[tnieto2004]

I shot this one at about 75 yards with a .243 100gr soft point (monarch brand), she didn't run. Buddy has a hog problem and we are on a mission to take them out (losing battle). I used a mossberg ATR 100.

http://i33.tinypic.com/t70k7t.jpg

[seniordep2010]

Got you some wild bacon :D. Way to go, nice picture aswell

[Geno]

Good for you! Nice picture. Thanks for sharing.

Geno

[blackops]

Sounds like a good hunt. Must be nice to have a "problem" with too many pigs. On the private ranch I hunt on there used to be nearly 60 pigs at any given night feeding in an adjacent field from where we would stay (in the lower flats). We would head up high on the hill side very early in the morning (the pigs were bedding up higher on the hill side). Sure enough those pigs would head back from feeding in the flats early in the morning, head to the higher grounds to bed, and we would be right in front of them just picking which big boy we were going to cut off every time. The past two years it has been dry though and there are no pigs at all.

[chas08]

Congratulations, looks like a nice "eater" there. My hunting buddies and I classify them as "eaters" or "draggers". Draggers feed the wildlife and the eaters feed us. My wife has felled numerous hogs with a .243 it's all about shot placement. Nice pic too.

[MCgunner]

Anything that'll take a deer will take a hog and the .243 is a fine deer rifle.

Good shootin'! Fire up the grill. :D

[Blue Brick]

Nice!

[jobin]

Nice hog. Do y'all have stands & feeders set up?

[a-sheepdog]

Nic sized sow, 243 is an effective round when shots are properly placed. Time to crank up the grill.

[Tomecek]

Well done, sir! Consider making sausage, too!

For you Texans, I'm a Texas Czech, and boy howdy do we like to use that feral hog in our sausages. Waste not, want not!

[Fernando]

Hi!

I’m in Portugal and I see you used a Mossberg on the hog. I will soon buy one Mossberg too, in .308 win (model 26252), because they are very inexpensive when compared with our european rifles, but there are some things that I don’t know and would appreciate if you can explain them to me :o

I usually shoot wild boars at night using a benelli argo (I think you call it R1) chambered in 30.06 springfield with a zeiss varipoint 3-12x56 (illuminated), at no more than 100 ou 120 meters away. Can you tell me if the Mossberg is really accurate at that distance or should I expect deviations of more than 5 cm? I’ll be using a meopta 3-12x56 RD on it.

I would also like to know if I need some bipod adapter to use a Harris bipod on the Mossberg or can I just attach it right out of the box :confused:

Thanks,
Fernando


Ps: Our boars are uglier than yours, lol :D

http://i47.tinypic.com/2hp0tqv.jpg

Caught on the night of 22nd to 23rd of June ;)

[Fernando]

Does anyone else have a Mossberg 100 ATR in .308?? I thought that gun was common in US :scrutiny:

More ugly European boars:

http://i48.tinypic.com/15mxxs8.jpg

[skunyun]

OINK

[Fernando]

More

Need more than a Oink, here, lolol

Can I attach a harris bipod directly to the gun or do I have to drill a hole and screw a stud in the stock? Or is there any adapter?:banghead:

http://i49.tinypic.com/2quqm50.jpg

Harris bipods are American or British? Christ, does anybody have one? Should I look for other brands?

More pigs:

http://i49.tinypic.com/4vjpdv.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/abrqxf.jpg

[skunyun]

The harris bipod attaches to the sling stud. OINK

[Fernando]

"The harris bipod attaches to the sling stud."

On the gun there is only a hole for quick detachable sling swivels (QD). There is no bolt, no stud. Can the harris bipod attach DIRECTLY to that hole in the stock. This hole:

http://i48.tinypic.com/v6m88y.jpg

More bacon, as you call it lol
http://i49.tinypic.com/2l91owk.jpg

[skunyun]

I think it will. Going to be close due to the inset (looks like just a little of the hole) But I think it will work. Here piggy piggy OINK

[skunyun]

I think I would like to get me one of those snorting packages of bacon. OINK

[Fernando]

Crap, lol. I will have to wait for the gun to arrive, then, to look at it carefully and see what kind of hole is that, lol. I’ve ordered the Mossberg in last May and it should get here next month (August). I was thinking of buying a harris tripod from ebay, but I’ll wait another month.

Thanks, skunyun

You should get one while the bacon is young…
http://i48.tinypic.com/2q15p5i.jpg

Because if you let it get older the bacon can, and probably will, fight back, lololol
http://i45.tinypic.com/141v9ro.jpg

[skunyun]

I will try to get a few pics of my set up without the bi pod and try to show ya where and how it attaches.
Hey you got that one with a big rock, lol,right in the nose, saves ammo oink

[Fernando]

Ok, thanks.

About the piggy with the bloody nose, I used a federal trophy tip 180 gr and the bullet hit the ribs on the left side, broke is column/spine and stopped by the neck - his head was down as he was eating the corn that I had spread on the land. Shot at about 80 meters, on 2.20 AM.

Because it was a male, I had to cut his ball off to keep the rest of the meat safe from nasty odours (we cannot move a dead boar with his balls attached, lol).

And then I gave him a lift home, lol:
http://i47.tinypic.com/14ukqd4.jpg

[skunyun]

Ok the first pic shows the bi pod with the attaching do dad down
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/th_BiPod.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/?action=view&current=BiPod.jpg)

The second show it up (see the distance, I think it will attach to your set up)

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/th_Bipod2.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/?action=view&current=Bipod2.jpg)

The third shows it attached to my pig stick oink

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/th_Rem.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/skunyun/?action=view&current=Rem.jpg)

[Fernando]

You are fast, no doubt about it, lol. Thanks

In the second photo there are two steel teeth that probably will grab that hole on the mossberg’s stock. Don’t know if they will grab it securely, tough. When you screw the bipod, those teeth touch each other firmly? Because if not… the gun will get loose

It’s 16.30h, here. Will leave work now, but later today I will post some photos of my actual pig stick too lololol

[skunyun]

Yeah, it has a screw on the bottom that you tighten after you insert the teeth into the hole. then it pulls it nice and snug. won't fall off. The pigs will love it. they will just lay down bloody nose and all, ionk
But if you keep using rocks you won't need a bi pod. lol

[Fernando]

Instead of rocks, I think I could kill them with one of my current tripods, because I made them with construction steel, lolol (I cannot weld aluminum).

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ebfnfa.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/ak8x8n.jpg


As promised, my pig stick, lol:

http://i50.tinypic.com/ayoo04.jpg

As it has EAW pivot mounts, quick detachable, I can use several scopes on it. Currently I own a zeiss victory varipoint 3-12x56 (illuminated), a meopta 3-12x56 (illuminated), a Hawke 1,25-4x24 (illuminated) and a Yukon Sentinel 3x60 (Night Vision). All can be attached to the gun in seconds, because all have EAW rings or EAW rail (all use the same base mounts).

The two 3-12x56:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2isz1ue.jpg

The Yukon:
http://i45.tinypic.com/e9hy6s.jpg

The Mossberg .308 will use the meopta, with fixed mounts.

More European wild bacon:
http://i50.tinypic.com/23m39ug.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/w9ip1f.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2qdvos3.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/sl0lrc.jpg


Thanks for the info on the bipod!

[mstirton]

Why do you want a Mossberg when you have the R1? I've heard the Mossberg is nice and should easily get you 5cm groups @ 100m. I think I'd rather have the Savage 11 for an inexpensive 308. The new ones have a better trigger and stock (Accutrigger, Accustock) than the Mossberg and might only be $100 more.

[Fernando]

A friend of mine was importing a pile of rifles and asked me if I wanted one because they were cheap. I said that I was going to think about it and that I would get back to him a few days later with the answer, but he then said: if you order later, I cannot guarantee you a good price. So I said: how much is the rifle? And He said: real cheap. And I said ok. I chose the caliber .308 (different from what I currently have – 30.06) and he told me what brand was it (Mossberg), lol.

The Mossberg will cost less than half of the meopta (that spend the days stored in the closet), less than one third of the R1 and less than one forth of the zeiss, so why the hell shouldn’t I get one? I just need it to shoot straight at 100 or 150 meters.

The R1 is very accurate but is a pain in the ass to keep it clean. The gases are corrosive and the accumulation of the carbon can make it jam when expelling the cartridge. The chromium from inner parts will go away very fast if you don’t clean the mechanism after shooting few rounds. The dealer in Portugal says it’s normal, lol.

At night I usually need one shot only. No need for a semi-auto or a bigger caliber if I don’t expect close encounters or if I am planning to take home a little fellow (the boars with 50 to 60kg are the best, because you can drag or carry them without having to call friends to help you, lol - more than 70kg and you are screwed, not only because it is dark but you may have to cross streams or hills to get to the car with the bloody pig).

I had bolt action rifles before and they were pretty accurate (had a mannlicher sbs 96 classic). And need no demanding cleaning. Don’t expect the mossberg to be as much accurate but I trust it can hold as much dirt, lolol, because I don’t want to spend my days with a brush and oil.

When hunting in daytime fast moving pigs, will use the R1 30.06 (most people here uses 9,3x62). At nigh (from growing quarter of moon to full moon), will use the Mossberg .308, unless I expect the presence of a big and old boar. The R1 will keep using the all other scopes, including the night vison, and mossberg will use the meopta 3-12x56 RD with fixed mounts.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2rep8o6.jpg

Don’t know about you, but here we can hunt boars at night, standing still (the process is called “waiting”), in the 8 nights before full moon until the night after the full moon (total of 10 nights). There are few things as beautiful and exciting as hunting wild boars at night. And they are smart, I tell you (especially the older ones). They can get next to you without you knowing they are there, or they can be still in the same spot for 3 or 4 hours without dragging a foot or make some kind of noise, just trying to smell or hear something. And they can grow big, lololol

http://i28.tinypic.com/30rxv8z.jpg

[Fernando]

I forgot to say thanks for the info on the mossberg

Thank you, Mstirton

Try to imagine this at night, with the sky full of stars and the moon over your head. And then some noise, a black shadow… and baaaam, lololol.

http://i32.tinypic.com/313nbet.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/i4hbi9.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/5eimvp.jpg

Photos in hdr, taken with canon 350D.

[Fernando]

Something like this but with less horizon light:

http://i31.tinypic.com/wlxagk.jpg

[Fernando]

I’ve heard about the savage rifles, but if I order something from a catalogue, the gun would probably be imported alone, and the price would be higher. Every gun that enters the country must be inspected by the police, and high taxes are due. If a gun enters alone, it will pay those taxes alone, because most of them are fixed taxes. If the gun comes with other, the total of the taxes is dissolved by each, and the importer can sell them cheaper.

We are a small country and there are not many rifles in stock at the stores. If a store needs one to sell to a customer, many times even the distributor (central dealer of the brand for Portugal) has to order it from the States, or other European countries, because he also doesn’t have it in stock. It’s the same thing with the ammo. Every lot of ammo imported has to be inspected, samples are taken, and costumers wait months and months for everything that is not in stock. And pay a fortune.

The Mossberg will cost half than a CZ 550, and the CZ is our less expensive bolt rifle. A R1, semi-auto, or a browning bar (also semi auto), will cost almost twice the CZ. A browning x-bolt costs more than the double of the Mossberg. A bloody set of EAW pivot mounts (rings and bases) cost as much or even more than the Mossberg (if imported in a lot, with others).

This is the other side of the Atlantic, lol. We don’t have much guns walking around. We cannot even advertise our used guns if we want to sell them, lol. The fine is about 1000 euros. Only dealers can advertise guns and only in speciality magazines.

But we are different in many ways too, because we don’t hunt what you hunt. We pursue mostly wild boars. In daytime, we make a circle or a line with hunters, and then force the boars with dogs to that line or to the edges of the circle - we call that process “Batida”: the hunters stay still (at more or less 100 meters from each other) and wait for the dogs to find and make the boars run out of their hidings. The dogs are grown and trained to do that so they are very good at. In night time, we can wait for the boars in the woods (10 nights a month) – the process is called “Espera”.

Boars are very resistant animals (made of heavy muscle and bones), so we have no use for calibres smaller than a .30 caliber. In fact, in “Batida”, most people uses 9,3x62, 9,3x64, 375h&h or even higher and heavier bullets, and practically no one uses the .308, because it has no stopping power with adult boars (if the boar doesn’t stop in front of you, the next guy in line, about 100 meters to your right or left, will probably get a chance of killing it, and you don’t want that lol). In semi-auto rifles we can only use 3 rounds (one in the chamber and two in the magazine), so we have to aim real good at a fast and unpredictable target. And some boars take 4, 5 and more shots until they drop dead, even if hit in mortal areas – a boar can run more than 100 meters with pierced lungs and I’ve seen them run for more than 40 or 60 meters with heart shots.

So, the smaller calibre used in “Batida” is the 30.06 (no one risks using less), and usually with heavy bullets (200 or 220 gr). Some use .300 win magnum, and that is a powerfull round, but pierces the boars too fast, not causing as much damage nor having the same stopping power as a 9,3mm bullet. Some use .338, but because it is not so common, bullets are much more expensive and difficult to find.

At night, in “Espera”, we can use .308 and 30.06 without major problems, because the boars are not running but standing still. We can aim real good, use a tripod or bipod, wait for them to present us with a good position to shoot. We can also lose a boar really easy, though, if we choose a wrong bullet type, or if we precipitate the shot. And it is dark. And there is a muzzle glare. And sometimes the boars were in a group of 9 or 12 and after the shot everybody runs, and although one is mortally shot you don’t know which way he went, lol. And you have to track it at nigh, sometimes with few or no blood. And they have teeth that can open you up real fast, or make a hole in you before you can see it coming.

That’s why we don’t use anything less than 180gr bullets, lolol

[Fernando]

Calibers :scrutiny:

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