Dry lubricant; non conventional


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Instantbacon
September 28, 2009, 12:25 AM
I have a springfield xd9 and love it to death. No doubt it is the best handling pistol I have ever shot and it carries very comfortably (I like the feeling I get when I wear it, I can always feel it, but never uncomfortable). Anyways, I work at an auto parts store that repairs bicycles and we have this dry lubricant for bicycle chains that contains PFTE. I have used the spray on lubricant on bicycles and it leaves a nice dry film that lubricates very well, and I was wondering if anyone has used this on their firearms. If anyone has a better lubricant, feel free to tell me what it is, and what its main ingredient it I would love to know. I just want to make sure its properly lubricated. Thanks for your responses!

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chevyforlife21
September 28, 2009, 12:34 AM
what is it the liquid wrench dry lube?

Instantbacon
September 28, 2009, 12:59 AM
Good question! We have the liquid wrench, and I examined the label and couldn't find anything conrete (that I recall), so I disregarded that as a good lubricant. I assume it is more like WD40 in that it is a wet lubricant that will not last long. The reason I asked about chain lubricant is because chains attract a lot of dust and I have always used chain specific lubricant because its dry (I work on bikes a lot at my job, but do not get a large selection on lubricants).

I have become very interested in lubricants and have studied alittle bit on molybdenum disulphide. I have called around some stores and haven't found any lubricants based on moly, but it seems like the perfect lubricant to me. I have heard of moly coated 5.56 rounds but never had any experience with them and it was only a passing glance at an article on ar-15.com.

I understand that PTFE is the same thing as teflon, and I am assuming that the majority of gun lubricants are PTFE based, can anyone comment on the effectiveness of PTFE vs. other dry lubricants like moly?

Isher
September 28, 2009, 01:10 AM
Sounds like we are talking about

Molybdenum disulfide here.........

Which in the late sixties was great for Viwi transmissions

And bicycle chains.

Pretty much lost track of it since then.

isher

chevyforlife21
September 28, 2009, 01:11 AM
well they make dry lube for guns. i too work on cars bikes etc... but unless its a cheap gun that you dont trust your life with i wouldnt use the all purpose lube. liquid wrench and wd40 arent the best for guns, while motor oil does work pretty good in certain applications. i usually just use breakfree clp its what the military uses on all their guns and you can pick it up at walmart for 4 bucks. clp is teflon it repels dirt to a good extent over other wet lubes.

chevyforlife21
September 28, 2009, 01:13 AM
are you talking street bikes or bikes?

Instantbacon
September 28, 2009, 01:16 AM
Bicycles, as in the human powered kind. I can understand the confusion, we are an auto parts-bicycle repair-appliance-auto repair type of store. A dying breed...

Isher
September 28, 2009, 01:17 AM
Chevy -

Didn't matter.

I was running a Viwi, a moto, and a bicycle.

That thar Moly kicked ass with all three.

isher

chevyforlife21
September 28, 2009, 01:18 AM
yea sorry i just re read it after i already posted lol. yea i have never heard of that type of store.

paralaska
September 28, 2009, 07:05 AM
I think the "white lightening" would be a little too dry. I use "ProLink" chain lube on my internals and rails.

TDR911
September 28, 2009, 07:16 AM
Brownells make a similar product called " Action Magic" I will have to lok it up and see what the ingrediants are. There are many lubricants that are far superior that a the normal petrolium based products that are generaly used and recomended by manufacturers. If you hvae access to registered SAE type test results and compare them, i am sure you will find many to choose from.

Noveldoc
September 28, 2009, 10:20 AM
Some of the popular lubes like WD40 are hydroscopic and tend to draw in some moisture. I do not know about dry lubes in this regards but take care.

Tom

BlindJustice
September 28, 2009, 11:41 AM
WOW - WD40 is NOT a lubricant, WD stands for water displacement
heck it's a mild solvent. and not recommended for cleaning
Motorcycle o-ring chains.

I'd check the heat range of any dry lube.

Randall

atblis
September 28, 2009, 11:51 AM
I know this sounds boring, but just follow whatever is in the manual. A couple drops of oil in a few key places. Breakfree from Walmart works just fine. Don't be fooled by the snakeoil salesmen.

BlindJustice
September 28, 2009, 11:57 AM
WOW - WD40 is NOT a lubricant, WD stands for water displacement
heck it's a mild solvent. and not recommended for cleaning
Motorcycle o-ring chains.

I'd check the heat range of any dry lube.

Randall

Quoheleth
September 28, 2009, 11:59 AM
I think the "white lightening" would be a little too dry.

The only "white lightening" I know if is very wet. While it is a lubricant, of sorts, if used in too excessive of amount, causes all sorts problems. :rolleyes:

Q

Walkalong
September 28, 2009, 12:18 PM
Yea, but you won't care. ;)


"Action Magic"
Is Moly based. Same as Smooth-Kote (http://www.sentrysolutions.com/sentry_solutions_product_detail.php?product_Code=91030) from Sentry.

BlindJustice
September 28, 2009, 12:24 PM
I use the lube that WIlson COmbat sells in the syringe type applicator
- great way to apply the lube.

Sorry about the double post, Intermittent Internet
connection and wasn't sure if it posted.

Randall

FWIW - WD-40

WD-40 is the trademark name of a water-displacing spray widely available in a variety of retail outlets. Developed in 1953 by Norm Larsen, founder of the Rocket Chemical Company, San Diego, California. It was originally designed to repel water and prevent corrosion,[1] and later was found to have numerous household uses.

WD-40 stands for "Water Displacer - 40th Attempt". Byatt was attempting to concoct a formula to prevent corrosion, by displacing the standing water that promotes it. In the process, he arrived at a successful formula on his 40th attempt.[1] WD-40 is primarily composed of various hydrocarbons.

WD-40 was first used by Convair to protect the outer skin of the Atlas missile from rust and corrosion.[1][2] The product first became commercially available on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.[1]

AND I asked some Bicyclists. - great to use in the rain on
bicycle chains but greasy - Boeshield T-9 works better
for THAT application.

R-

GRIZ22
September 28, 2009, 12:30 PM
I have become very interested in lubricants and have studied alittle bit on molybdenum disulphide. I have called around some stores and haven't found any lubricants based on moly

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1247

This link take's you to Dri-Slide gun lubricant which is molydendum disulfide based, Does it work? This is what I used in Vietnam. You'd squirt it on, the liquid vehicle would evaporate and you had a black film on the metal that wouldn't attract dust, sand, or dirt. I never had any problems with it on anything as a lubricant. It's value as a protectorant may be questionable but I only use it on internal parts.

I understand that PTFE is the same thing as teflon, and I am assuming that the majority of gun lubricants are PTFE based, can anyone comment on the effectiveness of PTFE vs. other dry lubricants like moly?

I can't say one is better than the other. I've used Break Free for about the past 25 years. I think Dri Slide is better at not attracting dust and sand though. The only reason I don't use it more often is that it's not easy to find and I have a couple of gallons of Break Free that will last a long time.

Dri Slide also makes a specific chain lube.

runner6m
September 28, 2009, 12:53 PM
I was wondering the same thing just yesterday. Saw some of that dry lube Liquid Wrench at the hardware store, and was curious if it held up to the heat of firearms. It says it has PTFE in it. If I need dry lube I usually use Remington's Dri-lube stuff, but this stuff would be a cheaper alternative. (if it works).

http://www.gunk.com/CAT_L512.asp

wally
September 28, 2009, 01:07 PM
I like the Dupont multi-purpose "Teflon" dry lube for the trigger parts and such. It works quite well on my 22 pistols and being dry doesn't "hold" the dirt like CLP, but I've pretty much stopped using it as after a few years it formed a yellowish gum that caused problems in cooler weather -- we don't get much of that around here, so I suspect it'd be really bad where you have real winters.

I'm back to Brian Enos' "Slide Glide" on the sliding parts and CLP everywhere else. I don't spend a lot of time cleaning guns -- I wipe them off. a dop of CLP or Tetra on the rails and return to the safe for next time only, taking them down when I start having problems. Any gun that won't go at least 1000 rounds without a proper cleaning quickly becomes a safe queen.

The only exceptions are the guns I shoot corrosive ammo with, these I have to clean immediately after every outing, which means they often get left home if I'm not sure I'll have time to clean them when I get home.

--wally.

cottonmouth
September 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
A Canadian soldier gave me a can of dry weapons lube the other day and said it workes great, I havent tried yet but might give it a try on my M9 at the range since I don't carry it.

J.B.

LUPUS
September 28, 2009, 01:32 PM
I have been using Würth's Dry Lube for a long time in my carry guns.
It is a very good stuff in my experience.

EOD Guy in VA
September 28, 2009, 07:51 PM
I find it's a great way to lube magazines without attracting dirt.
Remington (preferred) and Hoppe's sell it.

1SOW
September 28, 2009, 10:56 PM
Militec-1

"Lubricates with a dry synthetic molecular bond".

If the instructions are followed, it does what it says it will do and does it well.

After it has been heated it's very slippery and at the same time "dry" and doesn't attract crud. Powder residue wipes off easily where it has been applied.

It's primarily effective in friction areas including the bbl inside and out.

It's cheap to use because so little is needed, and even cheaper for military and ret. mil: FREE from the manufacturer.

Oh yeah, my son also uses it in his XD Service .45.



It doesn't say what's in it, but it curiously sounds similar to the auto oil additive used in "Slick 50". I believe that is "moly-be-damned".

I used "Dry-Slide" years ago on a bullseye .22. It worked well, but I haven't seen any for years...and years...and years.

JellyJar
September 28, 2009, 10:59 PM
Chevyforlife21

Way back when....I was working in a furniture store in Texas and our delivery guy carried guns for protection even though it was illegal then. He had a DS from Colt that he was lubing with motor oil and it completely froze up once. He had to soak it in kerosene to fix it.

On another thread I asked about that gold lube that Glock uses on their new pistols. It appears to be a copper based dry lubricant. Has anyone here tried that?

Shadow 7D
September 28, 2009, 11:12 PM
I'm curious now, would teflon tape or liquid teflon (thread sealer) from a plumbing store work?

I refinished some of my guns in Gunkote and use Remoil with teflon over an layer of Moly from an old can of "Molybdenum di-sulfide, epoxy, industrial finish" that I was given by an amourer in the army after working a detail spring cleaning the armsroom. (actually three can but the other two disappeared and I think that my old roommate was responsible, kept his ruger working like a swiss clock)

Works well and stays dry, if I'm going to the range I put acouple drops of CLP on the slide to wet it.

DBR
September 29, 2009, 12:08 AM
Moly works very well as a dry lube. It has to be burnished into the surface for lasting benefit. It provides no protection from moisture etc. The downsides are it doesn't normally stay in solution in oil and it is pretty messy. It tends to stay on anything it gets into like clothing.

Here is a formulation many seem to like:

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=128

The "copper" lube on new Glocks is Loctite C5 copper anti-seize (or something similar). It is intended for break-in only. It can be somewhat abrasive over time and is also pretty messy.

Shadow 7D
September 29, 2009, 12:18 AM
This stuff last a while, its basically moly spray paint and is a major pain to remove, bad enough that I got some that I'm waiting for the over spay to wear off.

powermad
September 29, 2009, 12:27 AM
I've been using Catapillar Molly paste for a while now.

Clean all sliding surfaces well and wipe down with paint thinner.
Heat with a blow dryer or such and using a q-tip apply it to the surfaces.

Assemble and work the action for a bit.
Disassemble and wipe off the excess.

Stays very slick for a long time.

Shadow 7D
September 29, 2009, 12:51 AM
I was looking at the plumbing teflon pipe dope (liquid), and it seems like it would work as a teflon lube, maybe a lot less expensive than a gun brand pure teflon lube.

P97
September 29, 2009, 07:59 AM
Eezox is a good moisture protector, and is all I use on my guns for Lube. Even my Auto's. Heres a test that was run by an individual.
http://www.rugerforum.net/showthread.php?t=16717

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