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herkyguy
October 12, 2009, 04:22 PM
Ok, I want a 1911 that best mirrors the original design of the gun as it was intended for military. The gun will not be my primary defense gun, nor do I plan on shooting in competition. I do, however, want a reliable and fairly priced handgun. Hence, I don't want a non-firing replica. I want to shoot it from time to time, but I am mostly interested in owning a 1911 that catches the history of the gun.

Is the Springfield GI the best? Are there any others in that price range?

Thanks.

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Demitrios
October 12, 2009, 04:30 PM
Well there's this guy if you're looking for something nice
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=143058683

And then there's THE original (almost)
http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-q50-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

And I believe they recently remade the original ORIGINAL 1911.

Quack
October 12, 2009, 06:17 PM
for once i'm gonna say Colt.

gunnie
October 12, 2009, 09:44 PM
the fjestad blue book lists a 60% "ARGENTINE CONTRACT MODEL 1916" for $600, and notes that most specimens have been refinished. [even less $]

for your stated uses, why get a repro?

gunnie

Cards81fan
October 12, 2009, 09:55 PM
+1 on the Colt M1911 WWI replica:

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-q50-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

herkyguy
October 13, 2009, 09:27 AM
I didn't think any older models would be in my price range. The colt is nice as well.

woad_yurt
October 13, 2009, 10:14 AM
Here's a decent Remington Rand for $1225. They still have it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=141737658

foghornl
October 13, 2009, 01:09 PM
If you want a current production make but very close to WWII pistol, Springfield "GI-45" is the way to go.

BHP FAN
October 13, 2009, 01:18 PM
I got a Rock Island Arsenal GI .45 for $400.00,and love it.With the $200.00 you save you can buy ammo.

weisse52
October 13, 2009, 01:19 PM
Colt!

BlindJustice
October 13, 2009, 01:49 PM
Actually, the Colt WWI, WWII, and 70 Series that Colt has labeld/named
as "Reissue' only approximate the finish and features that are external and like theorigianls. Internally, they are all identical to the 80 Series with it's
Firing Pin mechanism but the mechanimsm is simply not used in this way Colt
has common replacement parts for all of the 1911s.

Does anyone know if the WWI and WWII 'Reissues" have
"Property of the US Goverment" stamped into the RH side of the frame
above the trigger guard like the M1911 & M1911A1?

Randall

JTQ
October 13, 2009, 02:38 PM
BlindJustice wrote,
Actually, the Colt WWI, WWII, and 70 Series that Colt has labeld/named
as "Reissue' only approximate the finish and features that are external and like theorigianls. Internally, they are all identical to the 80 Series with it's
Firing Pin mechanism but the mechanimsm is simply not used in this way Colt
has common replacement parts for all of the 1911s.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying here.

The WWI, and Series 70 Reproduction don't have the Series 80 firing pin safety. I'm not sure whether the WWII model has a firing pin safety, but it is no longer in production.

Auto Ordnance makes a pretty authentic looking parkerized 1911A1 (WW II issue look). However, it does have a firing pin safety if that matters to you.

General Geoff
October 13, 2009, 02:49 PM
Ok, I want a 1911 that best mirrors the original design of the gun as it was intended for military.

Rock Island Armory, or Springfield GI.45.

Fremmer
October 13, 2009, 03:07 PM
Colt series 70. It won't be an exact replica, but you'll have to buy a more expensive older Colt for that, anyway. It'll be pretty close, and at a reasonable price. And it'll be a Colt.

stageman
October 13, 2009, 03:29 PM
:)This is what my authentic RemRand looks like:

w_houle
October 13, 2009, 03:53 PM
USFA has a nice looking example.

Jim Watson
October 13, 2009, 04:01 PM
The USFA is an extremely expensive gun, accurately representing no actual period Colt pistol

On a budget, the RIA has a good reputation and is of 1911A1 configuration, barring markings. We did have a bit of a military presence in the Philippines at one time and they do remember what our weapons look like.

kanook
October 13, 2009, 04:32 PM
Does anyone know if the WWI and WWII 'Reissues" have
"Property of the US Goverment" stamped into the RH side of the frame
above the trigger guard like the M1911 & M1911A1?The ones I have seen, Yes. It looked like a brand new 1918 issued sidearm

rondog
October 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
Actually, the Colt WWI, WWII, and 70 Series that Colt has labeld/named
as "Reissue' only approximate the finish and features that are external and like theorigianls. Internally, they are all identical to the 80 Series with it's
Firing Pin mechanism but the mechanimsm is simply not used in this way Colt
has common replacement parts for all of the 1911s.


This is TOTAL BS!!! I have one of each, do you??? They're NOT made like the Series 80's in any way, shape or form. Neither of mine have ANY extra parts in them. Sacrilege!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1151.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1159.jpg

w_houle
October 13, 2009, 05:10 PM
If the USFA 1911 doesn't accurately depict anything of the period, then: What's their point, and why the cost?

rondog
October 13, 2009, 05:25 PM
If the USFA 1911 doesn't accurately depict anything of the period, then: What's their point, and why the cost?

You're buying their name, and the "prestige" it brings.

BlindJustice
October 13, 2009, 08:12 PM
I'll look for the source of what I posted.

Personally, I don't give a fig about the internals
as long as it works. I'd like one that looks like the
Ranington-Rand or Ithaca 1911A1 I carried in the USN
that were part of the small arms on board a couple of
Destroyers I served. Or just a 70 Series Gov. Model
is probably close enough

Good luck to the O.P. for finding what he wants.

Randall

Girodin
October 13, 2009, 09:20 PM
Maybe a Norinco it is a "model of the 1911A1"

It is the same price range as the RIA but probably a better made gun.

mec
October 13, 2009, 09:51 PM
The Colt WWI and 1918 are near identical to the originals. Some local 1911 collectors looked at my WWI and said that it is exact except for the direction of the surface polish texture.
there is a minor difference in the chamber "throat". Mine does not like sharp shouldered bullets but is reliable with ball. A friend has one that will work just fine with the needle-nosed swcs.
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Cumpston_Colt-WWI/gww1feedrmp.jpg
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Cumpston_Colt-WWI/gifeedrmp.jpg

the Colt has a true half cock hammer notch instead of the shelf of the series. It has the original frame configuration and not the '10 mm cut."
The only series 80 part in mine is the extractor which has the half loop for the series 80 safety plunger. None of the passive safety parts are there but the series 80 type extractors will work in regular 1911s too.
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Cumpston_Colt-WWI/ww1leftbook.jpg
the colt address line and the US property line are present on the wwI colt.

Mine has a 3.5 pound out of the box trigger pull which is considerably lighter than most original GIs or current commercial 1911s. It is a very accurate shooter.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=43295&stc=1&d=1155057565

I notice that the current issue of Combat Handgunner has a review of this modely by a master level bullseye shooter. He shot a 25 yard slow fire group that looked like a custom gun fired from a ransom rest.

MachIVshooter
October 14, 2009, 01:00 AM
If you want a current production make but very close to WWII pistol, Springfield "GI-45" is the way to go

The Armscor/RIA pistol is closer. Both are made out of country and have cast frames anyway, so I see no reason to pay the extra $200 for the less correct Springer.

Lowlander91
October 14, 2009, 01:36 AM
Springfield GI gets my vote

BlindJustice
October 14, 2009, 01:48 AM
Great post, mec, thank you

Randall

herkyguy
October 14, 2009, 10:01 AM
Colt, RIA, or springer.... the list is getting shorter. Thanks.

mec
October 14, 2009, 11:49 AM
Great post, mec, thank you


I really like owning/shooting this pistol. It's hard for me to find a gun I can get excited over but this is one.

weisse52
October 14, 2009, 03:25 PM
The right answer is still Colt!

But, to answer a comment from a previous post

The RIA does have a cast frame, the SA has a forged frame. That does in some part make the SA better

Also, if. Colt is not in the picture go find a "GI" Norinco.

It is as close to a 1911a1 as you can get. It has better steel than most anything out and has quality internal parts with no silly internal saftey "stuff".

If you are going off-shore then go with the best of what is coming in. In this format it is a Norinco.

Do the search, reap the reward.

rondog
October 14, 2009, 03:42 PM
I took a RIA GI model and put some WWII vintage M1911A1 parts on it, makes it more "authentic looking" from a few feet away. I've added a Colt thumb safety since this photo was taken. Still have a Colt grip safety and hammer, but those will have to be fitted. They didn't just drop in.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1324.jpg

jaysouth
October 14, 2009, 10:58 PM
Armscor/RIA or Norinco.

Both are almost perfect clones of 1911A1s, much more than Springfield GI.

MAURICE
October 15, 2009, 12:48 AM
I just bought a Springfield GI not long ago to keep my other 1911s company. It's a solid pistol. Next 1911 purchases are a RIA and the Colt Repro. I don't see how you can go wrong with any of them. I will tell you that it is a terrible disease and soon you won't be able to stay away from 1911s. Run while you have a chance. :D

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