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ccsniper
October 9, 2009, 12:56 AM
A friend of mine has a national ordnance m1 carbine he is willing to part with. We haven't decided a price yet. The stock and metal are in really good condition, only a few nicks and dings. BUT, the bolt will not go all the way forward. It goes about an inch or so and then stops as if running into something. I refused to take it apart because it is not my gun and he didnt know how. Another thing, the rear sight has cleary been broke off at some point and super glued back on. Other than those two things the gun looks really good. What I need from you guys is what is this thing worth and what is possibly causing the bolt problem. I have wanted an m1 carbine since my granpa put me on his lap and showed me pics of korea and his love for the gun (he was artillery). I would love an actual U.S GI m1 carbine, but will settle for this one if the price is right.

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devildog4329
October 9, 2009, 01:02 AM
Right now you can purchase from CMP and theirs are running between 450-775 depending on the model and make. Being that this one is a good bit beet up low ball him. Also you can google M1 carbine manual and you take it apart that way. Also you tube has video od disassemble.

cleardiddion
October 9, 2009, 01:04 AM
Maybe it's just me but a rear sight being held on with super glue would be a pretty much a turn off and this is coming from a guy who adores mosins.

gun addict
October 9, 2009, 01:05 AM
uhh, i'd give $25 for that thing, honest answer.

Non USGI receiver, national ordnace with possible damage causing the bolt to not work, leave it alone and save up for a cheap Inland M1, you won't regret it

ccsniper
October 9, 2009, 01:14 AM
I was planning on replacing the rear sight. Not sure if I want it or not but if it is a good deal better priced than even the rack grade m1 carbines from the cmp I might take a gamble on it. I read that there only worth 200 or so, this right? Also I know how to take one apart but won't because it is not my rifle and he really doesn't care about it.

bullturkey
October 9, 2009, 01:20 AM
I had one of these years ago. I think the receiver was cast with the rest of the parts being surplus GI. It worked well for me. Cast parts have got raps but consider the mini 14. If the gun can be bought for 200 or less and all the rest of the parts are in good shape (GI parts) I would buy it as spares for my Inland I have now. Mine is a mix-master.

Tim the student
October 9, 2009, 06:28 AM
I wouldn't hand over more than $50 I think. Actually less now that I think about it.

CZguy
October 9, 2009, 08:38 AM
I wouldn't buy it at any price. I would however start saving up for one from the CMP.

Like this Underwood that was made in 1943.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/badgerone/M1CarbineII.jpg

Trebor
October 9, 2009, 09:11 AM
I would pass as there is a *definite* safety issue with those National Ord carbines. The bolt can fire out of battery causing a catastrophic failure. That can lead to severe injury or death. I would especially pass if this one is already showing some problem relating to the bolt.

SlamFire1
October 9, 2009, 09:38 AM
Having owned one defective National Ordnance M1903A3, I would consider any National Ordnance product to worth only the sum of its GI parts.

The cast receiver on my rifle was so soft, that the receiver lug seats set back under bolt load. Headspace increased and had I continued to fire it, I would have had a cartridge rupture.

You can do a web search and find pictures of guys whose Nat'l Ordnance M1903A3's blew up.

I have not seen any blow up postings on carbines. That does not mean a Nat'l Ordnance carbine is safe.

This site has a bit of information on National Ordnance.

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_NATORD3.HTML

Carl N. Brown
October 9, 2009, 09:47 AM
National Ordnance made military rifles out of surplus parts after the end of WWII.

They were never a military contractor for U.S. carbines and their guns have no collector interest.

Given the problems others have reported with guns assembled by National Ordnance, they have little value as shooters. On the used gun market, few people have expressed confidence in the brand name.

There are true collectibles and much better shooters out there than the typical National Ordnance M1 carbine.

briansmithwins
October 9, 2009, 11:54 AM
Offer him $25 for the parts and buy a CMP carbine. Throw the reciever away. BSW

ccsniper
October 9, 2009, 11:06 PM
I guess I will pass on the gun

Acera
October 10, 2009, 12:43 AM
Can you get pictures? It has a value, just might not be worth it, but it might, at least let some experts here check it out. Or get some picts, and post it over on the CMP carbine forum, those guys know their stuff.

ccsniper
October 10, 2009, 02:23 AM
I think I agree with most others on here that since it is already broke, and apparently not safe I will NOT buy it. I guess I will save up and get an affordable U.S. GI carbine. By the way, weird but both of my Grandpa's used m1 carbines, one in korea the other in vietnam. Both didn't like the underpowered round but loved the ability to carry 3 to 4 times what everyone else was carrying.

krs
October 10, 2009, 06:01 AM
Pass on it. It's not a good thing and it very well could maim you.

I wouldn't pull trigger on one of those if someone came up and asked me to try it out.

SUPERGLUED sight?? And you would even consider this junk?

If you can't afford a good one then do without until you can. Wasting money on garbage only delays the day you can afford the one you want.

ccsniper
May 12, 2010, 05:32 PM
I passed on the National ordinance carbine and recently got an inland for 350. Has some pitting on the barrel but I am just gonna say that was from use in the islands

Ignition Override
July 6, 2010, 02:12 AM
My brand-new AO Carbine somehow got totally jammed, and was only six weeks out of the store, in November '07. Have no idea what happened.
The gun was treated with tender care, never banged around etc, used Rem. ammo (did not know about Wolf). In hindsight, the AO's bolt Never felt as solid and rugged as the GI bolts.
Bought it from The well-known Memphis gun store.

I've described this major let-down on several websites. The factory repair was free, and I had always wanted an M-1 Carbine, but had read nothing about these before the purchase.

Wish that it had been either a good GI Carbine, an SKS or Mini 14/30.
Sold the AO, although the repair went well, bought all three of these rifles. There is no comparison, despite several FTFs with the Mini 30 (Wolf ammo).

A very experienced, middle-aged gun buddy at the range has seen serious, dangerous issues in some AO Carbines. I would never spend $50 on an AO Imitiation Carbine, unless for some spare parts. A fairly scratched-up Mini 14/30 or SKS should have much better value, if not one of the better GI versions.
I let the new wood, shiny looks fool me, instead of searching for a nice bore and solid function in an authentic Carbine.

Acera
July 6, 2010, 01:06 PM
Ignition Override have you thought about starting a new thread with your problem?

It seems other than both topics being about M1 Carbines, they are not related at all?

Just curious why you brought up a dead thread and posted in it.

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