[Drizzt]

Earlier today, I was helping out at a thrift sale for the Second Amendment Sisters, that was being held right outside a busy gun store here in Austin. I was rather dismayed at the complete lack of any sort of acknowlegement from the shooters going in and out of the store. The whole deal was to try and raise money for the SAS to provide a counter-march to the MMM in Washington D.C. this coming Mother's Day, but you would think we were talking about a mission to Mars from the reaction that most of these people gave.

One lady tried to ask a gentleman walking by if he wanted to take a look at what was for sale, and added that this was a good way to make sure he held on to his guns. He just kind of scoffed, then went on in to the range.

Another lady asked me why these shooters would act like they don't care about keeping hold of their rights and freedoms. I told her that, if firearms ownership automatically equated to caring about freedoms, then we wouldn't even be worrying about the necessity of a counter-march.

What is it going to take to get gun-owners up off their cans and get them to wake up to what is going on around them? Are they just assuming that everything is fine because of GWB in the White House and a Repub majority in the Congress? Are they just that complacent?

I'm sorry about this turning into such a rant. Due to other events right now, I have very little time to devote to my causes, as seen by my lack of presence here lately. Today, I had a chance to take some deserved time for myself, but I chose to go over there to help some friends, and maybe try to make a difference. It just gets a bit frustrating at times.

:banghead:

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Drizzt
First, thank you for your time and personal efforts.
You have every reason to rant.
Yep, I can empathize. "It doesn't pertain to me, my sport, my type of guns...etc.," I shot competition for years...I really was shocked, angered, surprised with some folks.

The sad part is folks won't change till they hit a bottom. Often it is too late. How many times do we read of a victim that a CCW might have saved. How many anti's , even here on this forum, thought "It'll never happen to me or mine". Took a tragic event to change that attitude.

I dunno, we need to desperatly quit the in-fighting amongst ourselves. That's for sure. The "wake-up" call may be too late for "all" is a scary reality.

[Mark Tyson]

If these gun owners haven't woken up up by now then there's little hope of counting on them for anything.

[toro]

Mmmmmmmm! You have to realize you are dealing with men. Have you tried getting one of the best looking girls in the organization to put on a very tiny swim suit, under a trench coat to flash them as they trot by? It might wake them up. How about a Hooter girl. Maybe she would go along the for a day? Somehow this seems to be all some men think about. If she were to ask for a donation, you would make tons of money. You ladies may be very beautiful, but you are not showing enough leg.

You know how men are, they grip about people taking away their guns, but when it comes right down to it, some will not lift a finger to help. I have gone to many gun shows and events for pro-gun rallys. Most people are no-shows. I have spent weakends at a booth and no-one will put a dime in the container. I just don't understand it.

Another thing, there are about 60 million gunowners in the U.S. How many belong to the NRA?


Mrs. Toro


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1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

[Matt1911]

I'm so confused about gun owners...On the one hand,we have folks like on this board,on the other,we have people like my very own brother,that JUST found out the aussie's lost thier guns!!He's been a hunter since he was 13,how could he not know?!?
It'll never happen here.....wish i had a nickle for every time i've heard that.

[saddenedcitizen]

Most of the 'hunters/outdoorsmen in this country have been
thinking for a LONG time - 'They'll' never come for my guns,
mine are just for huntin' !!!
Well, it just 'ain't' the case -
Forget where I read this (perhaps here) and 'Thanks &
Apologies' to the oringinal author but I liked it -

'What are you going to do when 'they' come for your sniper rifle ??'

'I don't have a sniper rifle'

'Sure you do - it's that HIGH POWERED, DEADLY AT LONG
DISTANCES, SCOPED 30/06 that you use to hunt deer/elk !!!'

What are you going to do when 'they' come for your 'hall cleaner?/
'trench clearer'/'street sweeper' ???

'I dont have one of those'

Sure you do, it's that 870/1600 12 GA. SEMI (FULLY ?) AUTOMATIC/
PUMP SHOTGUN that you use to hunt quail/pheasant/rabbit !!!!"

It's ALL in the SEMANTICS of the 'law' and the carefully crafted
snippets on the alphabet news programs that are fed to the
masses via TV/movies etc.

When the above starts, maybe, JUST MAYBE some of the 'hunters'
will get off their duffs, gie up some football/baseball/basketball
and DO SOMETHING - one can only hope so.

On the other hand, maybe not, - look at California's absurd laws.

Regarding another poster whose relative(?) just learned about
Australia's 'situation' - I understand fully.
I meet/talk to many people who have NO CLUE what is happening
in the world UNLESS they get a little bit from Rather/Brokaw/Jennings
and if the issue/item isn't mentioned there, then it simply doesn't
exist/happen and they NEVER seem to get the 'spin' put on almost
all news from those sources.

[geekWithA.45]

I meet/talk to many people who have NO CLUE what is happening in the world UNLESS they get a little bit from Rather/Brokaw/Jennings and if the issue/item isn't mentioned there, then it simply doesn't exist/happen and they NEVER seem to get the 'spin' put on almost all news from those sources.

If you allow mass media to define reality for you, your reality will be defined by those who have agendas other than your own.

[Standing Wolf]

I received a sticker from the Second Amendment Sisters a couple weeks ago, and sent back a check last week end. If I'd seen an S.A.S. booth or table somewhere, I'd have stopped and chipped in at least a few bucks.

They're courageous ladies, and deserve everyone's support.

[Barbara]

The problem is that too many gun owners think they have the Constitutional right to shoot deer with a 12 ga. and don't worry about anything else. If every person who owned a gun gave a dollar to the pro-gun cause, we'd never have to worry about the AWB. As it is, I have to drag my own brother to the polls each year and hand him a list of people to vote for. If I didn't do that, he wouldn't vote at all. He just does it to keep me off his back. :(

[Mark Tyson]

I think we need to mount a direct effort specifically to recruit these hunting-oriented gun owners to our cause. A poster with a picture of an Ed Brown Savanna rifle with the words "Sniper rifle" on it, or something to that effect could be a good start. Or maybe a picture of a plain-jane wood stock Remington 870 with the worlds "assault weapon". Or comparisons between the .30-06 and the evil "sniper" .223. cartridges ... you get the idea. I think we need to reach out to these guys and smack some sense into them, especially since Kerry et al are trying to portray themselves as pro hunting.

[Balog]

You know how men are, they grip about people taking away their guns, but when it comes right down to it, some will not lift a finger to help.

Uhhh, and women are different how?

[labgrade]

Interesting, but not surprising.

"pro gunnies" adhere to the "what's in it for me" aspect & the vast majority have no clue whatsoever that their rights are being stolen piece-meal.

We've the "judicial precidence"-folks who'd sell us out because some judge once decided that we "never really had the right/or, that there is some semblance of "for the general public safety"-clause, the "assault weapons are bad"-crowd, or the whateverthehellyouwantsell-outs who never adressedthe fundmentalrightsissues ...... sigh & heavy heart-seize.

Every one of these types will sell you out in a heart beat. Not so much to "sell you out," but moreso because they have no real clue regards the freedom issue.

The government has no "right!" And this is very muchso fundamental. They have no right. they have no legal standing, & they have no rulings whatsoever to restrict your means to enable yourself to possess any type/platform firearm you desire. None, whatsoever.

Now my current SAS organisation has taken a somewhat less staunch view on my own position, but it makes mine no less.

We have the right, by the US constitution, to keep & bear military pattern small arms (at the least) + the Colorado constitution states that we have the "RKBA" (unconcealed) to do the same - "in the defense of " ours & yours."

</rant off>

We either have the right or we don't. We either exercize it or we don't.

There is either The Right, or it doesn't exist. & if we have the right, damnitall! we are exempt from interference.

& literlly, F'em if they can't take it.

Ready to go off on an unacceptable rant (again), but just tell ya what.

You "pro-guners' that are nothing but a shell-game=me for the antis (you know who you are) = sell-outs pukes disgust me to no end.

You know who you are. The "advance all current laws/let's just ebforce what we have" you Project Exile folks who have bought into the NRA's bias to (again) just enforce the laws on the books-pukes.

Although I've advanced my opinion, I wouldn't try to advance my views other than saying you have let your women (the Second Amendment Sisters) take an advanced view, that of yours, & has taken the battleground far in advance of most of you "deer hunters."

These ladies have taken what should have been your stance to the forefront & decided that their lives, honor & discretion, is far beyond what you'd consider "talking points."

Where were you to suppport her? What didyou do to make certain she was even alowed her wqeapon of choice to d3fend herself when you were not there!?

Many of you "men" have sold your Ladies to be abject prey. Your Wife into being a sexual slave, dependant upon her right to defend herself, & somewhat based upon her choice of a personal defense weapon - you weren't "there" to protect her, right?

Tell ya what.

My/The Wife's first sexual encounter, at 16, was at the hands of a GA Deputy Sheriff, in the back seat of his patrol car. & if any of you think that wasn't "illegal," you've another think comin'.

If there is no other aspect of second amendment rights which should be on the forefront of liberty, it should be that of women to deciode their own determination of who they want to have sex with!

At the worst, sexual preadtors will do to them who are the least able to contend with them. & if they can do them, the least of these - enboldened, what will they do to you?

<end of rant>

If you cannot even provide the protection of those who you, by marriage/birth of children/love of The Ladies in the least - if you cannot provide this, in the least, you have no business being a male in our society.

Support These Ladies in what hey are doing, & if you think that some of their agenda is somewhat off he mark (as I do) still support hem & attempt a modification of what it is they hope to accomplish.

From my perspective, they are more on the mark than many of our other "{pro-gun" agendas.

(willing to duscuss on/or off-line any of it)

[Strings]

I'm guessing it's a fluke, but Toro and I agree on something. Although I'd bet there was some sarcasm there...

Sex sells, people. and it doesn't necessarily have to be the "best looking woman in a swimsuit" to catch these guys attention. Usually, if my wife can work one of the shows with me, she's a a short (read: above the knee) skirt. And we seem to get a fair number of people responding. Ask Monkeyleg... he'll verify it for ya...

[WAGCEVP]

I've worked gun shows many a time over the last 20 years. I feel for ya........ apathetic gunowners :banghead: :cuss: :fire: :rolleyes: :confused:

[AJ Dual]

Since I started volunteering for Monkeyleg at gunshows to work the WCCA table as the WI CCW vote comes up for critical veto override It's been a real eye-opener.

I now understand why he's allways mentioning getting ready to "burn out".

About 25% of the people I ask to fill out a legislative card to support CCW are for it, but are just to lazy, or cranky to fill one out.

Others lie to my face, "I already have one". :confused: There is no CCW in WI, yeah right. Or the exasperated attitudes when they realize they have to (oh the horror) fill out and address the entire card that it's not one of those NRA pre printed ones...

Or the duck-huntin' only kind of guys, I've got guns, but there's too many nuts out there...

What does that have to do with CCW permit holders? :banghead: