[THE DARK KNIGHT]

I think there should be a thread for "tactical" shotguns. By "tactical" I mean show me your red dots and 6 position collapsible stocks, lights, lasers, bayonets, CQB slings, rails, cup holders, all that "special forces" stuff. What's the most "tactical" you've seen?

[FFMedic]

This is pretty out there. I have a "mini-collection" of Mossbergs though so it's a neat piece.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6196/500knoxx.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/500knoxx.jpg/)

FFMedic

[gglass]

Mossberg 500A... Modified.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7097/mytac500a.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1081/500tacpov1.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/479/500tacpov2.jpg

[PT1911]

I like your setup Gglass... Simple yet functional and damn cool...


and that is interesting, to say the least, Ffmedic... havent seen a forend quite like that one.... is that a straight mag?

[Black_Talon]

http://www.black-talon.org/RKBA/SG/Tacticool_870_bling.jpg

[PT1911]

that will never work Black Talon... No ignition switch I have ever seen will stand up to a key chain that heavy.

[oneounceload]

This whole shotgun section is pretty much tactical threads........

[FFMedic]

PT1911, yes, Knoxx made both the 10 round drum and 6 round box mags for the Sidewinder system.

FFMedic

[gunnutery]

Nice pics on the Mossberg 500. I don't know what others think, but would it be a faster reload from the side saddle if the shells were facing up? I don't have a saddle on mine with which to try the theory.

[inSight-NEO]

I think there should be a thread for "tactical" shotguns. By "tactical" I mean show me your red dots and 6 position collapsible stocks, lights, lasers, bayonets, CQB slings, rails, cup holders, all that "special forces" stuff. What's the most "tactical" you've seen?


I think this "tactical" stuff needs to be broken down as such: a. "tacticool" and b. "practical" tactical.

After all, the term "tactical" seems to be fairly subjective these days. ;)

Nice pics on the Mossberg 500. I don't know what others think, but would it be a faster reload from the side saddle if the shells were facing up? I don't have a saddle on mine with which to try the theory.

Technically speaking, probably yes (assuming you mean primer side down). But, shell carriers (such as Mesa Tactical) may have issues when the ammo is stored primer side down over extended periods of time. In addition, Im thinking that shells stored primer side up would be far less likely to "fall out" during heavy fire. After all, you cant load shells (from a carrier) if they arent there!

[Fred Fuller]

Im thinking that shells stored primer side up would be far less likely to "fall out" during heavy fire

I never lost a round carried brass down out of a TacStar Sidesaddle in Louis Awerbuck's basic shotgun class. The ammo loadout for that class is still the same as when I took it- "Ammunition requirement is 400 Birdshot, 50 Buckshot and 70 Slugs." -- http://www.yfainc.com/courses.html

YMMV of course.

lpl

[inSight-NEO]

I never lost a round carried brass down out of a TacStar Sidesaddle in Louis Awerbuck's basic shotgun class. The ammo loadout for that class is still the same as when I took it- "Ammunition requirement is 400 Birdshot, 50 Buckshot and 70 Slugs."

Ok....Now, keep in mind I was merely stating the "possibilities" of primer side up vs. primer side down (just so others may be aware that such an issue may exist). I realize that there may not be a huge difference and certainly results may vary. But, I just try to stave off Mr. Murphy in as many ways as possible. Storing ammo (within a carrier) primer side up would be one of those ways.:)

[earlthegoat2]

400 Birdshot, 50 Buckshot and 70 Slugs

Youch, it would take the entire length of the class for me to use up all that ammo in my single shot. Everyone else would be in classroom and I would still be out on the zombie course.

[gglass]

Just to put everyone's mind at ease... I do in fact carry the shells brass down for quicker reloads. The brass is pointed brass up for the POV pictures. I thought it would look cool to have the "Winchester" roll marks showing in the pics... Instead of six plastic sphincters.

Thanks for the good words on my 500 build.

[RevolvingGarbage]

Ok, il be posting thse in all three shotgun pictures threads. Its, a pump action, (slightly) "tactical" home defense shotgun.

H&R Pardner Pump. 12 gauge, 3" chamber, 5 shot tube.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6530/1001419q.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/1001419q.jpg/)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4638/1001420xm.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/1001420xm.jpg/)



Added an ATI heat shield (because I have burned myself on the barrel before, but not after getting the heat shield), 5 round butt cuff, and painted the whole gun in 500 degree engine enamel for rust proofing.

It patterns buckshot nicely, given the cylinder bore, and shoots winchester foster slugs POA at 25 yards (the longest range ive shot them at so far), and most importantly, its action is slick and feeds anything you put in it (it feeds the brass rears cutt off the rest of the hull of the shell, no lie).

[Justin]

But, I just try to stave off Mr. Murphy in as many ways as possible. Storing ammo (within a carrier) primer side up would be one of those ways.

It's also much slower and requires more fine motor control to extract a shell from the carrier and load it into the gun.

[chevyforlife21]

what is that conversion kit on that mossberg called ffmedic?

[danweasel]

Although I am not sure how useful it will be, I am liking the heat shields on Mossberg 500s these days. Does anyone make a stainless one for my Mariner?

[PandaBearBG]

Nice shotguns, I think I need to add one on my list to buy.

I don't see why people bash the word tactical. Yes there are some overkill accesories that are pointless and too much. But if people don't thing tactical is the same as practical why do so many owners of AR's (90% of us do) have variable positions stocks or Magpul PRS's or rails, or forward grips or red dots? Why do the military have it? Because it makes it more easier to use and more versatile for different situations. It works and works well. Why do so many people take "tactical" training courses? You can call it carbine or pistol training but essentially it's a tactical course. If tactical wasn't practical we would all have 22" shotguns, 24" bolt rifles, and revolvers. I thought quick fast react, fast shooting, fast reload, higher capacity, shorter rifles were based of military needs of more "tactical" weapon systems. As well as high capacity auto loading pistols. Just because something works well for the military and civilian use picks it up and uses it does not make it non functioning or overkill. Take the M24 thousands have copied the setup from round to scope, does that make it "tactical'? Why doesn't every AR owner have an A2 stock and 20" barrel? Or why do they own a "tactical" rifle anyways?

A heat shield or a adjustable stock does not make something "tacti-cool" A cup holder? Yes. A red dot? Maybe you just aren't good with iron sites. A single point sling? Maybe, makes sense for a shorter rifle, but if you have one isn't that technically tactical? Firearms are always evolving and improving and sometimes getting the best and most proven makes the most sense. Otherwise we would all be shooting muzzle loaders and cowboy revolvers. Bash away....

[FFMedic]

Chevyforlife, it's called a Knoxx Sidewinder. No longer made so maybe check gunbroker?

FFMedic

[inSight-NEO]

It's also much slower and requires more fine motor control to extract a shell from the carrier and load it into the gun.


I am aware of this and do agree with the logic. However, the term "much" slower may be somewhat subjective. The rest Ill leave up to consistent practice. Regardless, Id rather count on those rounds being there when I need them vs. finding they have fallen out...regardless of the reason or how remote the possibility. Nothing wrong with applying the "better safe than sorry" principle.

Besides, if 4 or 5 rounds out of a SG isnt enough to deal with a "typical" HD encounter, well...a few more just may not make much of a difference anyway, ya' know? Ditto for the mere second or two you might save by grabbing for ammo stored primer down vs primer up.

Regardless of the speed concerns associated with various configurations when reloading from a carrier, the whole idea is to keep the magazine fed and a live round in the chamber at all times, yes? With either configuration, a few spare seconds should be all that is truly needed (when practiced).

So ends my somewhat "off topic" rant.

[gglass]

Cool Beans!

I just got back from the outdoor shooting range with my son. One of the main things I wanted to accomplish there was to get my Mossberg 500 sighted in to 50-yards. (My Mossberg is the one at the beginning of the thread with the Ghost Ring sights.)

It took about 7 rounds to get the Ghost Ring sights zeroed at 50-yards. POA/POI were dead on for two shooters shooting bench and off hand. I just could not be happier with the accuracy from a smooth bore shooting rifled slugs.

[chevyforlife21]

ffmedic: yes i remember that kit like 5 years ago. i knew it wasnt being made any more.

[Dee]

I would also be interested in knowing where to get a Moss mariner heat shield. Finally I am also looking for a basic light clamp that goes around the mag tube for a 1" diameter light. At that point I guess it should be "tacticool" enough.:)

[Justin]

Ok, I'll play.

Here's my 3Gun shotgun.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106602&d=1254702110

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106606&d=1254704911

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106608&d=1254705921

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Nice dude, I like that shell carrier on the handguard.

Mine's not really "tactical" but here's my HD shotgun it's a Mossberg 590.

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=106604&stc=1&d=1254702930

[Spirit 1]

Some great looking guns, guys!

PandaBearBG, according to some you're making a fundamental error: you are mixing thinking with imagination, as in "Who'd a thunk it?". Some folks just won't allow that, thinking outside the box.

They have no idea whatsoever that a guy packed full of heroin or crack can have his leg cut off with a dull handsaw and not complain. They simply cannot comprehend a single round of 12ga #8 birdshot not completely incapacitating a person. They have no idea just how bad some bad guys can be at 6'6" 345 lbs loaded on drugs, alcohol, brain damage & self-induced insanity.

To their narrow mind all encounters happen in broad daylight, or with all the lights on in the house, so tactical-lights are pure silliness. They imagine that just the sound of racking the slide will have any threat soiling his drawers & cowering in mortal fear. Side saddles are seen as plain stupid because they are totally incapable of reloading a shotgun themselves in the middle of a hot gunfight. Slings are a frivolity because everybody knows you keep a shotgun in a padded, zippered case until duck season, when you finally take it out and oil it, maybe. Short barrels are purely impractical for goose hunting. Custom stocks are a travesty because they think they'll be around after an attack to oooh & aaah over the swirls in the woodwork of their 30" 3 shot goose gun.

They also cannot imagine that bears: poppa, momma and 2 cubs, all at once and all hungry & insanely angry, can make for a very hectic and maybe short day if all you have is 4 shots.

Their famous last words after they suddenly get wised up the hard way are unprintable here.

[Gato Montés]

Sounds like someone's trying to rationalize all that money spent on nifty looking gadgets and gizmos.:D

Anyway, here's my "tactical" 870 express with "tactical" wood stock next to my VERY "tactical" external frame backpack.

[Spirit 1]

"Sounds like someone's trying to rationalize all that money spent on nifty looking gadgets and gizmos."

Well, if that's aimed at me, nope, you missed. My investment in my tactical shotgun is exacly zero but it's 100% effective for all intended uses. I guess it's true sometimes, 'It's not what you know but who you know'.

[GunTech]

My room broom

http://guntech.com/shotgun/m1s90.jpg

[Lincoln7]

Damn! Can we get some numbers on that, GunTech?

[Bababooey]

Stock 930SPX Auto loader


http://i36.tinypic.com/wmh45f.jpg

[PandaBearBG]

GunTech is would that be classified as a SBS or AOW? and where can I get one?

[Girodin]

I would think it would be an SBS as it has a stock and the barrel appears to be sub 18".

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Yes, it can only be an AOW if it left the factory without a buttstock and never had one installed.

[FFMedic]

And even is it was "born" an AOW it is now SBS.