[ReadyontheRight]

A virtual variation on NRA Bullseye Pistol.

NRA Bullseye is the granddaddy of pistol competition. You shoot standing, unaided, ONE-HANDED. Competitors typically stand sideways and place their off-hand in their pants pocket. The original courses of fire were designed for shooters to master Civilian (.22lr), Police (.38 spl) and Military (.45 ACP) pistol shooting.

We'll shoot the three slowfire stages at 50 feet to allow for indoor shooting. I could only find a .pdf file of the NRA's official 50 yard target, so we'll have a little bit more target to shoot than the real deal.

Target: http://www.tackdriver.com/pix0703/nra50sf.pdf

Stage 1 -- Civilian -- .22 caliber rimfire -- 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Stage 2 -- Law Enforcement -- Centerfire, any centerfire caliber. You can use your .45 ACP 1911 here. 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Stage 3 -- Military -- .45 ACP Caliber. 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Total possible 300-30x

Classes:

1. Hard Ball -- All pistols in each stage are standard, out of the box. The military stage is shot with 230 grain, full metal jacket, round nose bullet ammo out of a standard military 1911 with no improvements in trigger, grips, barrel, barrel bushing, etc. The fore strap and rear of the grip may be covered with non-slip adhesive tape. Fixed sites on the .45, but scopes allowed in rimfire and centerfire stages.

2. Standard -- All stages use out of the box pistols with no improvements other than scopes or adjustable sites. Target ammo allowed. Scopes allowed.

3. Improved -- One or more stage uses a pistol with improved barrel, trigger, bushing, etc. or a pistol from a manufacturer with a guaranteed MOA. Target ammo allowed. Scopes allowed.

4. Open -- For those who do not have both a .22 and .45 pistol. Any pistol allowed in any stage.

Some excellent information on getting into and becoming successful at NRA Bullseye Pistol shooting is available here:

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/

And here is an excellent correction chart showing WHY you shoot where you do. Use this while you practice.

http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/images/correction_chart.gif

And here's a correction chart for you lefties:

http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/images/correctionchart_lefthanded.gif

Remember that you score in the higher ring when you break the line.

Post your results here or e-mail to: mailinmatch@yahoo.com

Be sure to wear ear and eye protection.

Ready on the Right! Ready on the Left! Ready on the Firing Line!

Shoot safely and good luck!

[Black Snowman]

This sounds like a lot of fun, I know what I'm shooting:

Stage 1: Standard : Browning BuckMark 5.5 Nickel target with ProPoint 5.

Stage 2: Law Enforcement: Hard Ball : Taurus 669, 6" ported barrel, iron sights, shooting 38 special loads.

Stage 3: Military : Open : Glock 24P with JP Custom Doublering sights or Standard with Kamicosmos' new CZ-97B if he'll let me.

Am I classifying these correctly? Should I make any changes?

I also have a Desert Eagle that I chould shoot .44 Mag or .50 AE, although I prefer the triggers on my other guns. .50 AE for the Law Enforcement or Military stages might be fun but 10 rounds one handed can get a little rough on the ole palm :D

[ReadyontheRight]

Sorry on the confusion.

Each of us will enter in One Class only with three stages. Unless you shoot Open class, you need to shoot a .45 ACP in the 3rd stage. You need a very specific 1911 and ammo to shoot in the Hardball Class.

Hardball refers to shooting 230gr FMJ through a .45 ACP in the Military stage. It's a classification to encourage proficiency with the standard military issue .45 ammo and weapon. (I think they'll even GIVE you hardball ammo paid for by the NRA if you'll shoot it at an official match.)

The Military stage requires .45 ACP (I'm not sure what the official NRA's answer's been to that since the 9mm was adopted in 1985), so if you don't have a .45, you're in the Open class.

I hope that's clearer. From the guns you describe Black Snowman, you're in the Open Class.

Please everyone let me know if you have other questions.

[Black Snowman]

Good thing I posted something. Thanks for the clarification.

[Kamicosmos]

Excellent choice for this month! I've always wanted to try Bullseye...and I just got a new .45! And (here comes the foot in the mouth part) I've been practicing one handed a bit recently, so this will be a good workout/test.

I plan on shooting the following:

Stage 1 -- Civilian -- .22 caliber rimfire
Ruger Mark II slabside with dot sight (I may take the dot scope off and use the irons though on this one)

Stage 2 -- Law Enforcement -- Centerfire, any centerfire caliber
Beretta 96FS .40 S&W

Stage 3 -- Military -- .45 ACP Caliber
CZ-97B

Class will be Standard.

Is this correct?

[ReadyontheRight]

Kamicosmos -- Correct. I didn't realize CZ made a .45 ACP. So if Black Snowman shoots your CZ, he too would be in the Standard class.

I've always wanted to shoot NRA Bullseye Pistol also. I took a class, but I had something come up and I couldn't make the event the next day. There are a lot of clubs. My local club is very interested in new members. I suggest you check out local clubs and get out to an event or a seminar. Most Bullseye shooters seem to have an extra hardball gun they will loan to new competitors. Like most shooters, they are very open and friendly if you show interest in their sport.

[El Rojo]

The question is, where is my Ruger MK II? I think it might be in my dad's safe. I think for the second stage I will be using the Taurus PT92C instead of my Glock 27. And of course stage three will be the COlt 1911 Mark IV in .45 ACP.

If I want to shoot the hardball class, what kind of .22 ammo can I use? Are 240 gr. reloads fine for the .45 ACP? If I use target .22 ammo will that put me in the standard class? Can I shoot two or three classes this month? I would think you could shoot up to three classes. I would discourage the open class from anyone who can shoot the other three classes. Do you guys agree?

Depending on what .22 ammo I am allowed to use for hardball, I think I will shoot the hardball class and the standard class if ROTR allows it.

[photo_guy]

Good questions El Rojo. I was about to post the same ones.
The requirements for the .45 hardball ammo have been defined but what about for the other stages in hardball class?

I knew there was a reason I kept some of my guns unmodified. I might be able to do hardball class with my Norinco 1911, Security Six (in keeping with the original definition of the stages), and S&W M41.

Ugh - one handed. This could be ugly.

[WhoKnowsWho]

Cool, I've been practicing a bit one handed! Now I just need to get to the range!

[DMK]

How about this for the hardball class?

Stage 1: CZ-Kadet - factory stock (also have a Ruger Single Six, also stock) Any ammo requirement for .22 in Hardball class?

Stage 2: S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman - factory stock, .38 Special S&B 158gr. FMJ (Could shoot a factory stock Colt CCO with the ammo below instead)

Stage 3: All Original, WWII Spec 1911A1 with itty bitty sights. (factory stock Sistema actually), 45ACP S&B 230gr. FMJ

Am I correct about the Sistema for Stage 3/Hardball, or would the CCO be legal with 230gr. FMJ ammo?

[Quantrill]

ROTR,
Good weather for this type of match. The sweat doesn't run in your eyes as much in November. I am looking forward to this as an old (OLD) bullseye shooter. It would really be neat, as a future match, to have this same protocol but limit it to revolvers only. Unless someone has a K-22, K-38 and a 1955 model Smith (I have none of these), or the Colt equivilents, it should be a real mish-mash of wheelguns, pulling out some guns from WAY back of the safe. Quantrill

[Chris Rhines]

Excellent. I love bullseye.

Civilian - Pardini SPE .22LR, box-stock, with a Docter sight.
Police - S&W Model 19, unmodified.
Military - Colt 1911, WWI issue, unmodified.

Hardball class.

- Chris

[ReadyontheRight]

The requirements for the .45 hardball ammo have been defined but what about for the other stages in hardball class

Unless someone knows the official hardball rules, I would say that the other two stages in the Hardball class are open to any non-improved .22 and centerfire pistol using match, reloaded or regular ammo.

Can I shoot two or three classes this month?

I'll rescind my earlier rule and allow everyone to shoot in up to 3 classes as El Rojo suggests. The open class is still only for those who can't shoot in any other.

DMK -- Is the CCO a military Colt? If not I'd say use the Sistema. That's what I'm using.

They all fall to the Hardball! It looks like that's going to be a popular class.

[280PLUS]

.22 ruger target model with red dot

and

my 9mm hi power, no scope

where and what can i shoot?

sorry no .45,,,

[ReadyontheRight]

280Plus -- You're in the Open class. Good luck!

[280PLUS]

i'll just use the hp for 2 and 3,

it'll give me a good excuse to get it dirty,,,:rolleyes:

:D

[Grump]

Uh, isn't that a 50-yard center? And we're shooting it at 50 FEET!?!?!?

Fine. I get flinchy on timed and rapid anyway.:uhoh: Been almost a year since I practiced this anyway. Maybe I'll actually send in a target this time.:D

[280PLUS]

my computer refuses to open the targets or print anymore

(just had it "fixed" too:fire: )

so if i just use NRA 50 yd smallbore targets will i be on the right track??

ahhh, modern technology,,,to love it or hate it,,,i don't know

both i guess...

m

[ACP230]

So, if I drop a shot outside the black on the 50 Yard Slow Fire target, I get seven, correct?

What if I drop one outside the rings but keep it on the paper?
I'm guessing I get zero for that, but I would take a six. :)

[Grump]

280PLUS:
It's the NRA B-6 pistola target, 50-yard slow fire. Black goes out to the 8-inch 8-ring (same size as the 10 in the NRA Action Pistol "R2D2" target), and the 10-ring is about 3 inches.

See why Bullseye shooters want guns that shoot 1-inch groups at 25 yards?:neener: :neener:

First practice was a 95-3x with the .45 and 94-1x with the 9mm. I wouldn't be ashamed if I did that at 50 yards.:uhoh:

[ReadyontheRight]

Uh, isn't that a 50-yard center? And we're shooting it at 50 FEET!?!?!?

Grump is correct on the target - NRA B-6. I got tired of looking for the right target in .pdf. This is all for fun anyway.

Completely outside the rings is a zero. Remember to count the highest ring you break a line into.

So Grump -- when you do this for real, you'll not revert to your practice targets -- correct?:) Nice shooting!

[ACP230]

Here are my Nov. scores. Some of the stages were shot indoors last Thursday and some outside today after we got a break in the weather.

Hardball
Smith M18 .22 with Thunderbolt ammo
99 4X

Smith M28 with 125 grain Rem/UMC 125 grain semi-jacketed .38s.
76 1X

Colt 1991A1 Commander with Hardball Equiv 230 grain FMJ reloads.
86 0X
Total: 261 5X

Standard
Colt New Frontier .22 with Wolf Match Target ammo.
83 1X

Smith Model 28 with .357 reloads, 158 grain LSWC.
97 4X

Colt 1991A1 Commander with 200 grain SWC target reloads.
92 4X
Total: 272 9X

Improved
Ruger Mark II .22 with Wolf Match Target ammo.
99 4X

Smith M28 with .357 reloads as above.
92 2X

Para Ord Custom Pin Gun with Hardball Equiv reloads.
90 2x
Total: 281 8X

[MLC]

For the the thick in the head:
HK P7M8 and USP TAC would be unlimited?

[Outlander]

Outlander
Standard
S&W 617 .22 93/100 1x

S&W 686 .38 87/100 0x

CZ 97B .45 85/100 0x

total 265/300 1x :(

[DeputyVaughn]

OK. Shot my targets today. Didn't do too bad. I placed them as Standard class but if ROTR thinks they belong in open that's fine too.

I shot the civilian target with an H&R 999 I inherited from my grandfather. He bought it when he returned from France in 1945. It's a neat top break revolver. I'd love to have it restored to original condition but it would probably be cheaper to buy the modern version of the same gun.
Score 99/100-5X

Shot the law enforcement with my Sig Saur 226. This was my first issued pistol (recently purchased when the department went to Glocks).
Score 95/100-4X

Shot the military with my beloved Witness.
Score 98/100-4X

Composite score 292/300-13X

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=620690

Scott

[ReadyontheRight]

Quote: "For the the thick in the head:
HK P7M8 and USP TAC would be unlimited?"\

If they are .45 ACP and you also have a .22 lr pistol they could be either Standard or Improved, but not Hardball -- which must be a standard issue military 1911.

[DeputyVaughn]

Nat many entries this month? Is everyone waiting till the last minute or bowing out this month?

Scott

[Quantrill]

The pistols are packed in the shooting box along with the ammo but there has been a lot of rain this month on the east coast and our range is prone to flooding. This makes it hard to concentrate ( and really tough to pick up the brass). I'm still trying. Quantrill

[El Rojo]

Last minute.

[Kamicosmos]

Hopefully Friday. I tried it last week, but it was extremely windy, and a couple of my chosen guns' sights were also off. So, the day was spent waiting for the wind to die down, then sighting in guns. Then I was out of ammo...

I sure hope the range is open tomorrow...

[photo_guy]

Photo_guy
Class: HARDBALL

Civilian - S&W M41, stock, Remington .22LR
Score: 93-1X

Police - Ruger Security 6, stock, .38spl (NBC commer. reloads).
Score: 94-2X

Military - Colt 1911a1 New S70, stock, PMC 230gr FMJ
Score: 93-2X

TOTAL = 280-5X





To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from the movie Erin Brockovich, speaking to myself:

Did they teach you how to 'shoot one handed' at engineering school? 'Cause you suck at it.

[Quantrill]

Well, I finally got out to the range and it was underwater from 25 yards to the target line. I inched my way along the side of the range until I got to the 50 foot line and got my two grandchildren to stand up on the pile of earth to catch brass and did my thing. Here is the result: All centerfire bullets cast by myself from scrap plus linotype lead// Class - Improved

.22 rimfire - High Standard Supermatic Citation - CCI Std Vel ammo
Completely stock except for the target grips - iron sights 100pts - 8X

.38spec. - S&W model 52 - Lyman mold#35891 (148gr
wadcutters) - 2.5gr 700X - completely
stock except for
target grips - iron sights 100pts - 6X


.45acp - Colt Gold Cup National Match Series 70 - Hensley
and Gibbls mold#130 (185gr wadcutter) - 3.5gr 700X
target grips, different bushing, group gripper, target trigger
etc. iron sights 100pts - 6X

Quantrill

Aggregate - 300pts/20X

[Quantrill]

My first attempt to attach my targets did not work.

[photo_guy]

Here is an image of my targets and the guns used, for documentation if nothing else. (Not that it is anything great - especially those holes trying to hide under the trigger guards of the M41 and Colt :D ).

I thought I would have done significantly better with the .22 than I did. It appears the weak link in this system is obvious - me!



Where are all the other entries? Did everyone wait until this weekend to go to the range?

[El Rojo]

Rojo didn't do too well. This one was tough.

Hard Ball
Ruger Mark I or II .22LR w/ regular Remington round nose
63-1X

Taurus PT-92C w/ 135 gr. reloads
43-1X

Colt 1911 Mark IV in with 230 gr. Reloads
35-0X

Total 141-2X

Standard

Ruger Mark I or II .22LR w/ regular Remington target ammo
89-2X

Taurus PT-92C w/ 135 gr. reloads
34-0X

Colt 1911 Mark IV in with 230 gr. Reloads
55-0X

Total 178-2X

I don't shoot handguns with one hand darn it!

[photo_guy]

El Rojo - thanks for sharing your results. It certainly make me feel better about my scores. :rolleyes:

Apparently the secret is to shoot over a large pool of water based on the results Quantrill reported. I'll have to try that sometime. :D

[Quantrill]

Pool was frozen today. Not hard enough to walk on. I think it was trying to sucker me into stepping on it and falling through.. Instead, I inched my way up to the 50 foot mark again (I could tell where that was by the frozen footprints I had made this past weekend), and tried out a new (to me) S&W #544, an "N" frame in cal. 44-40. I lasted all of 17 rounds before succumbing to the cold. But I think the conditions of shooting over water hold true over ice as well (if you can tolerate the cold). (smile) Quantrill

[ReadyontheRight]

Hi everyone. I'll have time to compile the results and post the December match by Friday evening. Thanks for your patience and it looks like good shooting once again!

[El Rojo]

I have to be of use to someone! :rolleyes:

[280PLUS]

too hectic of a month to shoot this one,,,just couldn't put the time for it together,,,i did shoot some nra matches though...

can i submit my official yd timed fire 25 yard score that was a 100 -7x??

first 100 ever in competition,,,whupped everybody,,,too bad the rest of my targets for that match weren't quite as good, they were ok,,,

i did win a whopping $7.50 with it though,,,

:D

[Outlander]

Rojo........ This one was tough

If it was just tough I would have been happy. I gave a new meaning to the word "sway".

BTW is there going to be a match for December?

[Quantrill]

Back in the late 1960s, I was lucky enough to be sent to Camp Perry's Police Firearm Instructor school. One of the instructors was Bill Jordan of Border Patrol fame. One of the things that he said that stuck with me all these years is, "Bullseye shooting is the basis of all other diciplines. If you can shoot good Bullseye matches, you can do well with anything else. There is no way to 'beat" a bullseye". I have found that to be true. Quantrill

[ReadyontheRight]

BTW is there going to be a match for December?

I'll have time tonight to put December's match together. Thanks for the patience!

[ReadyontheRight]

I guess training from Bill Jordan at Camp Perry is fairly worthwhile! :D

"Bullseye shooting is the basis of all other diciplines. If you can shoot good Bullseye matches, you can do well with anything else. There is no way to 'beat" a bullseye". -Bill Jordan-

Quantrill scores a whopping 300 - 20X this month to win the Improved class. Somehow I think it's not just Quantrill's nice guns. ;)

Quantrill also wins the overall for this month. I will post his targets -- something to which we can all aspire (as well as having grandkids pick up brass -- outstanding!!!!)

Deputy Vaughn wins the Standard class with an impressive 292-13X.

Photo Guy wins the respectable Hardball class with an also-impressive 280-5X.

Not a whole lot of entries this month. I couldn't get out shooting this month. I think that was the fastest November I can recall. I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

Here are all the scores -- nice shooting everyone once again!

THR Member Name _ November Score _ November X _ November Class

DeputyVaughn _ 292 _ 13X _ Standard
ACP230 _ 272 _ 9X _ Standard
Outlander _ 265 _ 1X _ Standard
El Rojo _ 178 _ 2X _ Standard
Quantrill _ 300 _ 20X _ Improved
ACP230 _ 281 _ 8X _ Improved
Photo_guy _ 280 _ 5X _ Hardball
ACP230 _ 261 _ 5X _ Hardball
El Rojo _ 141 _ 2X _ Hardball

[ReadyontheRight]

Quantrill .38

[ReadyontheRight]

Let's try that again -- Here's Quantrill's .38 shooting.

[photo_guy]

Wow, I thought I sucked at one handed shooting yet I ended up on top of the hardball group. Obviously the really good shooters went with other categories or were on vacation this month.

[El Rojo]

Man I can't believe I did that bad. Was I shooting the match right? One handed at 50 feet? Do I have some bad guns? What gives? You guys make me feel bad.

[photo_guy]

El Rojo, sounds like you shot the match correctly. I think you will redeem yourself this month as I suspect you are more of a rifleman than pistol shooter. (I am the opposite).

Aside from the difficulty shooting one-handed in last months contest I also had trouble with the targets. Using a large target designed for 50 yrds at 50 ft meant that my sighting needed to be adjusted. My guns are normally sighted for a 6 o'clock hold on a target that is about 2-3 inches in diameter at 50 feet. If I used a 6 o'clock sight picture on the larger contest targets I would be an inch or too low. However, adjusting to a more centered sight picture made getting a good sight alignment more difficult with the black on black of my sights on the target. I didn't want to adjust the sites for the contest (and couldn't on my 1911) so I did the best I could.

Perhaps you had a similar problem?

In my case I know it was *not* my guns. All three targets show about the same variation in shot placement. The variation is much larger than I have seen these same guns do from rest or with a good 2-hand hold. The variation obviously is due to operator error.:)

[Robert J McElwain]

Standard

Civilian
Ruger Mark II
58-1X

Law Enforcement
SIG P 226 9mm
40- 0X

Military
SIG P220 .45 ACP
33- 0X

What can I say? I really stink. :banghead: That's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it.

Bob

[Grump]

Every time I could make it out, the wind blew my targets over.

I have since reinforced my cardboards. I already hammer the steel into the ground, so THAT part won't blow over.:rolleyes: