Springfield XD45 at the Range


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warman
October 1, 2009, 03:37 PM
All I can say is WoW! I took it out for it's first spin, it is amazing. It's so easy to shoot and the sights are awesome.
I was a little worried about it not showing the hammer as I have a 9mm DA/SA, but I tell you it was like butter.
A very simple but amazing semi-auto, this one is now my favorite!

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/warmansfootball/Guns/xd1-1.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/warmansfootball/Guns/xd2-1.jpg

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CoRoMo
October 1, 2009, 04:08 PM
There's definitely disagreement as to whether or not the XD's trigger should fall into the DAO category.

I don't believe it is a DAO trigger system, but I do think it is one sweet gun!

ReloaderFred
October 1, 2009, 04:23 PM
I feel that way about all six of my XD's. They're all very accurate and fit my hand perfectly.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Mike J
October 1, 2009, 04:24 PM
I think the XD is closer to single action than double action but I like my XD-40 just fine.

warman
October 1, 2009, 04:29 PM
I saw it listed somewhere as double action only. I emailed Springfield about it so I can get the lowdown from the horses mouth. Whatever it is as you all have said - it's awesome. Can't wait to take her back out for another ride...maybe tomorrow. ;)

Gryffydd
October 1, 2009, 04:29 PM
The firing mechanism is technically single action as the striker is fully cocked by the slide. The trigger works and feels like a DAO. So take your pick.

warman
October 1, 2009, 04:48 PM
Well so much for Springfield, their answer didn't help me - can anyone else decipher it or is it nonsense? Maybe Gryffydd said the same thing.....
Q: Is the XD45 considered to be a double action only system?
A: "Good afternoon,
It is considered a striker fired due to the fact that you cannot see the hammer.
Enjoy the day!"

Seems to me whether you can see the hammer or not, there IS a hammer so why can't they just say SA or DA or DAO or whatever?

David E
October 1, 2009, 04:50 PM
Stupid answer.

warman
October 1, 2009, 04:53 PM
Here are a few of my targets at 10 yards (there's also 9mm & 357 mag shots on there -that's another thread- sigh) - upper left is single and double hand grip so is upper right. Lower left is double only....
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/warmansfootball/Guns/93009c-1.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/warmansfootball/Guns/93009d-1.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/warmansfootball/Guns/93009e-1.jpg

Mike J
October 1, 2009, 05:01 PM
I think Springfield calls it a Universal Safe Action in the owners manual IIRC.

Gryffydd
October 1, 2009, 05:58 PM
Supposedly* the XD has been eliminated from eligibility by some law enforcement agencies that do not allow single action only designs--the fact that it's externally indistinguishable from DAO designs be damned. You can argue the relative qualities of each, but it sure isn't much different than the Glock trigger in the grand scheme of things.

I don't see in the context of your question whether it matters what the "hammer" is shaped like or whether you can see it.

I think Springfield calls it a Universal Safe Action in the owners manual IIRC.
God bless marketingspeak.

warman
October 1, 2009, 06:05 PM
I was just reacting to Springfield's answer to my question. They said "you cannot see the hammer", so that's what I was commenting about.
My point was if there IS a hammer, then they should have answered my question but instead they gave me an answer that really didn't answer what I asked them.

CoRoMo
October 1, 2009, 06:07 PM
I've also seen retail listings of the gun as a DAO system, but it just can't be in any way.

Q: Is the XD45 considered to be a double action only system?
A: "Good afternoon,
It is considered a striker fired due to the fact that you cannot see the hammer.
Enjoy the day!"

I don't think they could have not answered the question in a more senseless way!:banghead:
I can't see the internal hammer on the 642... is it striker fired then?:rolleyes:

Gryffydd
October 1, 2009, 06:09 PM
warman, I agree with you totally. I was just trying to figure out how, based on your question, they even got onto the topic of whether you could see the hammer and whether it was striker fired or not...

sanerkeki
October 1, 2009, 06:11 PM
They are good gun's. Easy to shoot easy to clean:)

warman
October 1, 2009, 06:14 PM
Gryffydd, no problem I misunderstood. That's the exact reaction I had when I received the email - lol. I replied to them and asked if the striker fired system is considered single or double action.
I can't wat to see how they reply to that...

warman
October 1, 2009, 06:15 PM
sanerkeki (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=85212) you are absolutely right, I cleaned it today. I thought my Ruger was easy until I cleaned the Springfield..;)

scurtis_34471
October 1, 2009, 06:58 PM
The IDPA considers the XD to be a SAO design, which is why you cannot shoot an XD in Standard Service Pistol.

warman
October 1, 2009, 07:03 PM
Thanks scurtis_34471 (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=34836) , why couldn't Springfield just say that.
By the way, I just bought some awesome stuff for my revolver from Ocala Armory, I was impressed...

ChuckB
October 1, 2009, 11:38 PM
The OP just raved about his new XD45, and this is what it's turned into.

OP, congrats on the XD!

Chuck

warman
October 2, 2009, 09:47 AM
Here is a follow up from Springfield on my question. According to her they have invented a whole new type of gun firing mechanism.

Q: Is your striker-fired system considered singe or double action?
A: Good morning,
It is not considered single or double. It has its own classification of
being a striker fire pistol.
Enjoy the day!
Trisha
Customer Service Representative
Springfield Inc
1-800-680-6866

Wow, I didn't know I had space-age technology! Boy am I lucky! And for such an inexpensive gun.

possum
October 2, 2009, 12:24 PM
i love my xd service model 17,000rds and still going strong, i couldn't be happier. glad you like yours.

warman
October 2, 2009, 01:31 PM
Wow possum that's a lot of rounds! Thanks.

GuidoTorpedo
October 2, 2009, 02:04 PM
Does it have the ability to fire on a primer that didn't go off? Or do you have to rack the slide and eject the "dud" round?

Gryffydd
October 2, 2009, 02:32 PM
You have to rack the slide, but only half an inch or less. It does not eject the round.
Not that I would bother with that. If it's a dud once it likely will be again. Shuck it outta there...

Col. Plink
October 2, 2009, 03:31 PM
XD45 has some interesting (and possibly superfluous?) features. You cannot fully rack the slide without engaging the grip safety, allowing inspection of the chamber and apparently re-cocking the block&trigger if the above post is accurate.

It has a visual/tactile 'cocked' indicator on the back of the slide, but for the life of me I can't figure out why. I cannot think of any condition where there could be a chabered round without being cocked. The only situation I can think where it would not be engaged is after a dry fire. Even reaasembly requires bringing the slide all the way back, as does loading of course. So why there is a 'chamber loaded' indicator AND a 'cocked' indicator I couldn't tell you.

That said, my XD45T is a great shooter in every sense (and holds 14 rounds).

David E
October 2, 2009, 04:47 PM
The IDPA considers the XD to be a SAO design, which is why you cannot shoot an XD in Standard Service Pistol.

Let's not bestow upon IDPA the status of "final arbiter" concerning firearm mechanism defintions, since logic doesn't necessarily rule the day at IDPA HQ

For example, why do they exclude the XD from Stock Service Pistol (not "standard service pistol") yet allow the M&P in that same division?

David E
October 2, 2009, 04:51 PM
XD45 has some interesting (and possibly superfluous?) features. You cannot fully rack the slide without engaging the grip safety, allowing inspection of the chamber and apparently re-cocking the block&trigger if the above post is accurate.

The grip safety must be engaged for the slide to fully retract to the rear. Some see this as a major flaw in the design, but I sure can't think of a situation where this would be a problem. Even if you were naked just out of the shower and had to rack the slide with one hand, the grip safety would not prevent this.

possum
October 3, 2009, 12:32 PM
Does it have the ability to fire on a primer that didn't go off? Or do you have to rack the slide and eject the "dud" round?
no second strike capabiliy and honestly i don't know why antine would want it. if you are a well trained handgunner than you will automatically tap,rack and get back in the fight when you hear/ feel the "click" instead of the bang. even if i had a gun that had 2nd strike capabilites i wouldn't use it, as i want to say consistant as possible across the board with other handguns. i have done and continue to do type 1 malfunction clearnace so much, that my subconcious response to a click instead of a bang is tap and rack.

nitzer
October 3, 2009, 10:20 PM
The reason IDPA considers the XD to be single action is because when you cycle the slide to chamber a round, the striker is in a fully cocked position. You pull the trigger, it releases the firing pin with no rearward movement of the pin. Therefore, one single action is taken to fire a round. Glocks on the other hand are considered to be DAO. They are considered to be DAO because when you cycle the slide on a Glock to chamber a round, the striker moves to a pre-cock position. When you pull the trigger to fire the round in the Glock, the striker retracts to the fully cocked position before releasing to strike the round. So, double action because two actions are performed when the trigger is pulled. Hopefully that clears it up. XD single action, Glock double action. Both striker fired. USPSA basically overlooks the single action of the XD, IDPA does not.

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