[RTFM]

-=Erhardt SiGARMS Director of Marketing=-
On behalf of SIGARMS I'd like to say thank you for all your kind comments and for being loyal customers of the SIGARMS brands. I'd also like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. My name if Paul Erhardt and I am the new Director of Marketing for SIGARMS.

Yes, it's no joke, I am actually writing to you from inside the corporate office in Exeter, NH, where they make and sell what you and I know to be the finest firearms in the world.

Here is the question.

-=Screaming .357G =-
Well let me first say WELCOME to the board.
And thanks for making the 226ST.357 (my favorite).

BTW a sig 1911 with a light rail similar to the kimber TLE/RL II would be sooooooooo nice hint,hint,nudge,nudge.

And here is where the SiGARMS Director of Marketing takes a poke a Kimber!!:what:

-=Erhardt SiGARMS Director of Marketing=-

Like A Kimber?

We'd love to make something like a Kimber but we have a strict policy of making things BETTER. Hope you don't mind - and that my friends at Kimber (yes I know those guys too) don't hunt me down at SHOT Show. - PAUL

Ouch!
Kind of lame to take a poke like that.
To imply that Kimber is inferior?
I love my Sig, don't get me wrong, but what a way to make an introduction to a forum as the SiGARMS Director of Marketing.

Link
SiGARMS Director of Marketing. (http://sigforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=674608412&f=430601935&m=43560413)

RTFM

[MJRW]

It's not a poke at Kimber. He isn't saying the Kimbers are bad. He's just saying Sig's policy is to look at the next guy, and improve upon it.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

What's the problem???

Sigs ARE better than Kimbers-----don't own either---so don't have a dog in this fight.

Sigs don't seems to fit me well---so don't own one.

Kimbers---how to say this----just never struck me as a quality weapon----sure I've looked all the models over and tried to like them because of all the glowing reports---but will never drop the bucks down on one cause there is just something there that seems cheap to me----just my opinion.

[Pumpkinheaver]

I've owned a sig 220 and a kimber cc, I've still got the kimber! The sig is long gone.

[cordex]

Don't see that as an insult to Kimber, just pride in SIG.

(Don't own either, would sooner get one of Kimber's 1911s than Sig's P2** series, though that is more a function of design preferance than a quality observation.)

[buzz_knox]

1. Taking a poke at someone isn't an insult. He stated he has friends over there, and I looked at it as friendly rivalry.

2. He's on sigforum.com so what did you expect "Kimbers rule"

3. More importantly, he's the DIRECTOR OF MARKETING FOR SIGARMS. If he didn't say SIGARMS did it better, we'd think he was nuts or incompetent.

[George Hill]

That's his JOB.

[Langenator]

Well, if you want to look at it from a slightly different angle, maybe he's admitting, without coming right out and saying it, that they can't make something better than Kimber, so they're not going to try.

[Correia]

You must not know many marketing people. That is pretty darn mild. :D

[larryw]

I'm one of those "marketing people". That's nothing.

Me thinks thou protest too much.

[Illuminate]

I would say something like that to a friend, let alone a marketing competitor.

[Black Snowman]

It sounded to me like they don't like to compete if they don't KNOW it's a better product which is why they don't have anything to fill that nitche. When they do it better, if there is enough market, then they might put it out.

I think he was being downright friendly for a marketing guy. When my Dad was in marketing at Cerner he asked his VP what the differance between marketing and lying was and her response was "There's a difference?" :scrutiny:

[BevrFevr]

The guy sounded pretty good natured to me. I sort of like the fact that the guy is loyal. I like loyalty even when it works against me.

-bevr

[WonderNine]

How about this:

I don't like Sigs or Kimbers.

[Sean Smith]

Fair game. Certainly, Sig has a much better rep for reliability and not having large random components break in two than Kimber does.

[Erich]

Seemed friendly to me. Why the fuss?

[jimmyjoebob]

I think he made 2 good points
1) Sig tries to make the best weapon system possible
2) Sig will not make a 1911 because Kimber makes it better than anyone else.

For that I agree when in the 1911 market, Kimber beats Colt, Springfield and Smith. Sure there are custom makers like STI and others, but from a sheer volume/pricing point Kimber is the most bang for the buck.

[RTFM]

I don't know. Maby it was in good nature, but it looks like a jab a Kimber to me.

-=jimmyjoebob=-
2) Sig will not make a 1911 because Kimber makes it better than anyone else.

As far as Sig not making a 1911, I think that is about to change



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Scuttlebut is that the new release in AZ will be a Sig 1911
*yawn*
I'm hoping that is just misinformation.
How boring would ANOTHER 1911 be?
Now release a new 10mm and sign me up!

RTFM

[Black Snowman]

OMG a SIG 10mm would be the death of my credit card! I'd have to get one.
:eek:

[Vic303]

A SIG 1911 in various sized frames for .45ACP would ROCK! I'd have to buy one. I love SIGs and 1911's!

[Ala Dan]

No flames, but I'm sticking with SIGARMS; cuz to me, they
make the best combat weapon (.45 caliber P220A) in the
world!:D :uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[J.Bourne]

It was pure jest posted on the Sigforum, where some of the most loyal Sigophiles converse. Get over it.

And yes, Sigs ARE better than Kimbers. ;) :p

[jimmyjoebob]

RTFM-
hey if SIG makes a 1911 I will look it over, I have several SIG ponys in my stable :) But at the moment my Kimber is the king in my 1911 section, and I still want a TLE.

I too am wanting a SIG 10mm, heck every time the poll comes up on the SIGForum I keep voting yes I want one. Is this new release possibly their new K-trigger system? It is supposed to go up against Glock, who knows

[J.Bourne]

...to be fair, I should admit that I've been lusting after a Kimber TLE...

[TheLastBoyScout]

My impression was that that wasn't a poke at Kimber, he was just trying to say that SiG doesn't copy, they improve. He probably meant "SIG wouldn't make the same thing as anyone else, we would improve on it first".

That message could only be a "poke" if you believe that no one could possibly improve on Kimber and the mere suggestion is offensive.:what:

But thats just my take on it, YMMV.

[JohnK]

A jab at Kimber, or a jab at 1911's in general? Afterall no matter how good a Kimber is it's still just a 1911. (ducks for cover :evil: )

[KevlarTester]

A mild ribbing of the competition, big deal.

Kimber makes 1911 clones, that's their market and they do it well.
Sig makes a totally different firearm, why should they jump into the 1911 clone business. Let S&W be another 1911 also ran.

All Sig needs to do is make a 10mm pistol and the world would be a better place...for you and me...

[B27]

Wellll........now SIG doesn't make a TOTALLY different firearm.:D

[shooter.45]

Well they did make a 1911 Sig that is and they are full sized frames with rail. In stainless and some kind of Black finish. Looks pretty cool

[QB]

RTFM -- why didin't you post the rest of what Erhardt have to say about his comment concerning Kimber? Not really fair to post only part of what he said.

Here's another comment from Erhardt later in the tread:
What I mean is that we all have opinions about other companies and their products but I'd never want to have somebody here make an off the cuff remark that is negative about a competitor. I wouldn't want them doing it and in many cases we know them. My comment about Kimber is in jest and I really do know the guys over there. We used their guns in our media seminars - as well as others.

[J.Bourne]

If you register on Sigforum, you can see the pics.

It looks very, very nice to these eyes of mine. YMMV.

I also like the fact that it has a light rail.

[KevlarTester]

This is just what the firearms industry needed, another 1911. YEAH!!:rolleyes:
So now Sig is just one of a hundred other companies selling 1911 clones.
I wish them luck.

My next Sig purchase will be a P232 unless of course they produce a 10mm.

[Rob96]

The new Sig 1911.
http://sigforum.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=674608412&f=430601935&m=40360223&p=1

[VG]

In what is generally a slower-moving forum, this thread generated 14 pages of comment in a few hours.

[nick89302]

It was meant as a little good-natured ribbing, not as a derogatory remark. It was later clarified so there would be no hard feelings.

Here is the link and the quote:

"What I mean is that we all have opinions about other companies and their products but I'd never want to have somebody here make an off the cuff remark that is negative about a competitor. I wouldn't want them doing it and in many cases we know them. My comment about Kimber is in jest and I really do know the guys over there."


http://sigforum.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=674608412&f=430601935&m=43560413&p=2

It's the fifth post down.

[Tamara]

he was just trying to say that SiG doesn't copy,

It must've been tough to say that with a straight face. ;)

[1911Tuner]

Tamara...:D

During my early employment with RJR Tobacco, one of the neatest,
most subtle pokes I ever saw was directed toward them by the makers
of Saratogas. (Ligget? B&W?)

We had introduced More, the long (120mm) skinny cigarette that was
fast capturing a segment of the market. Enter the Saratoga 120.
Their ad campaign wasn't aggressive, but it was ingenious. The
first ad that I remember seeing was:

How to smoke longer without smoking more...:D

Our plant manager, a die-hard company man grinned and said:
"I could like that if I let myself."

These things are part of the game. I don't think the statement was
meant to be a slur. Just part of the game.

Cheers all!

Tuner

[BluesBear]

Saratogas were/are Phillip Morris
In the early 1960s they came in a very thin injection molded plastic pack with a red snap-on top.
Phillip Morris brand came in the same pack for a while but they had a green top.

I remember playing with the packs because, in 1963, a family member worked on the Saratoga packing line, in Louisville, and would bring them home.

[Waitone]

Gentle poke from an industry insider about industry insiders done in the hearing of an industry customer.

No problem, quite mild, goes on all the time.

No different than the flame wars conducted on THR.

[45R]

Have you been to the 1911 forum lately.....everyone takes a poke a Kimber even its owners.

[raz-0]

seriously, it's also a bad poke at kimber.

we wouldn't make something like a kimber product because we like to make things better.

Could mean that kimbers are poor quality, or it could mean that kimber is the pinnacle and we couldn't improve on it so we can't make a superior product.

;)
don't get me wrong, kimbers are awful, but youcould read it either way.
(it's SARCASM sheesh).