knife forum I go to for multi-tool info (some took offense, but HR determined it was OK when I explained how I use multi-tools on the job, and would like to know when a new tool come out and if it would be better at the task than what I have....helps that I had no prior HR complaints either).

The key is selection in what off-topic activities we pursue in worktime. Some people are just paranoid, fearful creatures...we shouldn't provoke them when possible.

rbernie
September 23, 2009, 12:58 PM
This thread ceased being about gun-specific discrimination/reaction in the workplace long ago, and instead became a debate on appropriate behavior in the workplace.

And so we are done with it.

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