My new AK74 and a Question...


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N003k
September 26, 2009, 07:20 PM
Just got my new AK74, an Arsenal SLR-105, since it's in CT, it's the Ban Style....

Yes, yes, I know, pics...:P I've got one after the question lol.

My main question is, would I be able to (legally) put original foreign wood furniture on it? If so, where's the best place to GET the wood furniture?

If I can't put foreign wood on it, what would be the cost for a US made stock set, and where can I get it? lol


Pic's a bit large so....here's a link.

Pic (http://n003k.com/firearms/ak74.jpg)

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nalioth
September 26, 2009, 07:24 PM
No, you will not be able to legally use foreign furniture w/o changing out other foreign parts for US made ones.

Arsenal uses a US made butt stock, pistol grip, hand guard, trigger, hammer, and disconnecter as their 6 US parts.

If you change out the furniture, you'll no longer be 922r compliant.

PT1911
September 26, 2009, 07:34 PM
how many foreign parts are technically on the thing?.. as I understand it.. the US made part count is unimportant only the foreign part list must be under 10..... so...

N003k
September 26, 2009, 07:43 PM
...well, two answers that somewhat contradict themselves, and one that may very well change the answer lol....so, let me add another question, what exactly ARE the 922(r) requirements? And given them, would a (As far as I know) stock SLR-105 Ban Style allow the addition of a foreign stock set as such?

If the answer IS no....anyone know where I can get a good US Made wooden stock set? Preferably not too costly of one....

PT1911
September 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
well.. I have no idea what the part configuration is currently on your weapon... I am in the process of making additions to a saiga 7.62x39 it began its life with 14 foreign made parts.. I swapped out the stock, the forearm and will swap out the mag (body, base plate, and follower) this is a total of 5 US made parts replacing 5 foreign made parts bringing the foreign part count down to 9 which is < the 10 required by 922.

( I will actually have a total of 8 (stock, recoil pad, pistol grip,sling mount, forearm, and mag components) US made parts on the gun, but only 5 replaced foreign parts to bring the foreign count down,)

the first thing you need to do is figure out your part count. after that..it is easy to figure out..


unless of course I am wrong.


or you could just replace a current foreign part on your gun with its US made counterpart then it wouldnt matter if you got the foreign furniture.

N003k
September 26, 2009, 08:01 PM
Well, found out about 922(r), now just trying to find SOMEWHERE that says which of the Arsenals parts are US Made...

No more then 10 of these 20 can be Foreign made:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

dfariswheel
September 26, 2009, 08:06 PM
The best American made wood comes from Ironwood Designs

This is made in the USA by a one-man shop from laminated wood imported from Russia and Finland.
He also makes solid wood stocks from a variety of woods.

This is the best there is and is fully the equal or better than Russian or Bulgarian stocks and handguards.

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWDHome.html

He IS a one-man shop, so expect slow answers to questions.

Here's my Bulgarian AK-74 rifle's Ironwood laminated stock:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/dfariswheel/AK3.jpg

nalioth
September 26, 2009, 08:58 PM
The ban-style SLR-105 has 15 countable parts under 922r (it has no muzzle device).

On the ban style SLR-105, the furniture should have a "US" visible on it somewhere.

The other two parts will be in the FCG, and they'll be marked as well.

PT1911
September 26, 2009, 09:00 PM
well... the mag is an easy 3 parts... that is where I would start.... should have or must have? bit of a difference in the two words.

anyhow.. there are US made versions of the wood.. that would be two more pieces... so you would be set. down to 10 with those parts.

THE DARK KNIGHT
September 26, 2009, 09:01 PM
Is that stock done with RIT dyes or something else? What kind of sealing is that, matte or semi gloss?

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
September 26, 2009, 09:18 PM
Not to derail the thread but has anyone ever been charged under the 922 law?

Sam1911
September 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
the mag is an easy 3 parts... that is where I would start

As a rule of thumb, I don't like doing this. If you will always use ONLY U.S. made mags or mags you've built up out of US parts, fine. But, it puts you in the awkward position that if you ever insert a mil. surplus mag from any of the original manufacturing countries, you've violated 922(r).

Sure, sure, there seem to be no convictions on this point, and how unlikely are the circumstances under which your rifle would be inspected to the point of proving the violation -- but we should aim to follow the law, asinine as it may be.

Using the mags for your parts count just makes things unnecessarily complicated. I like to do what ever the rifle needs to be compliant on it's own so I can use however many of whichever mags I can buy cheapest.

Just my opinion, but it's something to think about.

-Sam

PT1911
September 26, 2009, 09:32 PM
not saying the mag should be what you count on to get to the necessary part count.. but it is one of the fastest and easiest ways to make the gun compliant. once that is done, other parts can be added later to make your posed situation nothing to worry about.

Sam1911
September 26, 2009, 09:44 PM
once that is done, other parts can be added later to make your posed situation nothing to worry about

Ahh, understood.

-Sam

AZAviator
September 26, 2009, 11:13 PM
congrats on an awesome purchase. Sorry I dont know much about the laws regarding foreign parts

N003k
September 26, 2009, 11:15 PM
<sigh> I'm going to save myself a ton of hassle, and just get a US made stock set.....probably from Ironwood Designs, it's about 4x the cost of the original surplus Bulgarian sets, but hey, it'll be brand new, and save me the hassle of figuring out if the gun's legal or not...

Thanks for the advice though everyone. And, even if it's caused me a bit of a headache delving into these laws, still love my new rifle haha.

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