[Master Blaster]

Yesterday I placed an order with Midway and discovered that I had ordered something that cant be shipped to DE according to their computer.

So I asked and was told by customer service that they are not shipping ammo to Massachussetts because the Attorney General fined them.

So what does this have to do with the State of Delaware??????

After questioning it a supervisor from Customer service called me back, and said that the ATF has published a guide to state and local laws. In the guide it says that the City of Wilmington was requireing a business license to sell guns and ammo so since Midway had been fined by Massachussetts they were taking no chances.

Every business in Wilmington needs a business license, that has not changed in at least 50 years, There is no seperate license to sell firearms and ammo in addition to the FFL other than a business license.
Lack of a local business license never stopped mail order or internet sales before. They mumbled something about paying sales tax, DE does not have a sales tax.

I also dont live in the city of Wilmington, I pointed this out and was told that if one municipality in the whole state restricts sales (they have not),
Then Midways computer red flags the whole state. They wont even ship to my FFL now!!!!!!!


I let Midway know my displeasure with their lack of effort on behalf of the Gun owners of DE.


I ordered ammo from AIM Surplus instead.

If you live in DE dont bother with Midway, they have seen my last order, lots of other folks I can take my business to.

:cuss: :fire:

LET ME REPEAT THERE IS NO LAW IN DE OR WILMINGTON THAT PREVENTS MIDWAY FROM SELLING AMMO HERE TO ANYONE OVER 18 FOR RIFLE AND 21 FOR PISTOL.

They have not been fined or told to cease and desist by DE officials.

[MaterDei]

Seems to me that you should be ranting and raving about your state's laws and those of Mass., not Midway.

They are just trying to stay in business in a very unfriendly environment.

Just my $.02.

MaterDei

[Master Blaster]

MaterD

There is no law in DE that restricts them from selling.

Did you READ the post?????

[Mike Irwin]

"Seems to me that you should be ranting and raving about your state's laws..."

That's the point.

WHAT state law?

There isn't one, according to Blaster, yet Midway flags the entire state anyway.

[Sunray]

No law, and you did exactly what you should do. Go elsewhere. You may want to send a letter to the president of Midway asking him about his policies. Or buy some stock and be sure and go to the meetings.

[Master Blaster]

The reason I posted this is to make other folks aware.

Midway is a large supplier on the Net, If they take actions like this without looking into the facts, it wont be long before other folks in other states have similar restrictions real or Imagined placed on what they buy.

[NEtracker]

Thanks to the Atty Gnrl (who has absolute power) here in MA,
No shipments to MA from,
AIM
Ammoman
Midway
Kieslers
Ammobank
Ammunitionplus
etc., etc., etc.

I believe the lawsuits against the out of state cos. has to do with not being a "licensed MA dealer", and "selling ammunition in violation of Massachusetts Law". No, it makes no difference that the cos are not in MA. Midway, ammoman, and Kieslers were fined $2500, and if they jump though hoops, and sell in MA again, they will be monitored.

[Master Blaster]

Delaware is not part of Massachussetts

Last time I checked
:barf:

[joe4702]

Midway also refused to ship a blackpowder revolver to California,
although it is legal for them to do so. I ordered it from Cabelas
instead. Unfortunately, I think they are over-lawyered. If they don't
mind losing business by imposing needless restrictions on
what/where they'll ship, that's their choice. I let them know they
lost ALL of my future business to companies with a little more
fortitude who don't let their fraidy-cat lawyers dictate company
policy.

[NEtracker]

Delaware is not part of Massachussetts

Last time I checked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I know, just commenting on the state of things in the Peoples Republic.

[Praxis]

Next thing you know, Midway will tell you that Delaware is not a real state!
"Sorry Sir, we can't seem to find your state on this map...therefore it must not exist.":rolleyes:

Guess I'm out of luck with Midway too.

All right class, repeat after me...Delaware is not Massachusetts.
:uhoh: :uhoh:

Ben

[RocketMan]

I wonder if Midway has ever refused to ship "out of the country" to New Mexico?
That happens with some mail order businesses from time to time, having seen a few funny stories about it.

[FPrice]

For those curious about what has happened in The People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts (which is NOT a part of Delaware):

"Mail Order Ammunition Sales Issues

Have you tried to buy ammunition through the mail from an out of state vendor recently? GOAL members who attempted this have been repeatedly told that “It’s against the law to ship to Massachusetts” and “the law changed recently”.

Several companies specializing in catalog sales have made a business decision not to sell to Massachusetts because they find it nearly impossible to understand our convoluted state laws OR because they did not have the software to keep up with such sales. These companies have concluded that they should verify that purchasers have a license to carry or FID card. But they don’t have the capability of accepting a phone order, putting that order on hold, and matching it up with a piece of mail that comes in a week later. It’s a logistical nightmare that larger companies just can’t handle.

But what about this “the law changed recently” rumor that has surfaced? In fact, the “new” problem with internet and mail order sales has been created by the Massachusetts Attorney General, who is relying on his interpretation of certain sections of Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998, a law that is five years old. Our Attorney General recently conducted sting operations on selected out of state dealers, purchasing ammunition from internet sales sites and then serving the vendors with “five day letters” asking for a $5000 fine per transaction for allegedly “breaking” our state’s laws.

At issue are several questions such as whether an out of state vendor must be licensed to sell ammunition, where such sales are taking place, and what is the proper legal way for these sales to happen. Negotiations between lawyers, vendors and the AG’s office are ongoing.

In the meantime, the Gun Control Advisory Board may be considering a regulation to clarify what the process should be. GOAL is working to ensure that both in-state and out-of-state vendors have input into this process.

Given all of the above facts, many ammunition vendors are currently reluctant to sell in Massachusetts. We ask that you be patient with them while the lawyers sort it all out."

http://www.goal.org/mailorder.htm

[sctman800]

I just heard somewhere that Midway is temporaly stopping sales of ammo and components to Illinois because of threats of legal action because it is illegal to sell them in Chicago. IIRC They plan to resume sales when they can update their software to recognize Chicago area zip codes. I am sorry to hear this, but I will just be angry at Chicago, and Governor Daley. Jim.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

This is how the fascists work the system: make it unrpofitable/severely inconvenient/risky to sell in a STATE or any CITY within a STATE...too much trouble for a marginal business to overcome the hurdles. De facto ammo and supply ban.

I thought Delaware was a county????:rolleyes:

[Chipperman]

CA NY MD and NJ will not be far behind. :cuss:

[Majic]

With Midway being a mail order and internet business it sounds like they are slowly taking themselves right out of the business.
They were pretty good when they offered free shipping, but when they started charging for shipping they became no better than any other mail order business.

[RobW]

Isn't it wonderful, to live in the most free country on earth?

[Standing Wolf]

Yeah, but we're not a police state.

[Blain]

Thanks to the Atty Gnrl (who has absolute power) here in MA,
No shipments to MA from,
AIM
Ammoman
Midway
Kieslers
Ammobank
Ammunitionplus
etc., etc., etc.


Where CAN MA residents get ammo shipped from?

[BluesBear]

Well IF the order I placed with Midway LAST WEEK ever gets here it will be my last with them.

Not shipping to DE is just poppycock.

I'll stick with CDNN and Doug Kiesler.
CDNN is faster and Doug has been a personal friend for over 25 years.