[TheeBadOne]

Wayne County Prosecutor To Review Alleged Robbery, Shooting

Two suspected robbers are dead after a former police officer and owner of a Detroit bar fired a single shot, Local 4 reported.

The robbery and shooting happened early Sunday or late Saturday at Adela's place on the city's southwest side.

Police say the 49-year-old woman who owned the restaurant -- a retired Detroit cop who was a former member of Mayor Coleman Young's security team -- tried to hold the suspects in the parking lot until police arrived. But when the two men attempted to speed away, and nearly ran over one of her employees, she fired a single shot that apparently struck both men, according to police.

"We've had some robberies in that area. We have some evidence now that may indicate that someone was robbed there and assaulted there. There attempted to be another assault against one of the employees, before the owner of this establishment fired one shot in an attempt to stop a fleeing felon," said Detroit police Inspector Marilyn Hall-Beard.

The two men -- Dorian Gordillo, 22, and Rosalio Becera, 33 -- were later found dead from a bullet wound in a car parked on the Interstate 75 service drive, according to police.

One of the men was reportedly still holding a beer in his hand.

Family members of Gordillo and Becera were initially confused over their deaths, Local 4 reported.

"He was a very good guy. He would never look for trouble. I don't understand what happened. I hope we can find some answers," said Barbara Gordillo, the sister-in-law of one of the victims.

Officers who had responded to the incident at the bar wrote down the description of the car that left the scene and later made a match with the vehicle in which Gordillo and Becera were found dead, Local 4 reported.

While the shooting appeared to be justified, the Wayne County prosecutor was expected to review the case to determine if the bar owner would face charges.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2608035/detail.html
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2 for 1!

[Standing Wolf]

There attempted to be another assault against one of the employees...

People who can't write intelligible English shouldn't attempt to masquerade as journalists.

As for the dead robbers: no loss.

[Ukraine Train]

Is it possible that there will be charges against her for killing the passenger of the vehicle as he wasn't the one trying to run someone over? Sure hope not.

[P95Carry]

Now THAT is economical use of ammo!!"He was a very good guy. He would never look for trouble. I don't understand what happened. Yeah sure ..... always the case ........ so, he had a brain fart just this once ... tough!

''If ya can't stand the heat .. get outa the kitchen'' ....... ''Play with fire - you might get burned'' .............. etc, etc :rolleyes:

[HogRider]

Great Shot!

:D

[Travis McGee]

What? No caliber and bullet details?

Reporters always miss the best parts of a story.

Matt

http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/snakelogo.jpg

[Bill Hook]

Reporters always miss the best parts of a story.

As Standing Wolf pointed out, they barely qualify as a journalist.

[WAGCEVP]

"He was a very good guy. He would never look for trouble. I don't understand what happened. I hope we can find some answers," said Barbara Gordillo, the sister-in-law of one of the victims.



there they go again . calling the shot perp a victim.............


:banghead: :cuss: :fire: :what:

[Andrew Rothman]

Now THAT is economical use of ammo!!
Beat me to it again!

there they go again . calling the shot perp a victim
You're right. I missed that. Oughta be worth an email. :)

At http://www.clickondetroit.com/contact/, I wrote:

Your story, "Police: Bar Owner Kills Two Robbers With Single Shot" refers to one of the dead robbers as a "victim."

Is that not a little confused? I would say, "perpetrator."

[cordex]

Non-LEO shooting to stop a fleeing felon?
Hmmmm....

edit:
To clarify: From what I know, I don't have a problem with this shoot. Just didn't think most police or prosecuters like it when non-police shoot at fleeing felons.

[Mark Tyson]

One shot . . . TWO kills!

And how about those "victims", huh? At the least they're suspects.

One of the men was reportedly still holding a beer in his hand.

:what:

[Leatherneck]

Cordex got it; given the uncertain "truth" between the lines of the entire article, I wondered about that little detail. Do retired Detroit LEOs retain LE authority? I didn't think so.

Maybe she was really trying to avert the squishing of one of her employees; maybe. :scrutiny:

TC
TFL Survivor

[DontShootMe]

If I tried that here in CA, you wouldn't see me posting for about 10-20-LIFE

[Double Naught Spy]

I think ammo conservation is a very good thing. Why spend twice the money shooting two rounds when the cost of the single round is several times the value of the scum removed?

I had a buddy who used to reference that shooting me with a .22 short would not be cost effective - same logic.

Seriously, there are some very real hazards to trying to hold bad guys at gun point until help arrives. In this case, the attempt to flee put the owner's employees in danger and she reacted accordingly.

[Edward429451]

Must've been a non hollowpoint from the side. Ona moving target yet! One for the record books.

[BluesBear]

One of the men was reportedly still holding a beer in his hand.

Now there's a commercial waiting to happen.


Drink Duff Beer!
It's so good they'll have to pry it from your cold dead fingers.
:neener:

[4v50 Gary]

1) Roger's Rules of Ranging. There's a rule about keeping oneself far apart enough such that two rangers are shot with one bullet. These guys didn't read Roger's Rules. :)

2) Cost effective. Kudos! :cool:

[twoblink]

There they go again, abuse of the word "victim".

Let me give you the Twoblink version:

Anytime you try to run someone over with a car, commit a felony, rob a store etc..

You are a CRIMINAL.. Your victim status is revoked..

Bar had a 2 for 1 special that night huh? (Couldn't resist!)

[Ryder]

No mention if a weapon was used by the suspects? It's not legal in Michigan to defend property with deadly force. Strong arm robbery from within a vehicle? Why didn't she just walk away? She shot them after they accellerated away nearly missing someone? Who was she protecting beyond that point?

Yeah, there's a lot left out of this story. I don't really have an opinion on this. For all I know these dead people could have been stopping to ask her for directions or a date.

a retired Detroit cop who was a former member of Mayor Coleman Young's security team
LUCKY HER! I wouldn't get away with such actions in Michigan.

[Andrew Rothman]

At http://www.clickondetroit.com/contact/, I wrote:


quote:
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Your story, "Police: Bar Owner Kills Two Robbers With Single Shot" refers to one of the dead robbers as a "victim."

Is that not a little confused? I would say, "perpetrator."
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They wrote back:

We would not use the word perpetrator. The *alleged* robber was a victim of a gunshot wound.

Thank you for the message.

Michelle Solomon
Managing Editor
http://www.clickondetroit.com
msolomon@clickondetroit.com
WDIV-TV, Channel 4


So I wrote:

Respectfully, "victim" carries the connotation that the person has been wronged by another.

The word's use in your story implies a judgement by the writer.

A criminal shot in the act of committing a crime sows the seeds of his own injury. The apparent victims were those who were "allegedly" robbed and "allegedly" beaten by the dead guys.

Journalistic ethics would suggest that a neutral term, at least, be used, until official judgement has been passed as to each person's role. Something like "one of the men who was shot."

[Matt G]

Note also that there's no details about the actual robbery for which they were being lawfully detained before they used deadly force to attempt their getawy.

Story was a tad lacking, no?

[Double Naught Spy]

Ryder, as described in the accounts above, deadly force was NOT used in the protection of property. At the point in time when the the robbers used their vehicle as a weapon, the issue of property was moot. AT that time, it is assault with a deadly weapon and in most states, you have the right to use lethal force to protect the life of an individaul, yourself or another, in said situation.

Note that the comment that the two men were shot when they tried to speed away does not necessarily mean they were speeding away from the shooter, but away from the scene. Whether or not that was away from the shooter is not stipulated.

[Ryder]

At the point in time when the the robbers used their vehicle as a weapon

I comprehended that the threat was past. The vehicle had already missed the pedestrian, then she shot. IMO you need to shoot to stop a threat before it can occurr. It's like the deal with that guy who shot the lawyer. Once his gun was empty and he was walking away it would be too late to try defending yourself by shooting him in the back.

[BluesBear]

The alleged robber was a recipient of a fatal gunshot wound.

Sounds much more better to me. :evil:

[scotjute]

As they used the car to attempt to kill someone, that meant they were still armed. For all we know they may have turned around and attempted another murder/injury with the vehicle.

Based on following definitions of fleeing vs retreating :
A person who throws down his weapon and runs away is fleeing.
A person who retains his weapon and runs away is retreating.

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't think the posted story has enough detail to indicate that the shooter shot while the car was approaching her employee or after it has passed the employee.

Sure enough, if the car had passed, then the shooting is not self defense. And sure enough, the guys may be still armed, but being still armed doesn't substantiate being a threat to the bar owner or anyone else if the guys are trying to hit any other pedestrians. Remember Ability, Intent, and Proximity. If passed the employee and not headed at another person, the robbers still had the ability to do harm, but would not be showing intent to do harm and are not in proximity to do harm

[BluesBear]

Instead of just closing the follow up thread to this why wasn't it merged?

:rolleyes: :banghead:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54873

[carpettbaggerr]

Yeah, if you go back a month or more, there are probably a LOT of duplicate threads. :scrutiny: