[Keith]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=573&e=2&u=/nm/20031031/od_nm/girls_dc

High School Girls Pummel Man Who Exposed Himself
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PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A man described by authorities as a known sexual predator was chased through the streets of South Philadelphia by an angry crowd of Catholic high school girls, who kicked and punched him after he was tackled by neighbors, police said on Friday.

Rudy Susanto, 25, who had exposed himself to teen-age girls on as many as seven occasions outside St. Maria Goretti School, struck again on Thursday just as students were being dismissed, police said.

But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted Susanto with help from some neighbors, police said. When Susanto tried to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.

"The girls came and started kicking him and punching him, so I wasn't going to stop them," neighbor Robert Lemons told The Philadelphia Inquirer.

Susanto was later treated for injuries at a local hospital. Police said he would be charged with 14 criminal counts including harassment, disorderly conduct, open lewdness and corrupting the morals of a minor.

[4v50 Gary]

Instant karmic payback. :D

[Nightcrawler]

I'm sure that's going to get him a LOT of respect down at the county jail, too.

"You're the dude that got beat up by the high school girls, right? C'mere..."

:what:

LOL

This is too funny.

[Keith]

Can you imagine what a wonderful country this would be if every criminal was chased down and beaten by everyone witnessing the crime?

Keith

[Balog]

Keith: that would be terrible! The criminal might lead them into an ambush. Be better to just shoot 'em:evil:

[Balog]

Come to think of it, a friend of mine once told me a story like that. He was with his Dad at a Houston Astros' game. Some kids were in the parking lot throwing rocks at cars. His dad chased them down, beat them unconscious, and hauled 'em down to the local po-po. Cop listened to his story, took one look at the bloody mess on the floor, and told him he might want to leave :uhoh: He just walked away and never suffered any repercussions.

[spacemanspiff]

wait, this perv corrupted the morals of minors, who were attending catholic school???

:evil: :evil:

no offense to you wonderful catholics out there. i mean no ill will towards anyone.

[Keith]

Well of course he corrupted their morals! They would never have chased down and beaten anyone if it wasn't for him!

Keith

[Gus Dddysgrl]

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You go girls!!! Wish I could have helped. :neener: :evil: :neener: :evil: :neener:

Gus

[Mark Tyson]

That's some good divine intervention.

"I kick *** for the Lord!" LOL

(If you don't know, don't ask.)

[sm]

"Man what got a hold of you?"
Saddle Oxfords, size 6

Use Enough Saddle Oxford...
:D

[Nightcrawler]

"I kick *** for the Lord!"

And what a movie that was... ;)

[foghornl]

We can hope that his [ahem] 'flashables' maybe got bruised a bit, too:p

[Keith]

And you know... there's something really darned sexy about a girl-fight!

Keith

[Atticus]

Oh gawd.....something tells me this event will inspire a new reality show.
"Pervert Fear Factor meets Catholic School Girls Gone Wild".

[Dr.Rob]

Over coat $50
Bag of candy $5

Getting your sorry perverted caboose kicked by your intended victims... priceless, truly priceless.

Hope someone broke his eggs.

[Daniel T]

If any of you watch Anime, that sounds remarkably like any number of scenes from Ranma.

[RustyHammer]

Sad thing is ... that's probably a dream come true for the sick-o.

[4v50 Gary]

In hindsight, I'm hesitant to call it a beating. That would be very unchristian of those girls. Rather, they were practicing to be nuns and wanted to see if they had it in them. Undoubtably, some of those girls will not don the habit and will seek another vocation. I wonder if the perp makes a good mezzo-soprano? ;)

[XLMiguel]

"Sisters are doin' it for themsleves. . . . "

Hope the guy experienced 'a really good foot-stompin' good time'. Sometimes, 'street justice' works.

[Tamara]

*Sniff*

That's just beautiful, man.

"Hey, little girls! C'mere! I've got... Oh, my gawd! Ow! Aaahhh!! Help!"

:D

[280PLUS]

this time it was just the girls, NEXT time it'll be the nuns,,,WITH RULERS!!

nothing puts fear into a catholic more than an angry nun with a ruler

:evil:

:D

[Stevie-Ray]

:D And some people say there's no God. :p

[gundam007]

I would have helped... then taken all their phone numbers ;) (note- I am 13, so I aint a pedo-)

[Travis McGee]

Catholic girls rock! Chase 'em down and kick their butts!
http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/snakelogo.jpg

[bigjim]

How would this story play if the flasher was female and the School kids were male?

I ask because strange as it may seem one day many many years ago I was walking home from school in South Florida with a few of my buddies and some gal flashed her breasts at us. We were 13 or 14 years old.

I guess since we were so horribly injured by this we should have chased her down the street and beat the crap out of her.

Go figure. I guess maybe I was to stupid to understand the harm done to me. I just never crossed my mind to attack anyone.

I guess the rules regarding self defense and use of force just don't apply if there is a penis involved.

[SnWnMe]

God does work in mysterious ways.

[Wiley]

Has there been any comment in the Philly media about vigilantyism, as there would have been if the pervert had been shot? Just curious.

[SodaPop]

This story has been all over the local news. The commanding officer that lead the attack on Baghdad airport is from the Philly/Pennsylvania area. He is going to give the girls and award after they are takin (in a limo) to a famous Philly cheese-steak place, "Gino's"


I'm not joking.:D



The principal of the high school actually condemned the girls for being Vigilantes.:rolleyes:

The guy did get beat up pretty good. I think he lost a few toofs.:evil:

[c_yeager]

"I kick *** for the Lord!"

We should start a sub-group for the sick weirdos that actually recognize this refference. Can i be the treasurer?

[Tamara]

How would this story play if the flasher was female and the School kids were male?

Sorry, but there is a difference in this culture.

Maybe we'd have cheered you and your buddies on if every week we heard stories of women dragging young men into windowless vans and leaving their bodies under bridges.

[bigjim]

[QUOTE]Tamara Said: Sorry, but there is a difference in this culture.
Maybe we'd have cheered you and your buddies on if every week we heard stories of women dragging young men into windowless vans and leaving their bodies under bridges.QUOTE]

Nice try Tamara but nobody in the thread is talking about a rape or a vilolent sexual attack except you. Please join the rest of us by commenting on something related to this topic.

Yes women more often than men end up victims. So I guess we should preemptively beat men that you or catholic school girls feel may be dangerous. No due process or actual violent crime needed.

In our culture guns are often abused as well we better do something about that. Mainly its men that do the gun abusing as well. Better round those things up from all those men.

Do you really think that if man shows his penis to a woman uninvited he should be chased and held by other men and then beaten by mobs of angry women? Did you see that terror footage on Fox news? That is what mob vilolence looks like. I don't know maybe its just me but I think criminal charges and punishment that is proscribed by law might have been a better solution.

Maybe we should give those girls some concrete blocks and baseball bats. Show your penis and you get a date with Tamaras baseball team.

Sorry Tamara, I don't care how many gals jump out of bushes and show me thiers on my walk to Safeway this morning...... I am still not going to beat anyone up.....even if you hold her tight for me.

[Tamara]

Artful job of missing my point. ;)

I said "there is a difference in this culture."

If a man were to expose himself to me, I'd likely just point and laugh. I've done that before, and it seems to work. I have this option because, should he try to do anything more than simply expose himself, I have a wide variety of options open to me, ranging from breaking his nose to shooting him dead, depending on the severity of the assault.

However, since young schoolgirls in this culture don't have that option, they are generally perceived as helpless potential victims. Most folks get a chuckle when "helpless potential victims" stomp the snot out of someone who tried to make a play off their perceived helplessness. If you're looking for sympathy for the stompee in this culture, you'll be looking a long time.

Adolescent males, statistically, are pretty over-represented in crime statistics, so, were the gender-roles of the situation reversed, they would not garner the same response. Unfair? Yeah, but, in this culture that's just the way it is...

[bigjim]

Heres another story.

My wifes sister was riding a bus and a old man sat down next to her. His hand were in his lap and he was rapidly rubbing his penis through his pants. She asked him to stop but he just looked at her. She yelled at him and called him names but he just kept rubbing and ignored her complaints. So she got up and kicked him as hard has she could.

Turns out the Old man had a medical problem and could not control the movement of his hands. Putting them in his lap made this less noticeable and reduced his embarrassment at his condition. He was scared and bewildered at my sister in-laws behavior.

This has bothered me for years on so many levels.

Why did she think that a old man "jerking off" on a bus was OK to attack?
Why was she not charged with her crime? I think she should have been jailed for her attack, even if he was jerking off which he was not!
She felt totally justified and still does because he might have been jerking off. I just don't get it I guess.

Please Tamara no rants about the dangers of Old men and their out of control genitals on publics buses windowless or otherwise.

[bigjim]

Artful job of missing my point

Thanks..... I had to work at it a bit. But in the end I think it was worth the effort.

[Tamara]

A) How old was your wife's sister at the time?
B) How old was the old man?
C) When she started ranting, why didn't he explain himself?
D) I hope he pressed charges.

Let's look at the totality of circumstances, here.

Do you see similarities between this event and the one in Philly?



Let me relate a story that may have bearing:

A convenience store in the small town where I lived was broken into one night. The alarm went off at the owner's place. He pulled on a robe, grabbed his Mossberg, and drove the two blocks to the store, in time to see a guy exiting the store and hopping in the passenger seat of the getaway car. He "attempted to mark the rear of the car" with buckshot to "make it easier for the police to locate". In the process, he spattered the passengers melon all over the inside of the windshield.

Now, shooting a fleeing man in the getaway car is illegal. It prob'ly ain't even all that moral. Nevertheless, the grand jury no-billed him. I had to agree with their decision; what the man did was wrong, but the thief could've saved himself a skull full of buckshot by not being there in the first place...

[bigjim]

Tamara Said:bigjim,
A) How old was your wife's sister at the time?
B) How old was the old man?
C) When she started ranting, why didn't he explain himself?
D) I hope he pressed charges.

Let's look at the totality of circumstances, here.

Do you see similarities between this event and the one in Philly?



Let me relate a story that may have bearing:

A convenience store in the small town where I lived was broken into one night. The alarm went off at the owner's place. He pulled on a robe, grabbed his Mossberg, and drove the two blocks to the store, in time to see a guy exiting the store and hopping in the passenger seat of the getaway car. He "attempted to mark the rear of the car" with buckshot to "make it easier for the police to locate". In the process, he spattered the passengers melon all over the inside of the windshield.

Now, shooting a fleeing man in the getaway car is illegal. It prob'ly ain't even all that moral. Nevertheless, the grand jury no-billed him. I had to agree with their decision; what the man did was wrong, but the thief could've saved himself a skull full of buckshot by not being there in the first place...


Sister was in her mid 30's sitting in a crowded bus. She thinks the Man was in his 70's. He did not explain himself and this is conjecture on my part, because he was old infirm and being confronted by a loud angry young person which left him scared and bewildered. My Sister in-law thinks this is likely in retrospect. He did not press charges, the old in OUR CULTURE are often even more disenfranchised than the often oppressed school girl.

Yes I do see similarities between this event and the one in Philly. Both cases involve men doing admitted unwelcome and perhaps repulsive things in the presence of females and the females reacting with violence that can not possibly be justified by any law or moral standard. In both cases they were aided in their actions either passively or actively by on-lookers.

Really Tamara what part of equal protection under the law is so confusing to you?

I do think that it is very likely that at least one or two of the young females in Philly may be damaged by this entire thing. While she was kicking the captive man in the face she may have thrilled to the power and control she was able to use for the first time in her life. She will no doubt suppress her real sexuality and marry a man she does not even like, become a US Senator from New York and some day run for President.

I am total unable to understand how your story relates in anyway to this thread.

[Tamara]

Her "real sexuality"?

Sir, there are obviously deeper issues underlying your vitriol. You win; I'm outta this one. :uhoh:

[bigjim]

Sorry not sure what you read into that but it was a attempt at humor.

I have no deep issues...that would requier depth.

[Keith]

Jim,

Sex crimes (exposing yourself to a female child is a sex crime...) are crimes of violence. Reacting to violence with violence is quite acceptable as far as I'm concerned.
If someone punches me in the nose, I'm going to punch them back.
If someone exposes their genitalia to a young woman, he shouldn't be surprised to find the toe of her boot contacting those genitalia.

There is a cultural, social and biological difference between men and women. A woman exposing her hooters to a man is not a threatening act, merely an indication of her current alcohol level. A man exposing himself to a strange woman is an implied threat of sexual violence.

Keith

[ShaiVong]

Get a friggan grip Jim; Keith is right. This guy exposed himself several (as much as seven) to these school girls, and was

A man described by authorities as a known sexual predator

He was a dangerous deviant and got what he deserved. Understand right now that men and women are different . Just like Keith said; a woman flashing her chest is not a threatening act; although if done repeatedly to school aged boys its an indication of deep psychological issues, and she should be kept away from children.

When an adult male exposes himself repeatedly to school aged girls, it is most definately a cause for alarm and may be flagged as signs of impeding violence. Neither is socially acceptable in this society; but the man got what he had coming: A thrashing at the hands of his perspective victims.

Don't bore us all about how things arent equal; nobody said life was fair. :scrutiny:

[bigjim]

Keith said: Jim,

Sex crimes (exposing yourself to a female child is a sex crime...) are crimes of violence. Reacting to violence with violence is quite acceptable as far as I'm concerned.
If someone punches me in the nose, I'm going to punch them back.
If someone exposes their genitalia to a young woman, he shouldn't be surprised to find the toe of her boot contacting those genitalia.

There is a cultural, social and biological difference between men and women. A woman exposing her hooters to a man is not a threatening act, merely an indication of her current alcohol level. A man exposing himself to a strange woman is an implied threat of sexual violence.

Keith

Yes I agree Keith Exposing yourself is a crime. But the law is blind to the gender of the exposer and the exposing "victim". As well it should be.

The phrase "crime of violence" is just like "weapons of mass destruction" and "hate speech" in that it has been rendered so meaningless by the purveyors of PC thought that what ever meaning it once had is lost for all time.

The remedy for someone flashing you is to turn away and call the police. Its also a good idea to be prepared to defend yourself in case it turns violent in a way that is recognized as such by someone outside of the National Organization of Women.

Being punched in the nose is irrelevant to this topic because the only punching was done to captive man by the "victim".

When it comes to using violence in self defense I don't think the standard is "Implied Threat". A person either is or is not threatening as determined by a reasonable person at the time.

If the flasher in this case did something that we are not privy to based on the description, that made those girls believe they were going to be PHYSICALLY assaulted, then they would be justified in defending themselves.

However beating a man that is being held by other men for a moral transgression is just wrong, legally, and morally, no matter how satisfying it may be.

[c_yeager]

There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with this country when the law becomes more important than ethics to normal citizens.

[Keith]

However beating a man that is being held by other men for a moral transgression is just wrong, legally, and morally, no matter how satisfying it may be.

I will agree that it is perhaps "legally" wrong, but morally... no way!

And I'll point out that this guy was a multiple offender. These girls had been exposed (!) to this several times and nothing had been done. The legal means to curb his behavior had been tried over and over again. He was still on the streets despite numerous court appearances.

There have been several interesting discussions on similar topics. Clearly there is a division between those who would obey the law at all costs, and those who would break the law for the greater good.

I will stand firmly with those who, under the right circumstances, would break the law to intervene in a crime or to prevent a violent criminal from escaping - or even, in a case like this, to allow the victims to get a little back...

In this case, you can be certain that he will never bother girls at that particular school again. The "greater good" was served.

Keith

[ShaiVong]

I prefer to obey the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of it. And I do not confuse law with morality and ethics; nor do I forget which is more important.

[Keith]

I prefer to obey the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of it. And I do not confuse law with morality and ethics; nor do I forget which is more important.

Well said!

Keith

[bigjim]

keith Shaivong,

I can agree in principal to your point about a higher standard of behavior than than the "law can describe".

However when a person makes a principled stand and acts outside of the law because it is the right thing to do. ( which in this case I am not persuaded that mob violence was) you must also then stand up and take your consequences.

The fact than in addition to "sex crime" charges there were not also charges filed for various levels of assault against members of the mob is disturbing, that is if you value a society that has any order to it at all.

How many times have we counseled people on this very forum that even though the gun law in question is wrong and not what the founding fathers envisioned you must follow it! If you don't you deserve the consequences. Being right may infact be your ultimate guide but it is no shield from the law.

[Keith]

How many times have we counseled people on this very forum that even though the gun law in question is wrong and not what the founding fathers envisioned you must follow it!

What do you mean "we", Kimosabe?
I'd be the first one to advise someone to carry a gun if the circumstances warranted it, and they couldn't get a legal permit. I'd also advise them that they are taking a risk of legal repercussions. You weigh the risks and you take your chances - if the fear of being killed or raped outweighs the risk of a gun charge, then buy the gun!

Keith

[bigjim]

exactly Keith..... but you don't then expect to evade accountability for that gun charge do you?

[Keith]

exactly Keith..... but you don't then expect to evade accountability for that gun charge do you?

Nope, but under our system prosecutors have discretion on whether they go after a crime or not. And if prosecuted you have the chance to make your case to fellow citizens.

A woman being stalked by some violent boyfriend may or may not be prosecuted for illegally carrying a gun. And she'll get to make her case to a jury - who may find in her favor.

These are things that you have to weigh before breaking the law. And these are the same things a prosecutor has to weigh before taking the case to a jury. Is he wasting his time and the publics money to prosecute some schoolgirls for kicking a repeat sexual predator who had just exposed himself to them? Yeah, he is - any jury in the land will stick that case right up his... well, they'll acquit.

Keith

[BluesBear]

Seems to me that some here are having a slight problem with gender identification.

There IS a big difference between men and women and it's a LOT more than the size and shape of genitalia.


To even try and compare a man flashing his tallywacker to school girls to a woman jiggling her ta'ta's to school boys is simply stoopid.

I'd be willing to wager that no man has ever been raped by a womans breasts. Except to your eyesight, or your wallet, they're just simply not that dangerous.

Besides that, the female is not always eager to see a male's "equipment" and even when she is, she's usually quite selective. I'll allow that the level of selectivity decreases in porportion to the quantity of alcohol consumed, but I digress.

On the other hand the average male is always open to the opportunity to view the female's anatomical differences. It's just the way we were made.

A sexual preditor who engages in flashing usually does it to what appears to him to be "helpless" victims. The more helpless and powerless the bigger the thrill to these sickos. Which is why I applaud these young women for the attitude adjustment they administered.


Carjacking in New Orleans have dropped since the cretins finally realized that they just might get shot.
Perhaps "flashing" in Philly will decrease once those morons figure out that they might just get their walnuts dry roasted.

[Aleko]

And you know... there's something really darned sexy about a girl-fight! Especially if they're wearing uniforms. :evil:

[ShaiVong]

Jim, I know what your saying. Mob justice is no justice at all; but there are different levels of violence.

I mean, if the girls had run him down and beat him unconsious with crowbars and baseball bats; well then, charges are in order. The way it sounds is he got roughed up by his outraged repeat targets. A few scratches and bruses, nothing life threatening, and a lot less than he would get if he had pulled that kind of **it in a country that still uses martial punishment.

I would take a beating from a bunch of teenage girls in miniskirts over 10 wacks from a cane in singapore(sp!) any day!

Heck, I might take the beating from the girls anway! :eek: :neener:

[280PLUS]

if more women would just point at the offending tallywhacker and say something like

"sorry, i don't like shrimp" while laughing uproariously,

maybe there'd be a few less guys willing to show it off after a while?

they want the negative you are repulsed reaction, if you turn it around on them, suddenly theyre not in control anymore and the act quickly loses its appeal,,,

but that aside, a few good wacks from a crowd of p.o.'d women is also not a bad method of containment either

here's some fuel for the fire...

what if, upon being chased and attacked by a crowd of angry catholic girls

he pulled out his gun instead of his,,,(this time) and started shooting, then what?

:what:

saw a little on a south american tribe last nite,,,all the peeps lived life naked, except the men wrapped their unit in leaves and vines because they would feel "naked without them" (the leaves) and to prevent any uh, activity that it might involuntarily produce all on its own (catch my drift?) which would lead to much pointing and laughter on the part of the women and much embarrassment to the unlucky(?) male...

:D

funny how cultural upbringing can affect the same stuff in different ways