POWDER RECALLS - - Compiled information


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Johnny Guest
October 31, 2003, 01:09 PM
This will be a compilation of WARNING ADVISORIES concerning manufacturers’ recalls of powder and other components.

At the very apropos suggestion of C.R.Sam, I'm going to float this topic for a while.

I’m including the first two posted recently. Any member who becomes aware of other recalls, feel free to post in this float. Please follow the format - -

Powder manufacturer and type
Lot number
Link to your source of information.
Other pertinent data.

Thanks to all who contribute. Here are the first two entries. Hope there won't be many more.

Accurate Arms 3100
Lot number 12002
http://www.accuratearms.com/
Thanks to Mike Irwin on 25 OCT 2003

Hodgon Lil Gun
Lot #103080221
http://www.hodgdon.com/news/lilgunrecall.php
Thanks to M2HMGHB on 30 OCT 2003


Best,
Johnny

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HogRider
November 1, 2003, 09:39 PM
Ramshot Big Game
Lot: 141
http://www.ramshot.com/

1lb and 8 lb containers.

Johnny Guest
November 4, 2003, 07:55 PM
Sierra Loading Manual 5th Edition
This edition is said to contain some errors.
Details at www.sierrabullets.com
Thanks to Rottweiler 4 NOV 2003

Mike Irwin
December 4, 2003, 01:07 AM
Hogdon's website has a recall on Lil'Gun

1 LB. CONTAINER, LOT NUMBER: 103080221


Hodgdon Powder Company, Inc. has determined that a small number of one pound (1 lb.) containers of Hodgdon’s LIL' GUN smokeless powder may create excessive pressures in firearms when loaded in cartridges and/or shotshells using standard loading data. Such a condition, if present, may cause personal injury to the user and/or bystander and damage to the firearm. Users should immediately cease using this product and return it to Hodgdon Powder Co. as instructed below:

RETURN OF PRODUCT AND REPLACEMENT:
All persons in possession of Lot #103080221 of Hodgdon’s LIL’ GUN – 1 lb. containers of smokeless powder should immediately call 1-800-622-4366 (toll free) for instructions from Hodgdon’s Customer Service Dept. as to the return of this product.

Hodgdon will send you a D.O.T. approved return shipping carton at no cost to you for use in returning the product. We will also send you a replacement product at no charge.

You may find the lot number on the sticker on the bottom of the powder bottle.

P95Carry
February 13, 2004, 10:42 PM
Not a powder recall but ... just so as it gets more exposure .... here is the link to the Hodgdon matter re Longshot powder references in newest manual.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=63693

Johnny Guest
May 5, 2004, 12:26 PM
Noted on the J&G e-flyer:

Federal Ammunition has announced a partial recall on some 45 Long Colt ammunition. We are not sure if J&G sold any of the recalled lot numbers, our current batch is OK, but if you have any Federal 45LC semi-wadcutter ammo number C45LCA check the lot number printed on the inside of the end flap. If it is 8J191, 8J192, 8J193, 8J194, 8J195, 8J196, 8J197, 8J198, or 8J199 DO NOT USE and call Federal at 1-800-831-0850 or 1-800-322-2342

FYI - -
Johnny

Bullet
June 16, 2005, 01:40 AM
Hodgdon H4227 Recall

http://www.hodgdon.com/news/h4227recall.php

Mal H
July 19, 2005, 10:29 AM
Check your Alliant Unique 8 lb. containers for the lot numbers listed in the link below. A small amount of the 8 lb. lots may contain Bullseye and not Unique. :what:

http://alliantpowder.com/recall.php

Johnny Guest
July 19, 2005, 10:42 AM
Passed along from The Firing Line H&R Forum - - -
TFL Member bclark1 posted this one there. It is re-posted here, with our thanks:
Powder Recall! Check your 8 lb. containers of Alliant Unique.

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Well, I don't reload, but I got this in my box this morning so I figured I'd pass it along. I did do a quick forum search to make sure it's not a repost and it doesn't appear to be.

Quote:
From: legun-instructors
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: A L E R T!!! 'Unique' Powder Recall by Alliant
FYI..Recall . . . Please disemminate to any and all that you can and in
order to help prevent any damage or injury:

http://alliantpowder.com/recall.php

Product Recall

July 6, 2005

Product description: Unique(r) smokeless powder, LOT numbers 850, 859,
861, 868, 872, 876, 890, 898 and 907.

Warning:
Alliant Powder has determined a very small number of eight pound (8 lb.)
Alliant Powder Unique" smokeless powder containers may contain Alliant
Powder Bullseye" smokeless powder.

LOADING BULLSEYE" SMOKELESS POWDER INTO ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN WHICH
THE RECIPE CALLS FOR UNIQUE" SMOKELESS POWDER MAY RESULT IN HIGH
PRESSURE LOADS AND SUBSEQUENT GUN DAMAGE OR PERSONAL INJURY.

If you are in possession of an eight pound (8 lb.) bottle of Alliant
Powder Unique" with any of the above noted lot numbers, please
immediately cease use of this product and notify Alliant Powder by
calling 800-276-9337 or emailing reloading@alliantpowder.com

Lot numbers are located on the bottom of each bottle.
WHOOPS! Just noticed that Mal H already referenced this information above. oh, well, doesn't hurt to have the entire text posted here as well. Thanks, Mal.

P95Carry
October 7, 2005, 05:23 PM
AirForceShooter posted this in rifles forum - it is an ammo recall as against powder but seems like it could well be useful here too.


Fyi Ammo Recall
*PRODUCT WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE: ADDITIONAL LOT NUMBER ADDED TO SBST7
PRODUCT RECALL*



Olin Corporation, through its Winchester Division, is recalling three
(3) lots of its SUPREME 7mm Remington Magnum 150 Grain BALLISTIC
SILVERTIP (BST) centerfire rifle ammunition (Symbol Number SBST7).

*Lot Numbers (last four characters): VL82, VL92 and VM10*

Through extensive evaluation, Winchester has determined the above lots
of SUPREME BALLISTIC SILVERTIP ammunition may contain incorrect
propellant. Incorrect propellant in this ammunition may cause firearm
damage, rendering the firearm inoperable, and subject the shooter or
bystanders to a risk of personal injury when fired.

*DO NOT USE WINCHESTER SUPREME 7mm REMINGTON MAGNUM 150 GRAIN BALLISTIC
SILVERTIP AMMUNITION THAT HAS A LOT NUMBER ENDING IN VL82, VL92 or
VM10. The ammunition Lot Number is ink stamped inside the right tuck
flap of the 20-round carton as shown here:*

**

To determine if your ammunition is subject to this notice, review the
Lot Number. If the last four characters of the Lot Number are VL82, VL92
or VM10, return the ammunition to Winchester via United Parcel Service
(UPS). Securely pack the ammunition into a corrugated cardboard box,
write ?CARTRIDGES, SMALL ARMS ORM-D? on the outside, and ship to:

Olin Corporation ? Winchester Division
Tile Warehouse
Powder Mill Road, Gate 4A
East Alton, IL 62024
Attention: SBST7 Recall

Winchester will send you coupons good for replacement ammunition from
your local Winchester dealer.

This notice applies only to SUPREME 7mm Remington Magnum 150 Grain
BALLISTIC SILVERTIP centerfire rifle ammunition with lot numbers ending
in VL82, VL92 or VM10. Other Symbol Numbers or Lot Numbers are not
subject to this recall and should not be returned to Winchester.

If you have any questions concerning this SUPREME BALLISTIC SILVERTIP
ammunition recall, please call toll-free 866-423-5224 (U.S. & Canada),
write to the above address or visit our website at www.winchester.com.
<http://www.winchester.com./>

We apologize for this inconvenience.

pbhome71
November 15, 2005, 02:18 PM
From Accurate Arms/Accurate powder - http://www.accuratepowder.com/consumeralert.htm




Powder Type: 3100
Lot Number: 12002 (lot number on bottom of can)
If you have this lot number, please call

1-800-416-3006


Whoop.. sorry I didn't notice this on the top post. :(

taliv
June 23, 2006, 11:47 PM
buried on the last page of june 06 Handloader is this bit

1-lb containers of lot number 10328054230

"small number of 1-lb bottles packaged on march 31, 05 contain H-4198 instead of 4227"

claims it would cause low-pressure unsafe condition taht could result in bullets taking up residence in the el barrelo

TenRing
July 19, 2006, 07:54 PM
I didn't see this so I thought to post it:

Product Recall

Powder: AA-4064

Lot Number: 14202 (lot number on bottom of can)

If you have this lot number, please call:

(800) 497-1007 or (800) 416-3006

Source: http://www.accuratepowder.com/consumeralert.htm

TenRing
July 19, 2006, 08:11 PM
Reload Precaution:
It is a standard recommendation to reduce our listed maximum powder charge weights by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. If you have our Reloder 22, lot 25083, it's important that you follow this recommendation.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/images/caution.gif

TenRing
July 19, 2006, 08:17 PM
Apparently vihtavuori-lapua has Corrected the entire page of 30-30 Winchester data:
http://www.vihtavuori-lapua.com/download.asp

We have updated Page 22 with corrected data for
.30-30 Winchester.

alan
March 24, 2007, 01:34 AM
Re Alliant Unique Recall

I'm using an 8# container of the above purchased within the last year or so. Lot number on my powder is NOT one of the lots mentioned in posts here and elsewhere. Conversations with Alliant people so confirmed.

Interestingly, and this is based on MY EXPERIENCES ONLY, I have heard stories from others, current Uniqie in 9mm Luger (9 x 19) lead bullet handloads produces chronograph readings considerably highier than were produced by older lots of Unique. I noticed this when shooting a NEW CZ 75 compared with results obtained in a Star Model 30 and a Browning HP.

Also, the latest Lyman loading manual, it's quite a large book, shows powder charges with Unique much reduced from those listed in their 45th Edition. Seems to me that the additional velocity, close to 200 ft/sec chronographed has to come from somewhere, greater pressures, I cannot say, but the velocities came from instrument readings. Admittedly only a small sample was included and only in the one caliber mentioned. I've reduced powder cxharges from 5.2 grains of older Unique to 4.0 grains with current powder. I still get a power factor for IPSC shooting of 127, 125 in minimum for minor Caliber. A new CZ75, pehaps 500 rounds, likely less than that, functions perfectly with the above mentioned powder charges.

Groups well, functions properly, uses LESS powder, who's to complain?

moosehunt
February 9, 2008, 03:37 AM
Enough IMPORTANT info here to give a 48+ year reloader the heebie jeebies!!!

I just checked my RL22 from which I just loaded 100 rnds of pretty much max loads. I'm OK, thankfully.

Thanks all for the info!!!!

alan
February 10, 2008, 02:40 PM
A passing thopught re propellant and ammunition recalls compared to/with recalls with other products including automobiles.

Took quite a while, and many legislative battles to convince auto makers of the value, worth and need for vehicle recalls, as I remember. Seems to me that ammunition and propellant makers simply went ahead and took the indicated corrective action, when they found or thopught they had found problems. Funny, isn't it?

ReloaderFred
July 25, 2008, 09:17 PM
This was posted on the Alliant website recently: http://www.alliantpowder.com/safety/safetynotice.htm

"Alliant Powder periodically reviews and tests their published reloading data to verify that our recommended recipes have not changed over time.

During the latest review Alliant Powder discovered that Alliant Powder's Blue Dot should not be used in the following applications:

Blue Dot should NOT be used in the 357 Magnum load using the 125 grain projectile (Blue Dot recipes with heavier bullet weights as specified in Alliant Powders Reloading Guide are acceptable for use).
Blue Dot should NOT be used in the 41 Magnum cartridge (all bullet weights).
Use of Blue Dot in the above cases may cause a high pressure situation that could cause property damage and serious personal injury.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause and appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter."


Hope this helps.

Fred

Hairballusmaximus
November 10, 2008, 07:19 PM
Reguarding the Blue Dot powder, if my memory is correct( I cant find the article to be 100% sure) they stated that it was for projectiles 125 grain and lighter for the 357 loads.

Unfortunately, I read it a little too late and am having to dismantle 494 110 grain hollow points. Cases are sticking in the cylinder.

zinzan
April 21, 2009, 11:57 PM
none are a problem for me as I just snort the stuff

cliffy
April 22, 2009, 12:13 AM
Recalls generally over-react to minor defects: I've found IMR Trail Boss Cheerios within my Hodgdon Clays powder more than once. NO Big deal! These powder structures are close to the SAME burn speeds. I actually tried to remove some Cheery little O's of Oats. Then I realized that the end result meant NOTHING performancewise. BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders. H4350 and RL-25 are extremes of burn rate, and are NOT compatible in performance! cliffy

sniper1259
September 17, 2009, 09:33 PM
i remember a .44mag in 31 peices that i saw in a gun shop on display once, the caption at the bottom said "one too many +P+ super hot loads, former owner survived, still has one good eye and one good hand"
must have been his most embarasing moment, he skipped the first rule of reloading, SAFETY!! and got caught by the physics of pressure!!

this law of physics DOES NOT CHANGE FOR ANY REASON, EVER!!!

if a manufacture of powder is willing to go thru the embarasment of a recall. we have the duty as responsable reloaders TO LISTEN!!!!

a recal IS embarasing!! they have to own up to a mistake and then correct it. this is usualy expensive in terms of time money and customers.

dont just "blow"it off when they say they have a problem, or when you find IMR anything in some other powder that you already know shouldent be there!!

"BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders" is very true. and the speeds are so fast the result is a loud boom.

according to some of my info obtained from a National arsonal (dont ask which or how i got it) WIN 231 is very similar to the powder used in .45 ACP and 9MM rounds used by our military. (this is why i wont tell where or how) but 5 grains of 231 in a .45 ACP burns in about .00012 seconds or 1.2 1/10,000 sec. resulting in about 750 fps on a 230g bullet. this is not the actual load used by the US Mil. but close.
the 9MM with the same load of 5 grains 231 under a 115 FMJ spire point burns in .00008 sec. you will notice it is faster due to the smaller cartridge size and the pressure rises faster contributing to the faster speed of the burn as well.

these were done with machined Quartz glass chambers much like the testing done on engines in the automotive industry, and costs about $15,000 per shot. not cheep!!

i for one intend to keep my head (and other body parts ) functioning for the rest of my life and will heed the "opps factor" of a recall.

oh, and i checked most of the links given here, some are not working, some are, i figure some of the recalls are over for the some not working.

be careful !!! iv been reloading for over 35 years with no probs yet and i intend to keep it that way.

alan
September 18, 2009, 02:16 PM
In my opinion, for whatever that might be worth, readers should pay close attention to the now and then powder and or loaded ammunition recalls, as same are NOT lightly undertaken by powder and or ammunition makers. They are serious warnings, not casual utterances of public relations flaks. Enough said.

Marlin 45 carbine
September 19, 2009, 12:19 PM
can anyone expound on the Blue Dot caveat for the .357? and are magnum primers called for with this powder?

orrwdd
November 27, 2009, 01:18 AM
I recently read elsewhere that some of the new production powders require slightly reduced loads in the manuals due to new formulas etc.

I recently returned to the shooting sports after a 5+ year hiatus due to medical problems and have several pounds of Alliant and Accurate powders on hand.

If there is anyone else out there that have old powders on hand, I plan to use the old manuals to determine loads when reloading with my existing powders.

Bill

P95Carry
November 27, 2009, 10:43 AM
Two comments - Marlin 45 - not sure of meaning of ''caveat" - maybe I didn't read back far enough. Anyways, JMO but Blue Dot is somewhat on the edge for .357 if loads get heavy - bit fast perhaps. I would not think mag primers necessary. I f a wish to push top loads and add mag primers then slower powders like 2400, N110, H-110 etc would be keeping pressures more within limits.

orrwdd ....... re your question. - I have been reloading near 30 years and have always had some old stock powders in use but reached the stage periodically where I have replaced stock with newer production of same designation. Indeed everything suggests there can be a difference between latest version and the old.

IMO tho I reckon that if you do not load to max previously then probably you can continue to use your old loads. That said if a load is ''up there'' already then I reckon it'd be wise to back off - say - 5% and re assess with tests.

One example of major change in physical appearance was 2400 - my old stock was almost a flake powder which in .44 mag always left unburned flakes (good at getting under revo star!) ........ whereas new stuff is a fine almost micro tubular/rod shape. I used that for some .44 mag loads (forget charge right now) and because original load was a good bit below max just carried on using new stuff with same charge - did not notice any significant differences tho it burns much cleaner.

Re manuals ...... I still use Lyman 47 and Speer 13 a lot and these are not that old but also I have load data going back 2 or more decades for Hercules, Vitavhuori etc. There is little doubt that comparing old loads with new, manufacturers have backed off - maybe for legal reasons - such that most recent loads are probably ''safer''. So new powders with new load data probably stay well safe but - old load data could be much nearer limits and so care advisable with using those with new powder production.

If in doubt - play it safe and if using old data then I think the 5% reduction approach could be worthwhile just so as to establish safe limits. This maybe is most important with the fast "Bullseye" type powders.

birdshot8's
February 20, 2010, 01:47 AM
after reading this sticky, i checked a container of h4227 i bought a while back. the container was not stamped with a lot number but had an orange adhesive sticker on the bottom of the can with a 11 digit number. would this be the lot number?

mmorris
June 4, 2010, 07:29 AM
Yes, I called about the orange sticker on a can of Win 231 and it breaks down like this:

80323102390
8=container size in pounds
032310=date (Mar 23, 2010)
2390=Lot#

alan
June 5, 2010, 11:16 AM
another aspect of this gun powder (propellant) business, older versions v. new versions with altered formulations and differing burn rates is lot to lot variation in current production runs.

An example of this is the following, personal experience loading 30-06 ammunition, using the then available DuPont IMR 4895, which I used to buy in "bulk", 20# drums when such were available.

Going from one container/lot number to another, different production lot, I noticed "sticky bolt lift" in some loads, and what appeared to be slight primer cratering, nothing "serious" but curious. Brass, primers and bullets were a constant. I reworked the load, ending up with a charge REDUCED by about 1.5grains. Lot to lot variations are something to consider.

Jim F. Barham
September 15, 2011, 10:27 AM
Jim, member. I need a little help on reloading for 9mm. 8th ed. Hornady handbook shows 124gr. fmj-rn, using Unique, 4.0 - 5.0 gr., while Speer handbook shows 5.2 - 5.8 gr. This variation perplexes me. I have been reloading for over 40 years, and recently got a Dillon 550B. I reload for 7 calibers, but using the Hornady figures, i have had several failure to eject because of insufficient power. Anyone out there willing to help? Thanks, guys.

NCsmitty
September 15, 2011, 09:06 PM
Welcome to THR, Jim F. Barham.

You'll likely have a better response if you post your questions in the reloading section.

I recommend using the data of the people who make the powder. They seem to correlate with the Speer data.

www.alliantpowder.com



NCsmitty

P-32
December 17, 2011, 09:15 AM
can anyone expound on the Blue Dot caveat for the .357? and are magnum primers called for with this powder?

Speer and Blue Dot have been having problems for years. A little back ground....Speer 9 had 357 Blue Data, Speer 10 did not. It seems they got too light on a couple of bullet weights and damaged some guns.

Speer 11 came out with new 357 Blue Dot data and holy batman, it was HOT! Way over hot. I had a buddy who had a barrel seperate from his frame. I use Blue Dot for my favorite 357 load and it works well. Middle of the road in a Speer 9, below starting loads in a Speer 11. It seems there was a problem with the load with 125 gr. bullets. I'm not sure what happened, but I think they damaged a pistol with their super duper #11 Blue Dot data.

Looking at a Speer 13, there is Blue Dot data for the 357 Mag. The data is much more sane it seems.

For example, Speer 9 had starting load of 13.5 grs and a max load of 14.5 grs of Blue Dot for a 125 gr. HP bullet using a CCI 500 primer.

Like I said Speer 10 had no 357 Blue Dot data in any bullet weight.

Speer 11 had 14.3 starting with a max of 16.3 grains of Blue Dot with the same 125 gr HP using a CCI 500 primer.

I don't have a Speer 12, but the Speer 13 listed 11.5 grs starting with a max of 13.0 grs. of Blue Dot for the same 125 gr. HP bullet using a CCI 500 primer.

Just for grins, a Nosler #4 listed a starting load of 11.8 grs and a max of 12.8 grs of Blue Dot with a 125 gr bullet and CCI 500 primer.

An old Sierra manuel showed for the 125 gr. bullet a starting load of 13.2 with a max of 14.9 using a CCI 500 primer.

An old Hornaday reloading manuel shows a starting load of 10.4 grs with a max of 13.7 grs of Blue Dot with a 125 gr. HP and using a Federal 200 primer.

If I remember right, ,Blue Dot would get almost explosive or detonate if too light of load. I do know using Speer 9 data for a 125 gr. bullet would make the sun light seem dim compaired to the flash of the Blue Dot.

I also think I remember a warning in the Speer 9 about reducing the recommeded load for the 146 gr. half jacket as the jacket could come loose in the bore.

I find it interesting there have been no complaints from Hornaday or Serria about Blue Dot but still extreme from one end to the other with one max at the others starting.

Blue Dot uses standard primers, as it is easy to light. I use mostly Federal pistol primers as there has been a little spring work done. Blue Dot does not need a heavy crimp, only a light one if any.

blarby
February 22, 2012, 04:52 PM
Hornady Recalls 7 Lots of 500 S&W 300 grain FTX
Custom Pistol Ammo

Grand Island, NE Hornady Manufacturing announced the recall of seven lots of 500 S&W 300 gr. FTX Custom pistol ammunition. Hornady ballisticians have determined that some cartridges from Lot numbers 3101327, 3110256, 3110683, 3110695, 3110945, 3111388, 3111885, may exhibit excessive chamber pressures. Use of this product may result in firearm damage and/or personal injury.

Product Recall Details:
Item number 9249
500 S&W 300 grain FTX Custom Pistol Ammunition. These lots were shipped between September 9, 2010, and October 17, 2011.

Included Lot Numbers:
3101327
3110256
3110683
3110695
3110945
3111388
3111885

Samari Jack
May 16, 2012, 07:37 AM
Opps, posted on wrong thread.

Doc Loch
October 10, 2012, 12:48 AM
Regarding Blue Dot and the .357, I have had exactly the same problem with the 125 gr jsp! Now I know why! Backed out primers and sticking cases in the cylinder! YIKES. Time to dismantle. I thought that I had made some error somewhere! I've been using online manuals since!

blarby
October 24, 2012, 08:49 AM
SAFETY WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE
Product Safety Recall Notice

Warning - Do Not Use

Remington 338 Lapua Magnum

250 Grain Scenar Match Ammunition Lot Nos. L13SA29L, L13SA29R, L13SB29L, or L13SB29R

Remington has determined the above lots may have been improperly loaded. Improper loading may cause malfunctions which may result in damage to the firearm, serious personal injury or death.

DO NOT USE

Remington 338 Lapua Magnum 250 Grain Scenar Match Ammunition Lot Nos. L13SA29L, L13SA29R, L13SB29L, or L13SB29R

To identify Lot numbers:

For CASES, the Lot Number is stenciled on the outside of the case; and,
For BOXES, the Lot Number is stamped on the inside flap of the box.
If you have any of the ammunition identified above, immediately discontinue use and contact Remington at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3. We will arrange for return shipment and, upon receipt, will send replacement ammunition at no cost.

If you are unsure if you have one of these Lots or if you have mixed boxes of ammunition, please immediately discontinue use and contact Remington.

For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return product, contact the Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Safety First

Always observe the Ten Commandments of Firearm Safety and wear approved eye and ear protection anytime you are shooting.

September 19, 2012.

http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/safety-center/safety-warning-recall-notice-Remington338-250Gr-Match.aspx

blarby
April 30, 2013, 10:19 PM
AMMO RECALL

5.56 Winchester recall.

symbol zgq3308
Lot wcc10m106-004


Propellent/wrong

M855 pene's / m855 ball 62 gr

only lot recalled

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