The AR-15 Pistol


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Extremely Pro Gun
October 9, 2009, 08:07 PM
What do yall with your infinite knowlege think about AR-15 pistols. These things are basacily SBRs with NO NFA TAX!!!! :D

They will conceal up in a briefcase or backpack.

And they use the same ammo and magazines as my big AR :D



Where can I get the shorty buffer tube assembly for the pistol though? (A I am building one, hopefully on one of my stripped lowers.)

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PT1911
October 9, 2009, 08:11 PM
a rifle has a buttstock... the AR pistol does not. to me they seem clumsy and impractical...

MM60
October 9, 2009, 08:19 PM
AR pistols are awesome! I have the Bushmaster Carbon-15 P97S and I frequently take it camping, hiking, kayaking, etc. The buffer tube can be used to make a cheek weld, and with practically no recoil - your nose can be an inch from the receiver without the receiver hitting you in the face. I have easily grouped shots within an 8" circle at 100 yards this way. I keep a 20-round Colt magazine in it at all times for a lower profile, but I have plenty of 30-rounders for it too.
I am not certain about where to get a shorty buffer tube assembly to make your own pistol. My recommendation would be to just buy a complete pistol from Bushmaster http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ-C15P97S.asp or Olympic Arms http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37&vmcchk=1&Itemid=37.

You won't regret it!

zignal_zero
October 9, 2009, 09:02 PM
my biggest concern was - barrell length affects velocity, a 5.56 with no velocity is just a light projectile.

i can totally understand, and actually share, the desire to own a riflish pistol. however, i'm leaning towards an AK pistol just for the added projectile weight.

MM60
October 9, 2009, 09:16 PM
If you're just interested in a pistol that will shoot rifle cartridges, the T/C Encore will fire any caliber you like. The barrels are 15" long, so they actually have slightly more power than the standard LEO/military M4 carbines - which have 14.5" barrels. The T/C Encore is very compact and has an extremely low profile. But it doesn't allow for fast follow-up shots - that's what the M4 pistol is for. I think it would be plenty powerful and accurate enough to use practically out to 200 yards.

CleverNickname
October 10, 2009, 02:57 PM
What do yall with your infinite knowlege think about AR-15 pistols. These things are basacily SBRs with NO NFA TAX!!!!

You're in Texas, pay the $200 and put a stock on it. It's worth it. 5.56mm out of a really short pistol-length barrel (usually 7" on AR pistols) is sort of pointless though.

DammitBoy
October 10, 2009, 03:02 PM
I have the Bushmaster Carbon-15 P97S and I just love it. It is a fun gun at the range, but you can run through a lot of ammo just playing with it - especially with the cmag attached!

I recommend putting a green laser on it if you want to shoot it acurately from the hip. This makes it a blast to shoot without trying to sight it like you would a rifle.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3396782585_f6d430da14_o.jpg

I've since added a neoprene sleeve to the buffer tube, a one point sling, and a foregrip - all three items make it much easier to handle/shoot acurately.

PT1911
October 10, 2009, 07:02 PM
how difficult are these things to shoot accurately for most?

Mags
October 10, 2009, 07:04 PM
I've since added a neoprene sleeve to the buffer tube, a one point sling, and a foregrip
You might want to remove that foregrip unless of course you paid your tax stamp.

nalioth
October 10, 2009, 07:13 PM
I've since added a neoprene sleeve to the buffer tube, a one point sling, and a foregrip
You might want to remove that foregrip unless of course you paid your tax stamp.

He said "foregrip", which is something that lots of pistols have. Synonymous with "hand grip" "fore-end" and "hand guard".

The term you're throwing him in jail over is "vertical foregrip", which is a no-no on regular hand guns.

Mags
October 10, 2009, 07:19 PM
I don't know what he is talking about but if it is a "vertical foregrip" then he does need to make sure he is legal, and no most pistols don't have foregrips but alot of rifle caliber pistols do.

nalioth
October 10, 2009, 08:21 PM
I don't know what he is talking about but if it is a "vertical foregrip" then he does need to make sure he is legal,<snip> You can see the picture, right? No VFG present.

<snip>and no most pistols don't have foregrips but alot of rifle caliber pistols do.Nobody said "most". I said "lots".

Every AR15 pistol I've ever seen has one (pistol and rifle calibers). It's the part that keeps you from burning your hand on the barrel.
AK pistols have 'em too (pistol and rifle calibers)
So does that new-fangled Sig 556 pistol thing.
Thompson-Center Contenders have had 'em for decades (pistol and rifle calibers).
The Ruger Charger has one.
The Linda pistol has one.

Not all of the above are "rifle caliber pistols" (not sure what a "rifle caliber pistol" is, anyway). A pistol is a pistol.

Mags
October 10, 2009, 09:03 PM
Look man, I am not trying to start a fight. I am just saying if it is a vertical grip he needs to make sure he is legal. He also says under the picture he has since added a foregrip.

DammitBoy
October 11, 2009, 01:40 PM
Settle down kiddies - I have the tax stamp for my verticle grip.

I shoot at my local homeland security range next to law enforcement types almost every other weekend. No way am I taking chances with questions over legality.

(however stupid a law it is, in my opinion)

Maelstrom
October 11, 2009, 02:04 PM
$200 for a handgrip.....

DammitBoy
October 11, 2009, 02:26 PM
$200 bucks beats 10 years all day long (that's only $20 per year)...

Prince Yamato
October 11, 2009, 03:26 PM
$200 for a handgrip..... and bragging rights. :D

DammitBoy
October 11, 2009, 06:23 PM
It boils down to the lack of comfort level I was having with the pistol without the foregrip.

It is much more comfortable, shootable, controllable and accurate with the foregrip. $200 was well worth the gains made.

If dollars were an issue - I wouldn't have bought a $1000 toy with a $250 magazine attached to it. :cool:

kwelz
October 12, 2009, 03:06 AM
I find them pretty useless except as the perfect starting point for an SBR.

496 polara
October 12, 2009, 11:45 AM
I had(and sold)the kel tec plr16.It is a hoot to shoot and groups reasonably well with iron sights.Not that you will be shooting it much like a rifle though.
The laser is a good idea.It is'nt very practical for defense unless you spend a lot of time practicing from the hip.
It is a fun range/back yard gun.
When I saw it I had to have one.After shooting it I kind of lost interest in it.It is very loud.

496 polara
October 12, 2009, 11:49 AM
Kel tec plr16

DAVIDSDIVAD
October 12, 2009, 02:15 PM
Outside of the tacticool arena:

I saw an article in American handgunner by Taffin that said the Kel Tec was the perfect varminting pistol.

DammitBoy
October 12, 2009, 05:49 PM
I must admit I picked the bushmaster soley on looks - it just looks so frikken cool compared to the keltec or other ar15 style pistols.

And it's not like you get this thing for anything other than a shooting play pretty...

buckeye8
October 12, 2009, 07:24 PM
Something to consider for those who claim that rifle-caliber pistols have no 'serious' uses: In some states, including mine, you can keep a loaded handgun in your car if you have a CHL, but you can NOT keep a loaded rifle or shotgun in your car. For the time being, a rifle-caliber pistol is about the most firepower we can keep in our vehicles here in the Buckeye State.

So yes, I have considered an AR Pistol for a 'trunk gun', since my options are limited by Ohio law.

DAVIDSDIVAD
October 13, 2009, 11:12 AM
And it's not like you get this thing for anything other than a shooting play pretty...

See my post above yours

M2 Carbine
October 13, 2009, 12:48 PM
how difficult are these things to shoot accurately for most?
The guns are very accurate, so it depends on how good the shooter is.

I have a AK pistol, AR Bushmaster Carbon 15 .223 and two Kel Tec PLR .223 pistols.
AK pistol (and Yugo under-folder).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/AKpistolandYugo.jpg

Kel Tec PLR and Buskmaster pistols.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/3223pistols.jpg

Except for the AK being more powerful, IMO the Kel Tec has the other two beat in all ways.



Accuracy.
AK at 100 yards from the bench, using a Red Dot sight. The gun is actually more accurate than this. I couldn't hardly make out the bullseye because of the Sun on the target.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/AKpistolWolf154-1.jpg

Kel Tec PLR. 100 yards. Standing and blasting using a BSA Red Dot sight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/100yardsPLR1-1.jpg

Kel Tec PLR. 100 yards from the bench. 5X Scope. The gun is very accurate with ammo it likes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KelTec223target2.jpg

Power from the short barrels.
Kel Tec PLR. 1/4 inch steel.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KT223onsteelfront.jpg

AK pistol. 1/4 inch steel. Ammo is 122 Gr FMJ and Wolf 154gr JSP. The Wolf 154gr JSP is the hits that don't penetrate the steel.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/AKpistolsteel.jpg

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