[dlon21]

Hey everyone, has anybody here ever thought of started a thread like this? I don't have any competitions in my club, nobody shoots BP here. So maybe it would be cool to shoot, post the scores here, with pics if need be? I only have a couple original cap-and-ball .44s to use but they work ok :)

Anyone up for it? 13 shots, the best 10 shots count. Or anything you other guys here will suggest. Let me hear your thoughts and ideas.

// Daniel ''sveede'' :p

[alemonkey]

I'd be up for it. Maybe a paper plate match for cap & ball revolvers like the ones held over in the Rifle section?

[mykeal]

How about a postal shoot? We each shoot a specified course of fire and PM the results to you; all shooting must be completed by a certain day, say the end of the month. The next day you post the scores. Honor system, of course. Nobody will know what the others have done until the day after the competition closes.

Suggestion for the first match: Long guns, percussion or flint, sidelock or underhammer (no inlines), any caliber, any projectile, iron sights only, offhand standing, 5 shots at a 50 yard slow fire bull. One fouling shot allowed but not mandatory, two sighting shots allowed but not mandatory, then 5 shots for score, mandatory.

We could have a separate class for scoped inlines if desired. Same thing for revolvers or single shot sidelock/underhammer pistols.

[Oyeboten]

Sounds good...


Regular 8 inch Paper Plate...75 Yards...one-handed...


12 Shots...best 'Ten' count...

[4v50 Gary]

Someone want to volunteer to be the judge?

[alemonkey]

I'd vote for 50 yards and not 75 because my club has a 7, 25, 50, 100, 200, and 300 but no 75 yard range :D

I like mykeal's suggestion. Most of the postal/internet matches on THR focus on group size. I think it would be neat to actually score this one on a standard bullseye target. If someone could find one that's available for everyone to download that would work great.

As far as someone being a judge, how about each entrant takes a photo of their target and emails it to the judge? If no one else wants to do it I'd be willing to be the judge.

[mickdk2]

Sounds like fun! count me in for a revolver shoot. The next two weekends don't look too good though. Kinda busy.

[TomADC]

50 yards with a handgun one handed sounds like a tough match, maybe 25 yards, I'd be up for a 50 yards off hand rifle match.

[jbkebert]

Well if I can't use my inline I'm just not going to play with you guys anymore.:D

Sounds like fun but can the inline folks play to in a seperate division?

[husker]

ill go inlines with ya. i have 2. 100 yards best 10 out of 12. looks like i need to get a camera

[BCRider]

I can CAD up an 8 inch target and save it as a PDF so you'll have your pie plate target. Just let me check on some way to host it for downloading.

And since it's an internet match with no prizes other than bragging rights if there's even two of any sort of gun then there's a class. Right?

The big question will be how to score them. Scanning the targets and emailing the scan to the judge would be the likely option. Other than that as square on a picture of the target as possible.

If the scoring will be based on grouping size instead of regular bullseye and ring zone scoring then I'm thinking that the target should be a circle but in the circle would be a grid of 1/2 inch squares. This would give a better gauge for sizing the groups where a ruler isn't really practical to use given the oddball size of pictures and scans that would come flooding in.... well OK.... dribbling in.... :D Otherwise there's no lack of targets suitable for download. The 800minipalma shown 1/3 way down the page at http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html would work not too badly.

[higene]

Let the games begin.

Higene

;)

[dlon21]

Of course we need many different classes, only thing that's really needed are participants. For the C&B revolvers I'd suggest 25 meters, on the international 25 m precision target? Are these the same targets roughly elsewhere too?

http://www.pistolskytteforbundet.se/viewNavMenu.do?menuID=31

That's what I mean about the size of it. 25 yards is all we have at my range!

Then there should be other classes too, but all I have to show for are C&B weapons. This seemed like a cool thing to do, and would enable me to get to the range more often.

[dlon21]

4V50Gary ''Someone want to volunteer to be the judge? ''


Why don't just you volunteer? You are a MOD and all, and the most trustworthy person on here perhaps?

[BCRider]

Ideally I'd guess that the targets should be mailed to the judge so that all the paper tearing can be more easily evaluated to determine where the holes actually are. Along that line I guess the targets should be backed up with some cardboard for shooting so the paper targets don't tend to rip.

25 yards was bad enough for old man eyes and old man nerves. Now you want it to be 25 METERS? Geez, I'll be lucky just to be able to send in a target with all 6 holes on the one sheet....... :D Still, I'm up for the challenge.

As for the match itself may I suggest that we be allowed to shoot, say, three targets per gun and send in the best of the three? Again it would be on the honor system since there's no other way to make this work. And perhaps only one gun per class? Otherwise given the collection of some folks the weight of perforated paper needing to be mailed may result in the poor mailman getting a hernia.

Moderator or not this entire process would depend on the basic honesty of every shooter as well as the person that volunteers as judge. Even with multiple guns to enter I can't see more than 100 targets in total needing to be measured. There isn't THAT many of us here in the BP forum after all. But I think it's fair to say that signs of powder burns would be grounds for disqualification.... :D

I guess we'll need to put together a list of gun classes and see if anyone can find a class that's missing. Also would we want to break it down into bore sizes as well?

[dlon21]

BCRider, that's why I suggested the 10/13 shots. Isn't that some international standard?


Cap and ball; Army, Navy, and Pocket classes?

[mykeal]

No, no, no. You guys are getting off target. No pictures.

First of all, not everyone has a camera. Let everyone participate.

The idea behind using a standard 50 yard slow fire rifle target is that it's pretty much universally available from a local box store. Second, scoring the target is something everyone can do, even if you've never done it before. We can simply provide instructions on how to score it. Finally, we don't need to see the evidence. How about just trusting everyone to be honest about what they shoot? You shoot according to the agreed course of fire, do your own scoring, PM the score to one person (not a 'judge') so the scores are not public, then they're all published at one time for everyone to see. This is supposed to be a fun thing, not a big competitive match about who's big daddy.

[madcratebuilder]

I second mykeal's suggestion. All in favor.

[mykeal]

I'll start this thing off. First of all, as the match official, I don't get to participate in the shooting (well, not publicly at least - it wouldn't be fair since I'll see the scores as they come in. I'll probably shoot just to see how I'd do, but I won't publish my scores as part of the match)

I'll do one match with one set of guns; someone else can do one with a different set. I'll do rifles at 50 yards offhand; I suggest Walkers only as another group, scoped inline rifles as another, .36 cal revolvers, etc. You get the idea.

The deadline is midnight EST, Oct. 25 2009; scores will be published on Oct. 26 or as soon after that as I can get to it (we have relatives visiting for color tours that weekend, so it may be a couple of days...)

Course of fire for long rifles:
Sidelock or underhammer percussion or flintlock ignition only
Iron sights only
Any caliber
Any projectile
50 yard rifle target (I'll publish details later tonight)
50 yard distance to target
Offhand standing (handicapped shooters may be sitting but no rifle rest allowed)
One fouling shot, not mandatory
Two sighting shots, not mandatory
Five shots for score, must be consecutive
15 minute time limit on 5 scoring shots

Results must be PM'd to me here at THR forum no later than midnight EST Sunday, October 25 2009. Results must include THR screen name, type of rifle (sidelock, underhammer, flintlock), brand name or builder if known, caliber, load, projectile and, of course, score.

If anyone needs instruction on how to score a target, PM me.

[4v50 Gary]

Mykeal has the ball and is running the show.

I'm busy with the book project. The dustjacket needs to be finished and sent to the printer. Instead of having it shipped here, I'm going to fly to Michigan and U-haul them back.

[BCRider]

At last, someone that knows the rules for this sort of thing. I'm with mykeal on all his suggestions as it makes it easier for the person directing the match.

However, and hopefully this would only be a cut and paste, I think for those of us that have never been exposed to how to score a target of this sort that a full description would be in order here in public to save you PMing or emailing to some dozens of folks. I'm certainly one of them.

I'd be willing to coordinate this for the revolver crowd. The main classes would be by caliber with a special class for the "Big Gun Class" Walkers and Dragoons. The qualification for the "Big Gun Class" being that you'd have to use some agreed on minimum "proper" Walker class charge rather than mickey mousing in small loads. I'd rely on you Walker and Dragoon owners to come to some agreement but I'm thinking at least 40 grns.

I'll enter the stuff into a spreadsheet and further break down the .36 and .44 results by category of major models of gun (1851, 1858, 1860 and "other") just so you can see how you did against other similar models. Obviously multiple guns will be allowed but lets limit it to one per model or two per model if you have both calibers or the list will get crazy long from the looks of some of the collections.

Mykeal, it's your option to include yourself or not of course but since this is purely a fun thing and on the honor system in any event you shouldn't feel like you'll be breaking some sort of trust rule.

For the revolver match I'd need some guidance on the rules for shooting. Freehand of course but do we want to do this one handed or two handed? I'm inclinded to say one handed bullseye style just because that's how target matches were shot back in the day. And what about range to target? Frankly 25yards seems like a long way for one handed shooting but I'll bow to the wishes of the masses. I'm more inclinded to say 20 yards. Or what distances did they shoot at the old events? As for the ranges with target butts at set range is it not possible to set up your own wood stand for this one time special at a set range? Let me know your thoughts on these and other revolver matters in the next day or so and we can hammer down a standard for this part.

[NobleSniper]

Well, I guess I am almost ready to pour for myLarge barreled Richmond rifled-musket and of course the Walkers are loaded up already...... sounds like fun and a good way to get out and see what that new toy of mine will do. A good friend of mine belongs to a club with a 300 yard range and I want to see how she shoots there as well :D

[NobleSniper]

large revolver............100 yards as anything less is a waste of powder :D

[sltm1]

For revolver shoot's. Are we going to have powder minimums depending on caliber? Fixed sights and adjustable categories? And no "sweet chamber" shooting, meaning all your rounds can't be shot form the best tuned chamber?

[dlon21]

It could me neat if there was some rules concerning that. Last I competed I loaded up all six chambers twice and shot one single shot, making the count 13 shots. I load from a flask, with a 30 grain spout. No weighed loads or such. More like 'field conditions'. We also shot from 25 meters. We have to agree on the rules sometime :D

/ Daniel

[sundance44s]

I want to see pictures ...one picture is worth a thousand words .
I beleive nothing I read and only half of what I see.

[mykeal]

Long Rifle Match - targets and scoring of targets.

The 'official' target 'shall' be the NMLRA Single Bull Buffalo or Single Bull 100 yard. No, you don't need to have the real thing. And yes, this is a 100 yard target that we'll use at 50 yards. Some of us are old. Any target with rings of the following dimensions will qualify (all dimensions are ring diameters in inches):
X ring: 1 inch
10 ring: 2 inches
9 ring: 4 inches
8 ring: 6 inches
7 ring: 8 inches
6 ring: 10 inches
5 ring: 12 inches
The X, 10, 9 & 8 rings are all black on the NMLRA target, but any size black center is OK with me.

Scoring:
From the NMLRA Range Regulations paragraphs 10560 & 10570:
HOW TO SCORE–A shot takes the value indicated by the center of the shot hole. If this center touches one of the scoring rings of the target,
it is credited with the value of that ring...MISSES–Hits outside the scoring rings are scored as misses.
For each scoring shot: score the value of the ring the shot is in, considering the above rule. Misses count as zero points. For example, if the center of the hole is inside the 9 ring, that shot scores 9 points. Any shot whose hole center is in the X ring scores 10 points plus one X. The score for the target is the sum of the points for each of the 5 scoring shots, with the number of X's designated by a hyphen following the numerical score. For example, one hole center in the 9 ring, two hole centers in the 8 ring and two hole centers in the X ring would be scored as 9 plus two times 8 plus two times 10 equals 45, and the two X's would be shown as 2X with a dash attached to the 45: 45-2X. Now, in the above example, suppose one of the shots split the ring between the 8 and 9 rings; that shot would be scored as a 9 IF the center of the hole was on the ring; it would be a 9 if the center was inside the ring, and an 8 if the center was outside the ring. The edges of the hole do not affect scoring.

Any questions?

[BCRider]

Thanks mykeal.

For revolver the scores will be based on 6 shots. And I agree that the group must come from a single load of all 6 chambers shot in one go with no reloading between. The only out on this would be to recap in the event of a no-fire. No sweet chamber only shooting.

[Cosmoline]

Will there be a smoothbore category?

[mykeal]

Will there be a smoothbore category?
Hmm. Good question. My original thinking was rifled long guns only, but it'd be a shame to leave out the smoothbores or make them compete with the rifled stuff. I'll accept and separate the smoothbore scores in the final list if any are submitted. It'll be interesting to see how they compare. However, you're gonna have to tell me when you send in your scores if they're from a smoothbore - my ability to recall what guns are smoothbore and what guns are rifled is about as good as my ability to remember what I had for breakfast. Today.

By the way, there's no limit on the number of guns any one person can submit. Just keep them separate. One entry per brand and model, please; for example, if you have multiple examples of a TC Hawken in .50 cal please submit only one score for that gun. You can submit another score for a TC Renegade since that's a different model, or for an Investarms Hawken since that's a different brand.

Keep in mind there are no prizes for this other than bragging rights (which won't apply to any of us since none of us would ever brag, right?)

P.S. I got a PM with a scoring question, so I thought I'd answer it here. In my above example (one hole in the 9 ring, two holes in the 8 ring and two holes in the X ring) suppose one of the holes in the X ring actually had it's center just outside the X ring in the 10 ring - what would the score be? 9 plus two times 8 plus two times 10 for 45 points and 1X, thus: 45-1X.

The X ring is really a tie breaker. Both examples would be a score of 45, but the -2X would beat the -1X.

P.P.S. Bribes gratefully accepted but must be received before Oct 25. You guys have to be honest but I don't - it's my contest.

[scrat]

I will be the judge.


ok

start


Done judgement made

I WIN

[mykeal]

ATTA BOY! Good Shooting!

[missuramoss]

Just a suggestion I'm throwin out here.....I know times are tough and fuel isnt cheap....But maybe any forum member who lives in a close proximity to any other member, or contestant...could meet at a designated range, or place of mutual agreement. If three, or four, or even more contestants could meet up, pics could be taken, as well as videos, to be shown here, and fellow shooters here could have tall tales to tell their grandchildren!!

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

All revolver matches are 10 shots on paper at 25 yds and 50 yds. The
international match is 13 shots on paper at 25 yds. All shooting is with
one hand un-surported. The best 10 of 13 are scored. These are handguns
not handsguns. So one handed.

[alemonkey]

If anyone in eastern Nebraska wants to get together let me know. I shoot at the Izaak Walton range in Lincoln.

[dlon21]

All revolver matches are 10 shots on paper at 25 yds and 50 yds. The
international match is 13 shots on paper at 25 yds. All shooting is with
one hand un-surported. The best 10 of 13 are scored. These are handguns
not handsguns. So one handed.
Remember I started this thread, suggesting this for the revolvers? I feel like a little mosquito buzzing around right now, nobody listens =) ''Too many cooks spoil the soup''...

[Smokin_Gun]

THR BP web competition

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Hey everyone, has anybody here ever thought of started a thread like this? I don't have any competitions in my club, nobody shoots BP here. So maybe it would be cool to shoot, post the scores here, with pics if need be? I only have a couple original cap-and-ball .44s to use but they work ok

Anyone up for it? 13 shots, the best 10 shots count. Or anything you other guys here will suggest. Let me hear your thoughts and ideas.

// Daniel ''sveede''

Yep ya did start it Dlon, and all the "Anything else" is commin' through with flyin' colors :O)

[dlon21]

Yep you're right about that. Just hope we agree and settle on something. I think 'kwhi43@kc.rr.com ' has it right. The international standard is easy to use.

[Ratdog68]

Bet you didn't know you were gonna father an entire movement... did you? :D

[dlon21]

Nope. Shoulda kept it in my pants =)

[Ratdog68]

Hey... you "spawned" participation... that's a good thing. :evil:

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

For those of you who have never seen a International target, here is one.
These are shot 13 on paper with the best 10 score. This is shot at 25 yds.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/0069_filtered-1.jpg

[missuramoss]

How about contestants in the revolver match postin a few of their 25 yds range..one hand duelist style...pics....so maybe us rookies can see what we be shootin against......

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

Here is the wife's style of shooting the revolver
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/PauletteShootingRevolverPistol_0001.jpg

[missuramoss]

Is that a target model..? are they allowed..or are we just doin open sights..OK...I guess all classes are open huh?

[JamesKelly]

Since this thread was started by a Swedish gentleman who shoots revolvers at 25 meters, why not simply have him, and other European members, shoot 25meters on the appropriate international centerfire slow fire target? I think we would call that "NRA B-17 Standard Precision Target for 25 meters"

Those in North America have 25 yard ranges, inconvenient to shoot at 27.34 yards (25 meters). So we might shoot 25 yards on our NRA B-19 Reduced Precision Target for 25 yards.

Any percussion revolver, any iron sights.

Would that not be a simple way to start things? This forum is, after all, largely populated by percussion revolver enthusiasts.

[TomADC]

Black Powder at 50 yards first time out:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/18168454/371176714.jpg

[Mike OTDP]

Wow! This has grown big time.

If we're going to use the International rules, I'll point out that they are online at www.mlaic.org.

Short form: Best 10 of 13 shots. No sighters. 5-5-3 loading. No limits on trigger pull or caliber. Center-of impact scoring.

I suggest three categories of arm. Original, Reproduction, and Modern. Originals are just that - antiques. Reproductions are accurate replicas of original arms, particularly sights. Modern is anything else.

Right now, the MLAIC provides for two revolver events, plus an aggregate. 'Colt' and 'Mariette' are 25m events for original and repro, respectively. 'Malson' is 50m. 'Remington' is the aggregate.

If there is enough interest, I can bring some U.S. Team resources to bear.

[dlon21]

It doesn't matter to me. We can have someone of you decide how to shoot this, after all this is an American forum and American guns too =) Just looking forward too shoot. I will conform to you other guys.

[Das Jaeger]

Glad I dont understand why someone would want to shoot against someone else to see if they are better than same said gentleman or gentlewoman ?
Who cares !
I can outshoot all of you mongrels anywayz , so there :neener:
Ego driven is what it is . :banghead:

Blah blah blah . Jaeger :D

[JamesKelly]

As some of you have gathered, I have a simple mind.

13 shots best 10 sounds fine to me, load 5-5-3. Strange, to me, but fine.

Europeans, or those with 25 meter ranges, shoot the international 25 meter slow fire, centerfire (or whatever its called) target.

North Americans, or whoever has a convenient 25 yard range, shoot the equivalent NRA 25 yard target.

Might we just forget classes? Very few people shoot originals, so there'd be almost no one in our Swede's class.

I'd vote for one class, any percussion revolver, any metallic sights.

Just see what happens.

Maybe Tuesday I'll mark out a clear 25 yard mark on our range & do some practicing.

[mickdk2]

I agree with JamesKelly. Keep it simple, It's just for fun and some bragging right's.

[Smokin_Gun]

Best out a ten shots an 8" paper plate with a 3" bull in the center @ 25 yards ... Simple? hell I may try that. :O)

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

We don't shoot against other people to see if we are better than they are.
We shoot for the love of shooting and friendly compention. Hell I have not been able to beat my wife in 5 years. I know she is better then I, but I still
keep shooting against her. So do the other members of our club.We shoot for
the love of the sport. The only person you are shooting against is yourself.
You are trying to better yourself. It really doesen't matter what the other
guy shot. If you shoot all 10's and still get beat by a X or two. You had a
good day. No matter what anyone else did. There was one guy who won the
Nationals 11 years running. Did everybody just quit shooting because they
knew they couldn't beat him? Hell no. We are not little whinning babies.
Everybody just kept comming back each year and shooting. Trying to better
ourselves, Not trying to beat someone. Got to go, I got dishes to do.

[TedMo]

Can an Ancient Briton come and play? We are still allowed BP pistols/revolvers over here. We have some 25 yd and 25m ranges and MLAIC international targets. We are used to the best 10 / 13 shots and shot-hole halfway over the line to count up scoring. Also used to the 5-5-3 loading rule. (Neat this, because some old British revolvers were 5 shot, so can't do 6-6-1!)

[dlon21]

Okay fellas, let's see how this works out. PM if there's anything!

Daniel.

[Das Jaeger]

kwhi43@kc.rr.com We don't shoot against other people to see if we are better than they are.
We shoot for the love of shooting and friendly compention. Hell I have not been able to beat my wife in 5 years. I know she is better then I, but I still
keep shooting against her. So do the other members of our club.We shoot for
the love of the sport. The only person you are shooting against is yourself.
You are trying to better yourself. It really doesen't matter what the other
guy shot. If you shoot all 10's and still get beat by a X or two. You had a
good day. No matter what anyone else did. There was one guy who won the
Nationals 11 years running. Did everybody just quit shooting because they
knew they couldn't beat him? Hell no. We are not little whinning babies.
Everybody just kept comming back each year and shooting. Trying to better
ourselves, Not trying to beat someone. Got to go, I got dishes to do.

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Thats a bunch of poo I say . If you are just trying to better yourself , why would you shoot against , anyone ?
Do Olympic shooters shoot against others to only better themselves . BS :)
No difference here , its a competition for braggin rights , just admit it would ya . Not too me , to yourself . You cannot tell me your not trying to beat anyone and just better yourself, thats phooeee talk . You may better yourself in the process competing , but you can certainly do that alone . Oh for the love of the sport , blah blah .

Das Jaeger , thats my last post about it , I dont buy your bullarchy at all though .

[BCRider]

Well, I don't plan on crowing about my shooting but I admit to curiosity about how well I stack up.

In looking for what a 25 yard slow fire target looks like I found this site. I just got to get my big format printer running now so I can print it on 11x17. It'll do the same target on 8.5 x 11 but it cuts off the edges of the outer circle.

http://dotclue.org/targets

My offer to tabulate the revolver scores from everyone still stands. I'd also like to break it down to caliber and gun model just for giggles to see if any of the major types we have tend to come in at somewhat more accurate to shoot than the others.

In light of that PM's with the following format cut and pasted into the PM would be nice.

Username-
Score-
Brand-
Model-
Ball size-
Powder load-
Cap brand and #-

[JamesKelly]

TedMo--I am about to get some National Rifle Ass'n (ours, not yours) B-19 25/50 yard "reduced UIT target". You might want to contact me off-site, jkellymetal@gmail.com

I ass-u-me these are proper for us with 25 yard ranges (you Britons still remember yards, don't you? Thnk you invented them) to compete against those with 25 meter ranges. Who would use B-17 25/50 meter targets.

Meter. That's a French invention, no?

Best 10 of 13 shots, load 5 + 5 + 3 is fine with me. Kinda weird from the US viewpoint, but not at all a problem.

I most humbly suggest that for American THR guys to accomodate International Standards in this respect can enrich the forum, enhancing its appeal internationally & getting more viewpoints.

But all I know about targets is what I read on the internet. Haven't a clue what "UIT" means.

[Mike OTDP]

UIT = Union International de Tir. It's the old name for what is now the International Shooting Sports Federation, which governs competition with cartridge guns worldwide.

[BCRider]

That B19 seems awfully big at around something like 19 inches in diameter for the outer ring. I thought we were after an 8 inch "pie plate" sized target? Although I suppose it would catch the fliers....

[dlon21]

Here's the first shoot I did at 28/9 with my Colt m1860 original.

I haven't measured my target though, but you know it's the international target used worldwide. I shot 82. I had; one x, two 9, five 8, two 7.

Discarded a six and two fivers. Obviously I forgot to put in a new target, I'm senile at 25 years of age :barf:

Load used was FFG wano, from a 30gr spout. .457's, and RWS 1075. A little grease sometimes.


http://s695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/dlon21/?action=view&current=4.jpg
http://s695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/dlon21/?action=view&current=3.jpg
http://s695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/dlon21/?action=view&current=2.jpg
http://s695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/dlon21/?action=view&current=1.jpg

// Daniel

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

Here is a example of what can be done. Not by me, a good friend of mine shot
these last year at the Nationals. One is 13 shots on the International target
The other one is 10 shots on a standard 25 yd target. Yes the International
was shot with a revolver. I shot in the same relay as these were.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/Intrenational-horz.jpg

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

Oh, I did not post these targets to intimate anyone, just as a goal. To show
what serious compention really is.

[JamesKelly]

This is what I did Tuesday, on our common B-16 25 yd slow-fire pistol target. 71, discarding (I like this part) three 5's. Guess I would have had trouble with an 8" pie plate.

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq240/4JamesKelly/Sept29PostalTarget002.jpg

Stainless Ruger Old Army, 33 grains FFFg Swiss, nominal .457 cast balls, very old 1075 RWS caps, Oxyoke Revolver Seal (grease disc). Temp 56F, very light rain. Mosquitos too tired to bite.
One 5, four 6's, two 7's, one 8, two 10's
I have some International 25/50 yard targets on order, to be comparable to dlon's next time.

[JamesKelly]

Hey, kwhi, what type of revolver was used?

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

Ruger

[bigbadgun]

ok so is this gonna happen I think I want in

[mykeal]

Have not received any scores from long gun rifle shooters. Is anyone going to shoot that class?

[TomADC]

Have not received any scores from long gun rifle shooters. Is anyone going to shoot that class?

Can't get to the range for another week or so, plan on posting a target then.

[Phantom Captain]

mykeal,

I'm very interested in shooting that class as per your instructions. I'm hoping to do one with my Pedersoli 1861 Springfield with minies and one with the .54 Hawken (patched RB) my father built.

I just hope I have time to get out and do it before the deadline. My next three weekends are booked so I might have to get it in just under the line if possible.

[bigbadgun]

I am going to shoot long gun and revolver but since I have had my hawkens .50 I have yet been able to get it to the range. So the first is gonna be a build up of the load. then I can worry about showing off. LOL

[mykeal]

Nothing magic about the deadline. We can certainly extend it if anyone wishes. I was thinking that we're getting into the firearms deer season, so people would be out hunting instead of going to the range, but there's no problem in adding a few weeks or days. Let me know what you'd like.

[kanook]

13 shots best 10 sounds fine to me, load 5-5-3. Strange, to me, but fine.

Europeans, or those with 25 meter ranges, shoot the international 25 meter slow fire, centerfire (or whatever its called) target.

North Americans, or whoever has a convenient 25 yard range, shoot the equivalent NRA 25 yard targetSo if I get to the range this weekend, is this what I follow?

[Smokin_Gun]

kwhi43@kc.rr.com if those are your targets, you can't play :O)

[sundance44s]

SmokinGun how about us joining in when they add the format Bean cans and Creamer bottles ...how bout shooting from the hip , I shoot better when I move .

[JamesKelly]

So, Mykeal, Dlon & I have started it off.

For pistol, just to get things going, how about
No Classes
One-handed
25 yards
International Rules - best 10 of 13 shots. No sighters. 5-5-3 loading
Any caliber
Center-of impact scoring

Report make of gun, sights, and load.

Tuesday, weather permitting, I'll try again.
This time I have those nice big unwieldy International reduced 26/50 yard targets.
They are available from midwayusa.com, but as a patriotic Michigander I bought a Lifetime Supply locally at pistoleers.com

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

No, No, Those are NOT my targets. I don't shoot like that, never did. That
was just a example of my friends serious pistol shootin.

[Mike OTDP]

I'll be participating, but it will take me a few days. Something about this pesky "work" business that keeps interfereing with my shooting schedule.

[A. Walker]

Never mind

[TomADC]

Okay I'm going to the range Wednesday I shoot a 8" bull at 25 yards 13 shots offhead correct?

[Smokin_Gun]

SmokinGun how about us joining in when they add the format Bean cans and Creamer bottles ...how bout shooting from the hip , I shoot better when I move .

Count me in on the Water Jugs 100yds. and Bean can & Creamer bottles 50yds or less...

I have saved up plenty a targets... :O)

[dlon21]

I just got my hands on a .58 cal minie rifle. Anyone have any shooting in mind for one of these guns?

[patch&ball]

So what are the results of your competition?

[kanook]

never happened.

[Sagebrush]

How about a fun Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Shoot.
7th Annual Sagebrush BPCR Match in Alliance Nebraska. 2 days 80 rounds.
2009 had 119 shooters from all across the US.
Here's a flier:
http://www.sageoutfitters.com/multimedia.html

[scrat]

ok went out yesterday. Guess what i forgot. The extra targets. So here is what a half box of round balls look like through a target. there are 2 on the stand.

Using Walker 55 grains Goex

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/gag/2-3.jpg
after putting cover on center
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/gag/244.jpg

Using 1851 Pietta 44
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/gag/22-1.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q77/scratm3/gag/233.jpg

[Forklift]

Since nobody can agree on anything, I'd like to show you all how us Tennesseeans do it. Over at TGO, they've been doing competitions like this for quite a while now. The rules are simple, forgiving and effective. I recommend similar rules for several different categories of shooting by type of weapon without aiming aids (this includes benches and rests). So, have a thread dedicated to Walkers, another to 1858 rem's, etc.

The monthly thread:
http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handguns/39779-tennessee-gun-owners-monthly-shooting-contest-may-2010-a.html

The original thread:
http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handguns/12985-monthly-tennessee-gun-owners-shooting-contest.html

The downloadable target:
http://postalmatch.googlegroups.com/web/TGO+Postal+Match+Target.pdf?hl=en&gda=iR_BAU4AAACHhvLLJkAXzvuWLAN_HG8roICG0MQZJNEYJnu6-ZOtmqsIKE2386IwYXiClUCxxoXeq16gZ8oq654CChCzatEB47Cl1bPl-23V2XOW7kn5sQ&gsc=XzhZrAsAAAAUW3dW9x8eUa_8_MUucgra

[thomaskyper]

The answer for the problem of finding a good flint has been answered...a old man in PA designed and patented a mechanical flint that has a wheel !!
It has lasted some shooters 10 years before the wheels teeth dull...now that Tom Fuller has retired, this is truly the perfect alternative...I am the inventors grandson and make them contact me at hyperkyper@aol.com

[w30wcf]

Is anyone shooting the NRA Cowboy Silhouette with black powder?
If so, we could post our scores for a little friendly competition.:)

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/025.jpg

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