New (used) H&K P7


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Rodentman
October 11, 2009, 07:20 PM
I recently bought this P7, but I am not sure what variant it is. It doesn't say PSP on the slide, and has "P7" on the grips. It's not an M8 since it doesn't have the trigger heat guard. The mag release is on the bottom of the frame , not up by the slide. Any opinions on what variant this is?

Thx.

http://fototime.com/E84C0D402C95C8F/standard.jpg

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usp9
October 11, 2009, 07:33 PM
Any opinions on what variant this is?

It is a P7. That's pretty much it.

It is also called a PSP for Police Selfloading Pistol, but technically they all are of this series. There are only a few actually marked with the letters PSP, strangely enough at the beginning and end of production. Your pistol has the more common flush magazine release as opposed to the very early exposed catch.

Your particular gun is one of thousands of police trade ins that have hit the market the last few years as signified by the NDS stamp. Yours is a new import because it has the Columbus stamp and the DE export stamp (DE for Germany).

Whether P7, P7m8 or any of the other pistols made in 9mm or .40 they all pretty much opperate the same way, squeeze cock, gas retarded blowback. PSP is used to differentiate this line from the conventional mag release style of the M8, M10 and M13.

Here's a good web site for info.
http://hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68:psp&catid=6:the-pistols&Itemid=5

Rodentman
October 11, 2009, 08:13 PM
Thank you for the info!!

9mmepiphany
October 11, 2009, 10:03 PM
it hard to tell from your photos...but it is a pre-M8 variant

your's appears to have the recessed, wider mag release located between the longer grip panels as opposed to the more common narrower release the protrudes out from the grip more.

don't quote me, but...i think that makes it an "U" model

Rodentman
October 11, 2009, 11:01 PM
Here a photo of the mag release...

http://fototime.com/5EE36C28B92DAB9/standard.jpg

9mmepiphany
October 12, 2009, 12:24 AM
ayup...that's the mag release for the American market

what i can find, on a quick search was that this release was refered to as the "U" model while the protruding one was the "E" model.

the American model has a sleeker appearance, but the other model is faster to use

usp9
October 12, 2009, 09:35 AM
9mmepiphany, Can you post a link to reference the "U" and "E" model designation. I like to read about that.

The P7M8, with it's mag release behind the trigger guard, is the version made for the American market. The narrow mag release was an early iteration and was soon changed to the wider release. The wide version was produced from about 1981 to 1997. Some were imported to the U.S., but most were used by the German police.

DanielW
October 12, 2009, 10:42 AM
I'm looking to pick one up. How much did you pay for it if you don't mind me asking?

shellshoct
October 12, 2009, 01:55 PM
I'm looking to pick one up. How much did you pay for it if you don't mind me asking?
I just picked up a grade C P7 from Buds Gun Shop for $585+tax. I was in the retail store last week to pick it up and they had 1 left.

shellshoct
October 12, 2009, 02:56 PM
Here are a couple of shots of my grade C. Some Holster wear but in good shape overall.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f347/shellshoct/IMG_0861.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f347/shellshoct/IMG_0858.jpg

9mmepiphany
October 12, 2009, 05:07 PM
9mmepiphany, Can you post a link to reference the "U" and "E" model designation. I like to read about that.

i think i found it either on HKPro or the Cult of the P7

FiveFiveSixFan
October 12, 2009, 07:13 PM
i think i found it either on HKPro or the Cult of the P7


I believe that "Cult of the P7" is history. I haven't been able to access it for months.

9mmepiphany
October 12, 2009, 08:04 PM
i just checked and Park Cities Tactical is up and running as we post

Rodentman
October 12, 2009, 08:07 PM
Mine was $600. I am looking for a spare magazine but I know there are differences and I don't want to end up with the wrong one..........

FiveFiveSixFan
October 12, 2009, 08:19 PM
i just checked and Park Cities Tactical is up and running as we post


Wow! Thanks for checking that. Looks like they've been back up for around a month now. My old shortcut is still not working so I bookmarked the new one.

Thanks again. I used to get a lot of good info there.

rogertc1
October 12, 2009, 10:28 PM
Here is a picture of my still NIB PSP that I got way back in 1984. Not a used police gun. From what I read in the magazine articles that I saved from back in the 80's (no web you know then) The first heal mag release that stuck out was discontinued because it would catch onto things and let the mag fall out.

Rodentman
October 12, 2009, 10:38 PM
That is a beautiful looking P7. I may need to get another one......

usp9
October 13, 2009, 08:27 AM
The first heal mag release that stuck out was discontinued because it would catch onto things and let the mag fall out.

That is correct. The flush mag was used from the early '80s until production ended in the mid '90s.

There were other very subtle changes over the years to the PSPs.

*Rogertc1's photo shows the "Concentric Circle" takedown button. Later versions were crosshatched.
* The grip panels came with a much flatter palm swell than current models.
* At some point a spring was removed from the piston assembly.
* A couple slight modifications to internal parts, for example the striker assembly, but by and large the gun has remained unchanged.

I believe all changed/modified parts are interchangable except for the grip panels made for the two styles of mag release.

Rodentman
October 13, 2009, 11:17 AM
FWIW mine has the concentric circles on the takedown button.

I am considering getting it NP3 refinished by Robar once I verify that it functions OK at the range.

I read that brass fired from the P7 may not be reloadable due to the fluted chamber's effect on the brass. Does anyone have any views on this? That's assuming I can find the brass after it falls from orbit.

9mmepiphany
October 13, 2009, 06:14 PM
I read that brass fired from the P7 may not be reloadable due to the fluted chamber's effect on the brass. Does anyone have any views on this?

the fluting isn't that bad...but it does make identifying your brass easier :)

it was much worst in the HK 91 and 93 rifles...especially with steel cases

benderx4
October 13, 2009, 08:27 PM
Finding the brass is the issue - the P7 will effectively eject your empties even without the extractor - the gas assisted fluted chamber works THAT well. It's not uncommon to find your brass 10-20 feet away. If I'm not mistaken, as a poice trade-in, the "DE" on your model shows that the gun was refurbished by HK Deutschland before being imported to the States by HKI, Columbus, GA. I bet the internals of your specimen are in tip top shape.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/3705331320_27c8d9a703.jpg

anewconvert
October 13, 2009, 08:43 PM
Found one of these at the local gun shop in Raleigh. Really interesting design, but I dont have $1250...


BC

usp9
October 13, 2009, 11:02 PM
anewconvert, what you saw was probably a HK P7M8, not a police trade P7 which go for $6 -$800 usually.

The DE is on all guns coming from Germany. It is a newly required stamp.

Rodentman
October 14, 2009, 08:23 PM
I've been told that the gas piston in mine is new. Sure looks clean. The barrel is in fine shape too. It goes to the range Friday......

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