what happens if i fire my a firearm with the wrong size of shotshells (bullets)


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veer1987
October 6, 2009, 01:34 PM
what happens if i fire my a firearm with the wrong size of shotshells (bullets)

??
i am talkin abt a .351wsl 1907
and revolvers.

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rcmodel
October 6, 2009, 02:06 PM
It could range for not firing at all to blowing up in your face.

The .351 Winchester is an old cartridge developing pressure similar to a handgun round.
You rifle is blow-back operated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.351_Winchester_Self-Loading

Using the wrong ammo in it is a sure path to bad things happening to the gun, and possibly you too.

rc

veer1987
October 6, 2009, 02:23 PM
I have some of the ammo, but i am not sure if it belongs to the sam gun. Is there any way to check if it is of that gun?...
And the print on the rear head of the cartridge is almost rubbed off. As it very old.
Any other way/.?

SDC
October 6, 2009, 02:37 PM
Old Western Scrounger shows ammo in this calibre (.351 WSL), but it's EXPENSIVE; $49.95 for 20 rounds, manufactured from 38 Special brass with the rim turned down; http://www.ows-ammo.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/450

veer1987
October 6, 2009, 02:43 PM
he print on the barreel says:

MANUFACTURED BY THE WINCHESTER REPEATING ARM CO.
NEW HAV NN CON USA SELF LOADING MODEL **** DAT * AUG 27.
-351 nickel steel BAPP*

and one more line that i cannot read.

veer1987
October 6, 2009, 02:45 PM
yeah plus the may not send it to INDIA.
and can u tell me what does the 180 grain means'?

Jim Watson
October 6, 2009, 02:47 PM
180 grains is the weight of the bullet - the projectile alone.
There are 7000 grains in a pound, 15.43 grains in a gramme.

That rifle has not been manufactured since 1957 and ammunition is scarce even in the USA.

veer1987
October 6, 2009, 03:12 PM
do i have to care about the exact grain value of the bullet before buying them?..
i dont really know what grain value does my gun uses?

rcmodel
October 6, 2009, 03:57 PM
The link I put in post #2 tells you it used a 180 grain bullet.

That very likely is the only bullet weight you will find, as the rifles blow-back action is designed for that bullet weight.

Very much heavier and it will beat the gun apart.
Very much lighter and it won't operate the action.

rc

veer1987
October 7, 2009, 03:04 AM
firstly: what exactly is blowback action?
secondly: i am gettin a INDIAN ORDINANCE make .351wsl bullets, but its grain value is 244grains.
so from what u said, i shuold not buy those bullets.right?
but the shopkeeper is suggesting me to try one shot f the same..
:(

SDC
October 7, 2009, 09:16 AM
A blowback works sort of like a pogo stick, where the force of the bullet being pushed out the barrel is balanced by the weight of the bolt and the spring holding it closed; so, if you use a bullet that is too heavy or too light, the action will either come back too fast, beating the rifle like you were hitting it with a sledge hammer, or it will not open at all. Given that, I would say that you SHOULDN'T use any ammunition but the 180-grain factory standard in that rifle. In fact, I wouldn't fire that rifle AT ALL, unless you first have it fully checked out by a gunsmith who knows what to look for.

Fred Fuller
October 7, 2009, 10:08 AM
Ummm... veer?

Please don't shoot that gun, OK? You aren't ready to shoot that gun. Not yet. There are too many things you need to get straightened out first. It's been waiting 102 years, and I assure that it won't hurt the gun at all to wait a while longer before you or anyone else shoots it again. But rushing things might hurt the gun, AND hurt you as well. Getting this stuff right is important. Guns are dangerous, and especially if they are not used properly.

lpl

veer1987
October 9, 2009, 12:54 PM
@ lee laplin..: thts d reason i ve joined the forum/.
any valuable info on the topic is awaited.
thnx to all.

Jim Watson
October 9, 2009, 01:45 PM
i am gettin a INDIAN ORDINANCE make .351wsl bullets, but its grain value is 244grains.

The only Indian Ordnance ammunition I can find with a 244 grain bullet is the .315/8mm. If this is what you are looking at, it is NOT the same thing as .351 WSL and is NOT usable in your rifle.

Oh, by the way, guys, the OP was talking about $2000 for a nondescript revolver.
Turns out that is not too bad for an off the books sale there.
A new .32 revolver of Webley topbreak pattern bought on license with a waiting period in months is $1778.

veer1987
October 14, 2009, 03:10 AM
what is meant by a prohibited bore or non prohibited bore...? and is .351wsl a prohibited bore or not?

veer1987
October 14, 2009, 03:11 AM
what it says in d liscence is NP BORE. but.. a gunsmith ovr here, told me it is a prohibited bore.

SDC
October 14, 2009, 07:48 AM
"Prohibited bore" sounds to me like a peculiarity of Indian law; they likely have laws against firearms or ammunition that are close to military calibres (in this case, probably 9mm , or .355"); the fact that they aren't even remotely interchangeable doesn't matter, because the idiots who write these sorts of laws aren't concerned about reality in the first place.

veer1987
October 14, 2009, 02:53 PM
not sufficent info!
what it says in d liscence is NP BORE. but.. a gunsmith ovr here, told me it is a prohibited bore.

rcmodel
October 14, 2009, 03:28 PM
You might have better luck getting your questions on India's gun laws answered here:
http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2780&start=45

It seems from a quick glance that PB means Prohibited Bore, and NPB means Not Prohibited Bore.

It also appears your .351 Win would be a PB because it is a semi-auto and they are all prohibited.

It also seems likely that at some point in the distant past, the .351 SL may have been used by Indian police or game control officers, which would also result in a PB.

Perhaps that it is an obsolete caliber, and you can't get ammo would change that.
But I doubt it.

rc

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