Shootin' Blanks (John Kerry will come armed with a shotgun )


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October 31, 2003, 08:33 PM
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/9530.htm

SHOOTIN' BLANKS

By DEBORAH ORIN
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October 31, 2003 -- DEMOCRATIC presidential wannabe John Kerry will come armed with a shotgun when he goes hunting for votes tomorrow in the little Iowa farm town of Colo.
Kerry plans a bird hunt, but the pheasants probably don't have to worry much - it's a made-for-media special and reporters are bound to give plenty of advance warning with the sound of tromping feet.

In fact Kerry's biggest worry could be making sure he doesn't repeat George W. Bush's long-ago gaffe - when he first ran for Texas governor, Bush went gunning for doves and instead shot a protected kildee songbird.

But it's a sure sign of changing times when Democratic wannabes like Kerry and Howard Dean feel the need to show they have hunting in their blood while courting the liberal activists who pick their party's White House nominee.

Will the image of John Kerry, Huntsman, shooting down a few pheasant really change votes?

"It makes it easier for a person like myself who likes to hunt. It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn't going to go after your typical normal shotgun," said Iowa farmer Ryan McKinney, a Kerry backer whose corn and soybean farm was picked as the scene of the hunt.

Ryan's dad, Keith McKinney - speaking by cell phone from atop his combine with his 18-month-old grandson while getting in the end of the corn harvest - wasn't so sure. He said wryly: "Politicians do funny things sometimes."



And so we have Kerry boasting about how he shot woodchucks at age 8 and Dean touting himself as an avid outdoorsman and sometime hunter who won the National Rifle Association's backing when he was Vermont governor.

In fact, a few years ago Dean signed a Vermont law to create special deer and turkey seasons for kiddie hunters aged 15 and under, saying: "This is a great bill. Any time we can get kids interested in hunting, it's a good thing."

What's going on under the surface is that quietly, some of the key emotional hot-button issues that boosted Democrats in the 1990s - abortion rights and gun control - are fading as the country moves toward a consensus.

In each case, intriguingly, technology seems to be key to changing the debate - computer gun checks and pre-birth sonograms.

Sharp divisions over gun control have faded as computers make it easier to do instant checks on gun buyers - and harder to demonize all gun owners and hunters as dangerous thugs who are to blame for gun-toting urban gangs. In fact, ardent gun-control advocates Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-L.I.) united with two NRA allies, Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) and Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), on a recent plan to plug holes in gun checks.

Democrats learned the hard way in the 2000 presidential race that hunters are a strong constituency in key swing states; many Democratic analysts believe Al Gore lost because he alienated them unnecessarily.

Hence John Kerry's hunting trip.

Meanwhile, public support for unrestricted abortion has faded as sonogram technology advances and produces a clear image of the fetus from the womb - maybe even with a smile, as some researchers claim.

Now the abortion battle centers on restricting late-term abortions like the "partial-birth" abortion ban that President Bush is about to sign. Polls leave no doubt that a strong majority of Americans back that ban.

Bush took care to note that he won't push for a total abortion ban because the country doesn't favor it.

As a Democratic strategist notes: "The problem for us on choice is that people don't feel a threat right now [to abortion rights]. If there were a Supreme Court nominee, that would be different."

Polls also show a majority back laws requiring young teens to tell their parents if they're going to have an abortion - after all, parents worry about making sure any medical procedure is done by the best doctor.

That leaves Democrats arguing the minority side on the abortion fight if they support "partial-birth" abortions (as most 2004 contenders do) or argue against requiring minors to notify their parents before having abortions.

Both abortion and gun control were issues that Democrats used very skillfully in the Clinton-era 1990s to appeal to suburban soccer moms and professional women, arguing that Republicans seek to invade bedrooms and arm creeps.

Now that those issues are fading, the intriguing question is how both Democrats and Republicans deal with the new hot-button issue that seems to be emerging in this election cycle - gay marriage.

So far, none of the leading Democratic contenders supports gay marriage - which puts them in line with Bush on the fundamental question, though the Dems are more supportive of civil unions.

The key question to watch could be whether Bush seeks to turn gay marriage into a big issue, especially if Howard Dean - who signed Vermont's civil-union law - becomes the Democratic nominee.

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mattd
October 31, 2003, 08:40 PM
Bush went gunning for doves and instead shot a protected kildee songbird.

Did he eat it?

El Tejon
October 31, 2003, 08:46 PM
matt, no, he picked it up and paid the fine later.

Rule #4 applies everywhere, even in Tejas where one can shoot anything for any reason.:D

Hazwaste
October 31, 2003, 09:47 PM
"It makes it easier for a person like myself who likes to hunt. It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn't going to go after your typical normal shotgun"

Yeah that's right. Keep hoping that he won't go after your innocent shotgun while those evil-looking black rifles and those sinister deer (sniper) rifles are beaten into sculptures. But then when the Demoncrats are done with those, just who do you think they're going after next? Do you REALLY believe they'll stop short of total confiscation if given the opportunity?

If we don't hang together Mr. Shotgun Hunter, we will most assuredly hang separately.

Pilgrim
October 31, 2003, 10:13 PM
Can you imagine the support a politician would get from gunners if he went to an IDPA shoot?

Pilgrim

Mark Tyson
October 31, 2003, 10:56 PM
Yeah, those gun grabbers they just LUUUUUUUUUV the hunters don't they? But we can't trust you with serious guns, oh no. Stick to your bread and circuses, pleb.

Standing Wolf
October 31, 2003, 10:58 PM
Letting representatives of the Democratic (sic) party anywhere near the nation's civil rights is like having a mild temporary case of A.I.D.S.

cordex
October 31, 2003, 11:14 PM
It makes it easier for a person like myself who likes to hunt. It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn't going to go after your typical normal shotgun
I hunt, but I don't own guns to be a hunter.
Politicians who run around the woods with cameras and an over-under shotgun once every few election cycles make me more nervous than one who is honest that they don't like guns.

NIGHTWATCH
November 1, 2003, 12:57 AM
Kerry is a low down whore who would do anything, say ANYTHING, DO ANYTHING (including selling his mother) to gain power. :fire: I trust him as far as I can throw him.

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cracked butt
November 1, 2003, 01:13 AM
I love it when democRATS stumble all over eachother to prove who's the manliest manly man. Anyone recall Gore hiring a feminist to try to teach him to be an Alpha male? :barf:

MicroBalrog
November 1, 2003, 03:57 AM
You don't get the important part: even the important politicos are trying to suck up to us now. They fear us.

Ten years ago, the politicos jumped up and down to prove how anti-gun they are. Today, they are jumping up and down to prove the reverse. Yes, I don't trust most of them, but hey, we've made progress here!

Press on, folk! Freedom and fully-automatic weapons in our lifetime!

Mark Tyson
November 1, 2003, 07:11 AM
"It makes it easier for a person like myself who likes to hunt. It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn't going to go after your typical normal shotgun," said Iowa farmer Ryan McKinney, a Kerry backer whose corn and soybean farm was picked as the scene of the hunt.

Do you know how deadly a "normal, typical shotgun" can be at close quarters? After they've confiscated handguns they'll go after these.

Idiots.

El Tejon
November 1, 2003, 08:06 AM
Micro, from your mouth to Yaweh's ears!

Waitone
November 1, 2003, 08:36 AM
I don't think they fear us. I think they respect the political power we temporarily possess. Rest assured Kerry and his ilk will do everything possible to nullify our power using any means possible.

Fear will become a factor to Kerry et al when they perceive gun control is being rolled back. When we begin combing through all state and federal laws looking to strike ineffective, unconstitutional, our counter productive laws then fear becomes a factor. Not until then.

Mark Tyson
November 1, 2003, 08:42 AM
When we begin combing through all state and federal laws looking to strike ineffective, unconstitutional, our counter productive laws then fear becomes a factor

That would be damn near all of 'em, huh?

ReadyontheRight
November 1, 2003, 10:50 AM
"...It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn't going to go after your typical normal shotgun,..."

YET.

Kharn
November 1, 2003, 10:50 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031031/capt.dcn10210312208.dean_kerry_guns_dcn102.jpg
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, aims his double-barrel shotgun while hunting pheasant near Colo, Iowa, Friday, Oct. 31, 2003. Kerry charged Friday that Democratic rival Howard Dean has a history of pandering to the gun lobby by opposing a ban on assault weapons. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

Does anyone else think the pheasant have nothing to fear? That stance seems about as bad as Clinton's 'duck rifle' or whatever his hunting slip-up was.

Kharn
[Woohoo, post #1500! :D ]

cordex
November 1, 2003, 12:19 PM
Kharn,
He was probably just listening to the folks who say "You don't have to aim no stinkin' shotgun. Just point it in the cardinal direction of your target and it will be blown through the nearest plate glass window, if the duck doesn't drop dead of a heart attack while you're racking the slide."

Kharn
November 1, 2003, 12:21 PM
Cordex:
So he's seen an action movie or two? :D

Kharn

cordex
November 1, 2003, 12:31 PM
So he's seen an action movie or two?
Or read some stuff on the innernet.
Or been to a gun shop.
Or been to a gun show.

toro
November 1, 2003, 01:20 PM
I am not a hunter. Although I am not opposed to hunting and have taken a groundhog and some starlings in my time.

The only smart person in the picture of Kerry, was the hunting DOG. He looks like he is hauling out in the opposite direction. Notice his tail. Maybe the dog is trained and knows a dangerous hunter when he sees him.


Mrs. Toro


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boltaction
November 1, 2003, 01:51 PM
Yeah, after the Dem's (not to mention Rino's from the CA Gov'r elect to John McCain to many of our local Md Rino's) are done banning our integral lock-free handguns that are too small, too big, too scary, too plastic, too "stupid", or whatever, and then get through with our semi-auto long guns, and then our high powered rifles, they will realize that 12 gauge shotgun slugs are massive behemoths with OD's around .50 caliber or larger...by then, there won't be many ( legal) gun owners around to help out farmer Ryan. When will they learn. Hopefully, his father will instill some sense in him.

Oh, yeah, I forget to add. Even after all that, the Dems 'n' Rinos will STILL say they support our "gun rights". And if ANY of us believe them for a minute, we deserve them.

Boltaction

MicroBalrog
November 1, 2003, 01:54 PM
boltaction - by the way things are going now, methinks in twenty years from now we'll be hunting with 25mm bolt-actions.:D

Mark Tyson
November 1, 2003, 02:05 PM
I'm surprised Kerry's not "spray firing" a gun from the hip.

Monkeyleg
November 1, 2003, 05:57 PM
I'm not a shotgunner, but it seems that having the butt on his bicep and wrapping his left hand around the barrel isn't exactly proper form. Nor is squatting like he's about to "pinch a loaf."

I can't believe that some people get sucked in by photo-ops like these.

Kharn
November 1, 2003, 06:03 PM
Monkeyleg:
His grip on the forearm is also just flat-out wrong. He wouldnt be able to see the bead with his thumb on the rib. :rolleyes:

He looks like he should be holding a spear or something, not a shotgun.

Kharn

cordex
November 2, 2003, 01:29 AM
Might he still be bringing the gun up?
Not to defend him or his technique, but ...

MicroBalrog
November 2, 2003, 01:31 AM
Might he still be bringing the gun up?

Yup, that's what I thought.

geegee
November 2, 2003, 02:03 AM
I can't believe that some people get sucked in by photo-ops like these.
What's amazing to me is that the political advisors for these people are willing to spend the time and money to showcase these orchestrated events. Do they actually believe anyone with a strong interest in firearms at all would see this shown on the evening news and actually think "Boy, I've been wrong about ol' (Kerry, Clinton, whoever) all along. There he is...right there, enjoying a bird hunt, just like me and my hunting buddies " :rolleyes:

What a bunch of maroons. geegee

Khornet
November 2, 2003, 07:09 AM
Anybody see it?

It's not partial birth abortion, it's "partial birth" abortion, with scare quotes, as if the nature of the procedure is a matter of point of view.

Not to debate abortion here, just pointing out how the liberal position is assumed to be the default position of the rational mind by the press.

c_yeager
November 2, 2003, 07:20 AM
What you dont see is our gun-rights friendly hunting "consultant" suppressing his laughter behind the camera operator. Score one more point for the good guys. SOMEONE showed that poor dude to hold a shotgun like that and that fellow is all ACES in my book.

Dan from MI
November 3, 2003, 04:46 PM
I'm a shotgunner. I can't stand John Kerry. All I have to say is that I sure hope he fired the gun with the butt of his shotgun resting against his bicep...especially if it's a 12 gauge.


Reminds me of Mikey Dukakis(A fellow Taxachusetts elitist) and the tank.

cordex
November 3, 2003, 07:04 PM
Do they actually believe anyone with a strong interest in firearms at all would see this shown on the evening news and actually think "Boy, I've been wrong about ol' (Kerry, Clinton, whoever) all along. There he is...right there, enjoying a bird hunt, just like me and my hunting buddies "
No. They don't give a flying speck of zebra feces about non-government employees who have a "strong interest in firearms".
They are advertising for Joe Voter who maybe has an old .22 or shotgun in his closet.
They are playing to the exclusively >$10,000 shotgun crowd who are scared they'll have to give up some of their doubles that cost several times more than my car, but otherwise fully support the platform of the candidate in question.
They are pandering to the once-a-year hunters who grab a gun, blast away at critters and go home complaining that it was an act of god that made him miss, never thinking that it might have been the fact that the gun has never been sighted in or if it was, it has never been practiced with.

They aren't trying to get firearms enthusiasts to support their candidate, they're trying to help a few slightly conflicted folk to rationalize their vote.

w4rma
November 3, 2003, 10:00 PM
Shotgun in Hand, Kerry Defines His Gun-Control Stance

COLO, Iowa, Oct. 31 — Senator John Kerry blasted away at Howard Dean on Friday, accusing him of currying favor with the National Rifle Association and opposing an assault-weapons ban that Mr. Kerry and other supporters of gun control fought for in the 1990's.

Then Mr. Kerry took his 12-gauge shotgun and blew two pheasants out of the sky in two shots.

Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat running for president, has been an off-again-on-again hunter since the age of 12. He arrived at lunchtime for a long-planned pheasant shoot here on the cold plains of central Iowa.

http://nytimes.com/2003/11/01/politics/campaigns/01KERR.html
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031031/capt.dcn10110312154.kerry_iowa_dcn101.jpg
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry, left, inspects a pheasant with Ryan McKiney, right, after Kerry shot the bird near Colo, Iowa.

MJRW
November 3, 2003, 10:12 PM
McKiney is a brave man standing so near Kerry while holding an evil black 12 guage automatic hip spraying bullet hose o' doom. I'm surprised the rifle didn't give itself up much the same way they fire all by themselves.

Kharn
November 3, 2003, 10:19 PM
Too bad nobody caught a pic of Kerry holding that repeater.

Did the International Criminal Court approve of the pheasent's death sentance? Did it get all the appeals it was entitled to? Did it get honorary French citizenship?

Kharn

Hutch
November 3, 2003, 10:34 PM
I may sound petty, but I don't believe Kerry could hit a bull in the ??? with a handful of popcorn, much less a pheasant with a shotgun. Reckon where he found those? Road kill perhaps, or maybe he had a "ghost shooter" with him.

CGofMP
November 3, 2003, 10:49 PM
Do not make nice with the enemy at the expense of your friend, even if the enemy offers you your own desire, for later he will come anew and steal from you what he already stole from your friend in exchange for your support.

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Jonesy9
November 4, 2003, 10:01 AM
being that Kerry has killed a few vietcong at close range with an M16 I would think he can handle a double barrelled shotgun.


I'm a Kerry constituent but not by choice. I'm no fan of his politics or his gun grabbing ways but there is plenty to respect about him. He was a very effective prosecutor when he was in the DA's office. He did his job and prosecuted criminals and never tried to use a big case for PR.

The smear tactics used against him aren't based in reality but I understand why they are neccassary and effective but in this case I can't bring myself to promote them.

I was raised in a military family and was taught a few things about respect. I guess since Kerry has always been my senator, I know too much about him to falsely denigrate and debase the man with dubious accusations and innuendo without feeling guilty.

I'm sure those here smearing him have military records more like Bush's than Kerry's so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by their actions.

Oh well, Kerry sucks the big one on guns! This will never change. Bush also sucks on the AWB but at least his minions are pre-occupied with their other agendas and won't be trageting gun owners for politcal points.

greyhound
November 4, 2003, 12:04 PM
Anybody ever notice that Kerry looks like the portrait of Jackson on the $20 bill?

Hazwaste
November 4, 2003, 01:27 PM
Maybe if he was shooting at babies the socialists would find his hunting trip more acceptable.

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