Is this as ridiculous as it sounds?


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BobOfTheFuture
September 18, 2009, 09:06 AM
Ok, so the video game "Call of Duty- Modern Warfare 2" Is soon coming out.

In it, I have heard, they give you the option to suppress shotguns.

I always thought this was not possible, but want to make sure I am right before I make a donkey of myself.

Anyone have any info on this?

Obviously this is just a game, but these games tend to strive for realisim, And, honestly, these types of games introduce more new people to shooting then the NRA can dream of, and in states they consider "lost" like my home state here. (NY)

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mcdonl
September 18, 2009, 09:08 AM
Obviously this is just a game, but these games tend to strive for realisim

That is far less dangerous then the reverse. When people tend to treat real life like a video game.

hso
September 18, 2009, 09:13 AM
these types of games introduce more new people to shooting then the NRA can dream of.

That's an interesting statement. Games no more introduce people to shooting than dime novels, movies or television have. They may pique an interest, but it certainly isn't an "introduction" to shooting.

As to suppressed shotguns, yes, there have been attempts, but, no, they've not been practical or very successful. What you're seeing is another example of misrepresentation of firearms, firearms technology and/or firearms use.

BobOfTheFuture
September 18, 2009, 09:14 AM
Or a television show, or a movie, or a radio program, or what they heard on the telegraph machine or what they read about in a newspaper...


I could keep going till when ogg told grok about how he killed a squirrel during the caveman days.

Don't make this an argument about how wrong games tend to be, please. They are no different then any form of entertainment or media.

rbernie
September 18, 2009, 09:16 AM
There have been several interesting threads on this in the Shotgun forum:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=414810
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=371242

BobOfTheFuture
September 18, 2009, 09:18 AM
Semantics, Mod.

In that vein, then the NRA doesn't introduce anyone to firearms, unless they hold range sessions....

Ah, thanks rbernie! just what I was looking for.

Honestly, didn't search for it because I thought it was too unrealistic of a thought to have been posed as a question.

scndactive
September 18, 2009, 09:54 AM
I seem to remember reading some thing about a guy that made ridiculously long barrels for shotguns (40+ inches) in order to suppress the report down to that of a .22 short.:scrutiny: Supposedly so they could hunt behind rural neighborhoods without disturbing the locals. The trade off was having to hunt birds with a 5 ft shotgun.:eek:

BobOfTheFuture
September 18, 2009, 09:56 AM
Heh heh heh.


Heck, with a bullpup design it will only be as long as an old muzzleloader

atblis
September 18, 2009, 01:31 PM
Hastings Metro Barrel.
http://www.metrogun.com/

Actually, I think the vidja games do aid in interesting people in firearms. I have taken a few people shooting because they mention some pistol/rifle in a video game, and I happen to have that pistol/rifle or a close variant. Once I mention that "hey would you like to shoot a real one of those?", they are generally pretty interested.

The Wiry Irishman
September 18, 2009, 05:16 PM
Google "Hushpower"

CountGlockula
September 18, 2009, 05:26 PM
Go watch No Country for Old Men:
http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/No_Country_For_Old_Men/no_country_for_old_men_movie_image_javier_bardem.jpg

Corey
September 18, 2009, 05:43 PM
Yes, there are suppressors for shotguns. they are more common in Europe, but very rare in the U.S. I only know of one company in the U.S. producing suppressors for shotguns, and they will only sell to gov't agencies as a matter of policy, not law, there was an article in SWAT magazine in 2000 about it. The August, 2008 issue of Small Arms Review has an article on suppressed shotguns, and the author also describes making his own shotgun supressor in it. See links for more info.
European shotgun suppressors:
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/rifles.html
http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/Gunr…
SWAT magazine article:
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/swatse…
Small Arms Review:
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/images/Ma…
Some additional photos:
http://www.longmountain.com/images/Suppr…

Bruno2
September 18, 2009, 06:02 PM
I dont know if it is possible or not . The way a supressor works is by slowing down the expansion of the gasses escaping from the end of your barrel and cooling them at the same time . The inside of a supressor is a series of spacers and baffles stacked on top of each other . The baffles have holes the same size as the bullet and they are line honed to keep them straight with the path of the bullet . Subsonic ammo has to be used to keep the bullet from breaking the sound barrier ie super sonic . A gun that has a closed chamber (automatic or bolt , break style) must be used to keep the gasses from escaping anywhere but through the silencer . So the old movies you see where a supressor on the end of a revolver and it is silencing the discharge is purely fiction . A shotgun supressor could be done for slugs only I would imagine . I just cant see how a charge of shot could travel through all of the baffles and come out with any kind of accuracy at all . Even a conventional style of supressor on a rifle or pistol will kill accuracy . Another thing that movies and game dont portray accurately is the sound of the discharge of a supressed gun . They "usually" sound about as loud or maybe a little louder than the sound created when you clap your hands together really hard and I mean really hard . Inside a room this would sound pretty loud .

paintballdude902
September 18, 2009, 06:23 PM
ive read about this a few times and from what i gather it works best when the shot sin in a capsul not a standard wad

The Wiry Irishman
September 18, 2009, 06:43 PM
Im not in the market for a muscle car exhaust system at the moment.

If you were slightly more patient, you would have found this:

http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/Gunroom/SG_Hushpower.htm

and many sites like it.

mesinge2
September 18, 2009, 07:17 PM
So the old movies you see where a supressor on the end of a revolver and it is silencing the discharge is purely fiction

Bruno2, one could actually silence a 1895 Russian Nagant revolver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0&feature=related

Also the OTs-38 silent revolver is silenced revolver, although the silencer is part of the weapon's design and not on the end of the barrel.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg194-e.htm

P.S. I would love to get my hands on a OTs-38.

Corey
September 18, 2009, 07:21 PM
The baffles have holes the same size as the bullet and they are line honed to keep them straight with the path of the bullet . Subsonic ammo has to be used to keep the bullet from breaking the sound barrier ie super sonic . Not true, bore is oversize in a supressor and is usually not honed. Subsonic ammo may be used, but is not necessary. Many suppressors reduce noise to a safe level without using subsonic ammo.

A shotgun supressor could be done for slugs only I would imagine . I just cant see how a charge of shot could travel through all of the baffles and come out with any kind of accuracy at all .
It can be done and is done. See links in #14

Even a conventional style of supressor on a rifle or pistol will kill accuracy . Completely and Totally FALSE. :cuss: This seems to be a popular idea among people who have never used suppressors.:banghead:

They "usually" sound about as loud or maybe a little louder than the sound created when you clap your hands together really hard and I mean really hard . Inside a room this would sound pretty loud . Depends entirely on the gun and suppressor. Some are almost "hollywood quiet" and some you still would want hearing protection.

Sorry for the thread hijack, I just get frustrated my suppressor myths.

mesinge2
September 18, 2009, 07:25 PM
Here is a quite one, all you here is the action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtlWc7GVQxI&NR=1

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 12:52 AM
Man, it is a really good thing that I did not learn about silencers from certain members on this forum. I might have believed that it is not possible to effectively suppress a revolver (like my 1895 nagant), a high powered rifle (5.56, 308, 338 rum), any semi-auto action or a shotgun. Too many people are willing to believe in or spread fairy tales to try and get their fellow gun owners to limit their options.

Spacers are not required if the right kind of baffle is used. Making the baffles bore the same size of the bullet is a recipe for destruction. Wipes are the only kinds of internals that can touch the bullet without wrecking the silencer, and then they wear out quickly.

The action noise of most firearms is much less than the muzzle blast noise. This is why a suppressed AR-15 can be hearing safe even with the action near the shooter’s ear. When shooting out in the open, the shock wave from the supersonic bullet does not pass the shooter’s ear, so it is of little consequence. While anyone down range will hear it (and it may be loud), the source of the noise can be difficult to locate if the bullet passes any objects along the way to the target. In other words, I do not give a damn about sonic noises. Muzzle noise and action noise are my two greatest concerns.

It is sad to hear of so little imagination when it comes to shotgun silencers. There are at least two solutions to the opening wad “problem”. One is to use a perforated tube inside of the can. This acts just like a ported barrel and traps the gases in the silencer and allows them to expand very well. In the end this design does not work as well as a rifle silencer with baffles from what I have read. I heard the Reflex shotgun cans only reduce noise by 17 decibels which is not so well compared to the 30 decibel performance of other designs. The other way to avoid catching an opening wad inside of the silencer is to make the baffle bore wide enough so that the wad can open as it passes through. This of course lets out more noise and reduces the effectiveness of the silencer.

If I thought that silencers would ruin the accuracy of my firearms, then I would have never bothered to make any. Spending $50 on material plus the $200 tax certainly would be a big waste of money if it made my guns less accurate. My homemade silencers are precisely aligned to the bore to prevent baffle strikes. The only times I have had baffle strikes was when a can came unscrewed and drooped on my 9mm pistol, and the time I tried a new cast load on my 50 caliber rifle that yawed too much and hit the last baffle and end cap. Other than those problems, the only difference is the change in point of impact due to the weight of the silencer on the barrel. This is easily compensated for by adjusting the sights or scope.

Shooting suppressed weapons at long range without hearing protection is kick ass. Too bad people here are trying to talk themselves out of a nice experience.

Ranb

Blakenzy
September 19, 2009, 11:36 AM
From post #15 http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/..._Hushpower.htm


http://guns.connect.fi/gow/shotgsup.jpg

Note that the design does not use separated baffles that the shot wad has to "jump" over, but a continuous fenestrated tube. Using that design it would appear entirely possible to "silence" any shotgun with any type shot/projectile.

mesinge2
September 19, 2009, 03:00 PM
Man, it is a really good thing that I did not learn about silencers from certain members on this forum. I might have believed that it is not possible to effectively suppress a revolver (like my 1895 nagant), a high powered rifle (5.56, 308, 338 rum), any semi-auto action or a shotgun.

"Bold emphasis added by me"

Rand, I agree. Here is a silencer for a 50 BMG

http://www.qsmsilencers.com/50%20bmg%20suppressor%20stats.html

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 07:52 PM
Here is some of my work. All of the silencers are homemade on ATF form 1's.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/collection.jpg

A drawing of my 5.56 can and a photo of a 510 whisper.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/suppressors/223REMINGTON-1.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/suppressors/photos_510w_2.jpg

Ranb

Fosbery
September 19, 2009, 08:42 PM
I've seen Hushpower shotgun moderators used. Very quiet. Some attach to the end of the barrel so increase length and ruin balance, but others are integral and so don't increase overall length. However, they're bloody heavy! The moderator itself weighs the same as an AR15!

Bruno2
September 19, 2009, 09:00 PM
A really good friend of mine just purchased one for his p22 and I cannot think of the brand , but , it has a picture of the statue of liberty on the box . The shots are just about everywhere when the can is on . The shots vary so much that adjusting the POA is useless . By using subsonic ammo is the only way I have ever seen one perform anywhere close to Hollywood standards of supressed discharge . Ranb I am sorry that I was not considering your personal preferance of supersonic noise downrange b/c once again the comparison was about hollywood and being realistic . I would like to apologize to RANB for not having the knowledge about the nagant revolver and the capability of being supressed . I hate to keep repeating myself , but , it was comparison of hollywood and reality again .

WinchesterAA
September 19, 2009, 09:32 PM
Ranb, the questions I'm about to ask could no doubt be answered by many people, however you've just proven that you're quite knowledgeable of the subject, therefore I feel fairly confident that any answers you provide would be of great value to me.

I would appreciate if you could elaborate on certain aspects of your designs -

Why conical baffles? It's an obvious question, with an obvious answer, but the details in which I am interested in. What are the factors influencing your decision to use a conical baffle, and what is the proportion regarding spacer length, and the size of the baffle?

What is the ID of the smallest end of the conical baffle, and why did you choose to make it that size? (A somewhat educated guess from myself is that it's approximately .02" wider than the bullet going through it.)

What type of metal do you prefer for your silencers?

A question regarding the basic fundamentals of threading-

What do the numbers in 1/2-28, and 13/16-20 pertain to?
I'm inclined to believe that 1/2 is indicative of a rate of twist, but what specifically does that mean, and what mathematical formulas, if any, would be used to elaborate on this subject?

The 28 may pertain to the amount of threads per inch, but I am unsure of this.

Also, some personal history would be much appreciated, as I hope to one day have my own machine shop in my garage or basement if I ever have one, just because that's what makes me happy. I love making things, and I love even more the idea that I can make things really well.

What tools do you use, and how did you go about acquiring them?

Additionally, my questions can most definitely be viewed more as a general machining question, as opposed to anything specific, such as the manufacture of silencers. Though I do love shooting when it's not so loud, I don't really care about the noise that much since earmuffs are something I carry around all the time, because most of what I do is loud - not just shooting)

Thank you for your time, sir, and I hope you'll fill in the details I'm obviously not quite grasping at this moment.


Bonus question - What are the names for the branches of math that you utilize most often? (trigonometry, algebra, etc)

Bruno2
September 19, 2009, 09:33 PM
All of the guns with supressors that I have shot have not been necessarily known for accuracy Uzi, mp5sd , 10/22 with internally supressed barrel that was full auto ( nobody shot it br style ) and beretta 21 . The 21 had some kind of issue that was shaving pieces of the bullet of and sometimes landing on the shooters hands . I showed the problem to the guy that made it and he replied it probably needs to be line honed something is not in line( to say the least) . I didnt shoot the gun anymore after he repaired it or whatever . The uzi had a "universal " style of supressor that would fit on an M-16 and a G3 ( and probably whatever else had the same style of threaded barrel). That supressor probably had the wiper style of baffles in it and the guy told me that it had to go back to factory to be serviced every so often . I am sure that the holes in the baffles are bigger than bullet , but , they couldnt be too much bigger or the hot gasses would escape to rapidly . The one pistol that I have shot that should have been somewhat accurate was a p22 and like I posted above it wasnt . The wiper style must be the ones dont necessarily retain the accuracy b/c if something was touching the bullet it would certainly alter the path somewhat .

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 10:04 PM
Bruno2, you never considered that your friend's P22/silencer combo might have had a problem that is leading to its inaccuracy? It is probably an adaptor problem mounting the silencer out of alignment with the bore that is making it inaccurate. Claiming that “a conventional style of suppressor (sic) on a rifle or pistol will kill accuracy” based upon a single observation of a suppressed P22 is not rational. Better you try to find out more before making such claims. Make this claim on http://www.subguns.com and http://www.silencertalk.com . The posters there might be able to provide some advice to your friend instead of condemning silencers as devices that degrade accuracy.

Instead of repeating yourself, why not tell us why silencer bore is the same size as the bullet? Posting what you know instead of what you can or can not imagine is a better way to go.

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 10:40 PM
I used conical baffles for the 510 whisper silencer so I could reconfigure it for my 45 acp Enfield rifle by removing the spacers and stacking the baffles at the end of the can. My first three cans (300 whisper, 510 whisper, 22lr) were make from K or conical baffles. I prefer K baffles, but still use a conical baffle for the blast baffle as I think it make lead to less turbulence in the blast chamber and less disruption to the bullet path. But I do not have data to back this up.

I normally make the baffle with as large a cone as I can on my lathe. I space the baffles about the distance of one bullet length apart. I make a bearing surface on the conical baffles at least a half inch long to help keep the baffle aligned properly. K baffles align themselves. I make the baffle bore .025” to .070” larger than bullet caliber. Larger for the baffles farthest from the muzzle. If the barrel is not very straight or I can not be certain of very good alignment of the silencer to the bore, then I make the baffle bore larger. The silencer external dimensions are based on cartridge capasity and how much bulk I am willing to have added to the firearm.

I use aluminum and steel. Aluminum is good for most pistol and low pressure rifle silencers like the 300 whisper and 22lr. I use stainless for muzzle brakes and blast baffles most times. I use 4130 tubing for high pressure silencers like 5.56 and .308 because it is straight, stronger, cheaper and comes with a smooth finish inside and out.

˝-28 means half inch wide and a thread pitch of 28 threads per inch. ˝-28 is common for 22 caliber barrel threads at the muzzle. 5/8-24 is common for 308 and some that are larger.

I bought a grizzly lathe ($1500), wire feed welder ($400), band saw ($60), bench grinder ($50) just to make silencers. I learned how to operate the lathe while making my first silencer, it was easy to learn the basics, but I am still not very good at it. I recommend paying as much as you can afford on the lathe. The cheap 12” hobby lathes are a bad choice. If you plan on using the lathe for years, then get a good one, not like the cheap one I bought. I bought most of my stuff online or at Home Depot. Be very careful when ordering online; make sure the machine they ship matches the specs they list.

I made an excel spreadsheet to determine the volume a baffle would take up inside of the can and to estimate the more difficult internal measurements to make. I use trig equations to determine volume of the baffle based on a few easy to make measurements. It also showed me the weight of the finished product. Its biggest asset was to show me that the baffles and spacers needed to be very thin in order to not take up too much expansion volume in the can. After gaining some experience on the lathe, I did not use the spreadsheet to determine dimensions.

Ranb

mljdeckard
September 19, 2009, 10:46 PM
If silencers kill accuracy, I guess the suppressed M110 SASS I shot a few weeks ago, and dinged three targets at three different ranges with the first three shots didn't get the memo.

WinchesterAA
September 19, 2009, 11:00 PM
Awesome reply, Ranb. Thank you :D

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 11:04 PM
Baffle strikes will make a suppressed firearm very inaccurate. I shot a suppressed Buckmark that was striking, but not enough to dent the baffle or end cap. Even though the bullets barely touched the baffles, this was enough to change impact by over two feet.

Silencers equipped with wipes can be very effective at reducing noise. From what I have read they are typically thick rubber disks with X shaped slots cut into them. The bullet passes through and the slots close again to retard the flow of gun powder gases. This makes the silencer very effective at reducing noise, for a while. Each bullet damages the wipe as it hits, eventually they are worn away and lose much of their effectiveness. From what I have read in Al Paulson’s Silencer History and Performance, 50 rounds is all one can expect before the wipes need to be replaced. The ATF prohibits silencer parts replacement except by licensed manufacturers. An exception to this is the replacement of wipes. Some people use a metal punch to cut new wipes from a sheet of rubber. Wipe equipped silencers do ruin accuracy at all but the shortest ranges though. This is why I will probably never make one.

Ranb

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 11:15 PM
If silencers kill accuracy, I guess the suppressed M110 SASS I shot a few weeks ago, and dinged three targets at three different ranges with the first three shots didn't get the memo.

The first time I shot my suppressed firearms was a real treat. I had to adjust the scope a lot, especially for the subsonic weapons, but accuracy was not significantly affected out to 200 yards.

Ranb

Bruno2
September 19, 2009, 11:20 PM
I guess the one my buddy bought for his p22 got the memo and may have even been the issuer .

Ranb
September 19, 2009, 11:35 PM
Did your buddy get his silencer from a reputable manufacturer that stands behind their product? Was he able to get it repaired? I hope he has not given up on gun mufflers.

How about you Bruno2? Do you stand behind the claims you made here?

Here is what can happen when a shooter gets a baffle strike.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/suppressors/bafflestrike.jpg

If you make baffles (not wipes) with a bore the same size as bullet caliber, then you can expect much worse.

Ranb

mljdeckard
September 20, 2009, 01:39 AM
That does make sense that you have to make sure the bullet doesn't touch anything.

I shout out to 500 yards, and that was with guessed windage, one shot, no problem.

Sunray
September 20, 2009, 03:12 AM
"...these games tend to strive for realisim(SIC)..." No they don't. To paraphrase Bugs Bunny, you can do anything in an animated cartoon or video game. Nothing real about any of 'em.
"...Baffle strikes will make a suppressed firearm very inaccurate..." If a bullet hits the baffles on its way out of the barrel, excessively bad things will happen that are far worse than poor accuracy.

earlthegoat2
September 20, 2009, 05:25 AM
these types of games introduce more new people to shooting then the NRA can dream of

I can appreciate this statement. It is probably more accurate to say they introduce more people to different kinds of guns than actual shooting. Which I believe is an important first step.

AZAviator
September 20, 2009, 05:57 AM
As a player of COD4 I have to say I wouldnt take anything in that game for granted. Alot of inaccuracies with the weapons but also some good attention to detail, its a mix. I do think that what we see on TV and in other forms of entertainment (like video games) has a big influence on our interests. Not for 1 second however do I blame video games for somebody picking up a gun and killing someone, this is an ignorant easy-off excuse that prius-driving liberals seem to lean toward and makes me :banghead:

Deanimator
September 20, 2009, 09:55 AM
Suppressed shot firing firearms are probably most effective when they employ a captive system in the ammunition. The "shell" has a sealed portion containing the primer and propellant. On firing, the forward end of this sealed unit instantly deforms like a beer can left in a freezer, driving the shot down the barrel. As I recall, this was the system used in the modified Model 29 S&W .44 Magnums used by "tunnel rats" in Vietnam. The advantage of such ammunition is that it doesn't REQUIRE a suppressor. I don't know if it would be quieter with one.

Ranb
September 20, 2009, 11:50 AM
From a civilian standpoint, the captive ammo system is completely impractical. Each cartridge by itself is a silencer as far as I know. $200 plus a pop. :( Sure is interesting though.

Ranb

Wes Janson
September 20, 2009, 12:09 PM
From a civilian standpoint, the captive ammo system is completely impractical. Each cartridge by itself is a silencer as far as I know. $200 plus a pop. Sure is interesting though.

Ranb

On the other hand, theoretically I suppose you could just reload the same ones over and over. Design it properly so they can be quickly and easily reloaded, and chamber it in something like a .44 Magnum snubbie, and then register five of 'em..and you'll have a suppressed revolver.

Acera
September 20, 2009, 01:01 PM
Here is a silenced shotgun video from the UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB__xEwuM50




yes, there have been attempts, but, no, they've not been practical or very successful

Well, it seems pretty practical and successful to me..............

cchris
September 20, 2009, 02:40 PM
My roommate plays the game Counter Strike far too much. But in the game, one of the available guns is a SIG P228, albeit in .357 SIG (to avoid legal issues I believe). Though I can't vouch for how real anything in the game is, when I bought my P228, he'd actually heard of it before because of the game and was interested in going to shoot one in real life, as opposed to the game.

Recall the guy who bought a Subaru WRX STi based on his experience with it in a driving simulation. Well, some people have an interest in a certain firearm after playing a game that features it, and from there they might research it more and perhaps seek to find one, or at least dig deeper into the world of firearms.

On the opposite side, I have the urge to slap people when they tell me "There is no such thing as a Gewehr 98" and say that it is a "Gewehr 43" or "Karabiner 98" (mostly on youtube) because of what they have played in Call of Duty.

Ranb
September 20, 2009, 07:11 PM
On the other hand, theoretically I suppose you could just reload the same ones over and over. Design it properly so they can be quickly and easily reloaded, and chamber it in something like a .44 Magnum snubbie, and then register five of 'em..and you'll have a suppressed revolver.

Leave it to the ATF to ruin a good idea. All silencer parts are silencers by themselves. The only parts the ATF allows an unlicensed person to replace is wipes, after the old ones are destroyed. I'm sure the ATF would consider the propellant to be a part, therefore each and every refurbished cartridge would be another $200 tax.

Ranb

mesinge2
September 23, 2009, 09:04 PM
Ranb, do you know of a good threaded barrel and supressor combination for a 1911 Colt Combat Elite (Pictured below).

106039

Madcap_Magician
September 23, 2009, 09:46 PM
Another solution to the problem of suppressing shotguns has been to make silenced shells. I don't think they were used often, though.

Ranb
September 24, 2009, 07:39 AM
Any of the manufacturers list on the silencer tests links page that make 45 acp cans would be a good choice. Just make sure you get one with a recoil booster so that the slide cycles. A google search will locate extended threaded barrels. I do not have a 45 caliber pistol silencer, so I can not talk from experience. The forums at silencertalk and subguns are a better place for opinions.

Ranb

mesinge2
September 25, 2009, 05:51 PM
Thanks, Ranb

zoom6zoom
September 25, 2009, 10:24 PM
Hey, you can suppress almost anything.http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ/SZ72A1vrBgI/AAAAAAAAHm8/86uOvNAUF78/s400/tanksilencer.jpg

Mandolin
September 25, 2009, 11:08 PM
Almost true. How do you suppress the round at the recieving end?

mesinge2
September 26, 2009, 09:04 PM
Is that tank supressor real, I have never even heard of anything like that. Wow.

Acera
September 27, 2009, 12:39 AM
That is not for tanks, but for artillery.

Located in Germany where they are very sensitive about noise around their towns, and the ranges tend to be very close.

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