[beachwalker]

Just curious. We have two Glocks in 9mm, however I'm thinking about buying a small S/W revolver to conceal when I'm bicycling, walking beach in Florida.

Looks like no 9mm's. Is there some reason 9mm's aren't offered in pistols?


Thanks

[Avenger29]

There are 9mm revolvers. S&W doesn't sell one currently, though, IIRC.

Taurus makes one, and Charter Arms is supposed to be rolling out one soon that does not require moonclips.

Ruger made both the -Six series revolvers and the SP-101 in 9mm, but no longer offers either. Ruger also makes some of their single actions in 9mm. None of those make a good pocket gun, of course.

Shooting an autoloader cartridge in a revolver generally requires either moonclips or a specially engineered ejector system so that you can eject the casings.

[9mmepiphany]

S&W made the J-frame M-940...based on the M-640...and the K-frame M-647...based on the M-13.

they didn't sell well enough to justify continued production...that's when they got popular :)

[Brian Williams]

The K frame was a 547.

[KBintheSLC]

There are choices out there for 9mm revo's. However, I would advise you against any auto cartridge in a revo. You don't need to stock up on a whole lot of ammo if you get say a .38 spl instead. Just a couple of boxes... one to test and one to carry. I think that the best cartridge for a revolver is one that is made for a revolver.

Just one guys opinion.

[robhof]

I agree about sticking with revolver cartridges in a revolver. The 38 can do anything the 9mm can and currently 38's are easier to find.

[oneounceload]

The 38 can do anything the 9mm can and currently 38's are easier to find.

All of the ballistic charts I have seen have shown the 9mm having more speed and energy. If you can get it in something like a 547, what's not to love?

[frankiestoys]

I cant believe im saying this:banghead:
Taurus makes one, model 905 about $400
I looked at one at a show but i prefer Ruger's and the sp will be hard to find.
That's all i got to say about that!

[9mmepiphany]

The K frame was a 547.

i stand corrected...it was in carbon steel rather than stainless

[Onward Allusion]

Had one... S&W 547 w/3" barrel. Bought it at an Ace Hardware in 1988 for ~$275. Liquidated most of my collection during my divorce. Still kicking myself for ridding myself of this one. Now sells for around $1,000 in the condition I had it.

[bhp9mm]

i have a 940-1 2 speed six 9mm and a sp101 at one time i had two 940s and 3 sp101 9mm

[Brian Williams]

The 38 can do anything the 9mm BullCrap
Come up here to Pennsylvania and I will let you shoot my 642 with 38s and then swap out the cylinder for the 940 cylinder and then let you shoot that and you will change that tune.
Even +p 38s are less than the 9mm. The 9mmx19 is a very efficient cartridge and it uses less powder to achieve what a 38 Special can do. While the 38 Special is very accurate it is not efficient. When you put a 9mm in a short barrel snub it works very well.

[beachwalker]

Thanks to everyone. I can't believe all of the collective knowledge and good will on this web sight. Gun people are good people.

[Brian Williams]

Of course I could load up some hellendamnationloudenboomer 38s that would make my 581 jump around in my hand but normal 38 Specials versus a normal 9mm, 9mm has it all over the 38.

[tekarra]

9 mm revolvers are hard to find. Lately I have been tempted to look at a Taurus to add to my Smiths and Rugers. The Charter should coming soon as well.

[Confederate]

If one has a whole bunch of 9mm ammo lying around, or just wants the same caliber as his autos, I can see getting a 9-mil. Otherwise, a .357 makes more sense. The .38 +P is so close to 9mm and the magnum capability gives it just enough power to let one carry it in the wilderness with a degree of confidence. Although one may not need to always draw on that extra power, having it can be comforting.

Even +p 38s are less than the 9mm. The 9mmx19 is a very efficient cartridge and it uses less powder to achieve what a 38 Special can do. While the 38 Special is very accurate it is not efficient.
Efficient for what? Hmmmm. I'm very comfortable with .38 Spc. +P.

[Big Bill]

I've got a Ruger Blackhawk convertable that shoots .357/.38 Special through one cylinder and 9MM through the other. I love it.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Revolver&subtype=Single%20Action&famlst=19

[WC145]

Once again, more of the same rhetoric from people that have neither owned nor shot a 9mm revolver.
The 9mm is far more efficient in a short barreled revolver than a .38spl including +P .38's and can deliver velocities approaching that of .357mags with far less recoil and muzzle blast.
For instance, I chronographed several .38spl and 9mm loads out of two revolvers, a S&W 637 and a Taurus 905. Here's some results:

S&W 637 .38 Special
WWB 130gr FMJ = 689fps
WWB 125gr JHP +P = 832fps
Federal 110gr Hydrashok = 873fps

Taurus 905 9mm
WWB 115gr FMJ = 1096fps
Magtech 115gr JHP +P = 1098fps
Federal 115gr JHP +P+ = 1174fps

So, as you can see, there's no contest. Because the 9mm is a more efficient cartridge than the .38spl it produces substantially higher velocities in what is, for all intents and purposes, the same gun. AND, it does it with recoil and muzzle blast similar to a .38spl +P, and far less than a .357mag.

For those of you that want to complain that moonclips are required, the argument doesn't hold much water. The Taurus 905 and S&W 940 can both be loaded and shot without moonclips, the 547 doesn't use them at all. Also, 9mm moonclips are faster to eject and reload than any other method, including speed loaders. Due to the short case, the empties eject fully and together, while the conical shape of the bullet allows for very fast reloading without have to release the rounds from the speed loader or strip, just drop them in and go.

Besides, it's not like this is some freakish new technology that just came along. Revolvers have been using "auto" rounds and moonclips for years and the idea is just as valid, if not more so, today as ever.

[Avenger29]

For those of you that want to complain that moonclips are required, the argument doesn't hold much water. The Taurus 905 and S&W 940 can both be loaded and shot without moonclips, the 547 doesn't use them at all. Also, 9mm moonclips are faster to eject and reload than any other method, including speed loaders. Due to the short case, the empties eject fully and together, while the conical shape of the bullet allows for very fast reloading without have to release the rounds from the speed loader or strip, just drop them in and go.

Now keep in mind I have nothing against moonclips or anything like that. Just pointing out that revolvers chambered for auto pistol cartridges generally require either moonclips or a specially engineered ejector system.

I think a 9mm revolver is a great idea, and would love to see more of them.

[s4s4u]

9mm........can deliver velocities approaching that of .357mags

puhlease!!!

[WC145]

Quote:
9mm........can deliver velocities approaching that of .357mags

puhlease!!!

OK, one more time for those that weren't paying attention. Here's the chronograph results I go out of my 9mm Taurus 905 2" revolver:

Taurus 905 9mm
WWB 115gr FMJ = 1096fps
Magtech 115gr JHP +P = 1098fps
Federal 115gr JHP +P+ = 1174fps

Here are chronograph results for several different .357mag loads shot from a 2 1/2" S&W Model 19:

Ammunition: The ammunition below was choronographed from the 2 1/2" Model 19 with average velocities based on 12 shots, two-cylinders-full, fired about 10' from the chronograph.

.357 Mag Remington 125 gr. Golden Saber:
Average Velocity: 1141 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 161 ft/sec
Std. Deviation: 49

.357 Mag Handload:
158 gr Rucker CSWC
7 gr. Unique
Winchester SP Primer
New Starline Case
Average Velocity: 1100 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 76 ft/sec
Std. Deviation: 22 ft/sec

.357 Mag Federal 125 gr JHP:
Average Velocity: 1058 ft/sec !!!!
Extreme Spread: 204 ft/sec. !!!!!
Std. Deviation: 67
(This is the largest extreme spread I've ever seen in this caliber and with this factory load.)

.357 Mag Remington 125 gr SJHP:
Average Velocity: 1243 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 80
Std. Deviation: 28

.357 Mag Winchester 110 gr JHP:
Average Velocity: 1166 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 112
Std. Deviation: 40

Since some folks like to carry Plus P .38 Special ammo in the smaller .357s, the following two .38 Special loads were chronographed as well.

.38 Spec Federal 129 gr Plus P HydraShok:
Average Velocity: 846 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 80 ft/sec
Std. Deviation: 30

.38 Spec Remington Plus P 158 gr LSWCHP:
Average Velocity: 858 ft/sec
Extreme Spread: 68
Std. Deviation: 24

Hmmm, math was never my best subject, but.....:neener:

[earlthegoat2]

I am a big fan of 9mm so naturally I have also ventured into the potential of of 9mm revolver as well. The taurus 905 suffers from moon clip issues. The smith 547 is too rare, too expensive, and not exactly pocketable, the Ruger Speed Six is a little big as well, the SP-101 and Smith 940 command premiums, the charter arms model was supposed to come out ages ago and I would not be surprised if charter scuttled the project without telling anyone. Kind of reminds me of Taurus and that 9mm 1911 they are going to come out with.

There are options out there to convert your 38s to 9mm. I think that is not really a viable option but it can be done if one wants it bad enough. Where there is a will there is a way so if you really want one go for it.

I went searching for a 9mm revolver and ended up with a 38. YMMV.

[danbrew]

What's a millimeter? Just go get a 10mm revolver.

S&W 310. :)

[RidgwayCO]

I've read that the energy of the average .38 Special out of a snubby is equivalent to the average .380 Auto. WC145's data would tend to confirm that thought.

[Deanimator]

All of the ballistic charts I have seen have shown the 9mm having more speed and energy.
Some of us aren't mesmerized by "speed and energy".

I don't like or trust lightweight bullets for self-defense in handguns.

Give me the 158gr. LSWC-HP "FBI" load in a revolver any day. All of my .38 and .357 revolvers have it.

And all of my 9x19mm autos (except the Broomhandle) have the 147gr. WWB JHP.

[spence]

Two quality 9mm revolvers . ruger sp101 and S&W m60. I own a ruger speed six 9mm but its a little too large for concealed carry.

[4v50 Gary]

I'd go with the Ruger first since they're the toughest revolver around. I have the older Speed Six in 9mm and it's a wonderful revolver. The S&W in 9mm would be my second choice.

[woad_yurt]

Why about moonclips? I hate loading one-by-one. I wish all revolvers were moonclip capable. They're like rifle stripper clips; zip and you're loaded.

I have a .45 N-frame and the moonclips make life so easy. They're faster and work better than speedloaders. They're also way cheaper and require much less space.

[Hawk]

Looks like no 9mm's. Is there some reason 9mm's aren't offered in pistols?

As others have noted, they have been available sporadically but have invariably failed to sell in the numbers necessary to justify continued production.

Even adding up all the internet postings about 9mm revolvers, it would seem to remain not economically viable. Charter is a wild card but thus far it's been vaporware.

Were I to go down the moon clip road again, and in 9mm, I'd probably gravitate to something like this:
http://www.pinnacle-guns.com/revolver.asp
Converting current production to 9mm is easier (and possibly cheaper) than hunting down the discontinued and inflated, though some enjoy the hunt.

If you haven't had a revolver before be advised that moon clips are not universally loved - I'm one of those that believe moon clip functionality is inversely proportional to their ease of use.

In other words, .357 moon clips are easy to "moon" and "demoon" but are about as useless as moon clips get - the rounds are relatively long, fit relatively loosely and inserting the clipped rounds in a cylinder is like trying to push a rope.

Conversely, .45ACP rounds when "full mooned" slide into cylinders like they were drawn by magical magnets - slick and easy. However, "mooning" and "demooning" the things will require around 100 bucks worth of paraphernalia unless you have hands like a silverback gorilla and chain mail gloves. Alternatively, you can build your own appliances or buy RIMZ but however you go about it, you'll devote considerably more time to "mooning" than shooting. That's fine if you find the process therapeutic.

I don't know about 9mm vis a vis where it fits in the scale of "pita to load the clip" vs. "pita to get into the cylinder" but it's probably in there somewhere.

I had a jolly old time with my 325TR but have developed the opinion that autoloader rounds in a revolver requires a bit of dedication on the part of the shooter. It's not exactly pounding a square peg into a round hole but it is pounding a slightly-out-of-round peg into a round hole.

[WC145]

Yes, you can make your own 9mm revolver. I had Pinnacle rechamber one for me, a S&W 360J, so now I have what I wanted and nobody made - a 13oz 9mm snubby (that also shoots 9x21, 9x23, .38 Super, and a couple of others). One thing about these conversions is that they MUST use moonclips. Unlike the 905, 940, and SP101, the case won't headspace in the chamber. Of course, that doesn't bother me, I like them.

[Brian Williams]

Two quality 9mm revolvers . ruger sp101 and S&W m60
WRONG on the S&W 60, it is only a 38 Spec or 357 unless you have had it converted.

[KyJim]

To back up WC145, here's some data from http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com on loads which are pretty comparable from a 3 inch test barrel. This will be the approximate length of a two inch revolver barrel plus cylinder.

.38 Corbon 110 gr. JHP -- 851 fps
.357 Corbon 110 gr. JHP -- 1109 fps
.9mm Corbon 115 gr. JHP -- 1245 fps

.38 Corbon 135 JHP -- 854 fps
.357 Corbon 125 JHP -- 1257 fps
9mm Corbon 125 JHP -- 1170 fps

.38 Hydra Shok 125 gr -- 831 fps
.357 Hydra Shok 130 gr (low recoil) -- 1194 fps
9mm Hydra Shok 124 gr -- 988 fps
9mm Hydra Shok 135 gr (low recoil) -- 976 fps

.38 Gold Dot 135 gr. -- 892
.357 Gold Dot -- NA
9mm Gold Dot 124 gr. 1108


You can see that in comparable commercial loads, the 9mm surpasses the .38 special. It is close to the .357 magnum in one load and actually surpasses the .357 in another.

Now, I know you can find stouter .357 magnum loads or load them yourself to higher velocities. The point is that if you just go into a gun store and buy ammo likely to be in stock (if any is), then the 9mm will compare very well to the two revolver calibers.

I haven't chucked my .38 specials yet but I am thinking about starting to carry my 9mm 547.

[AJChenMPH]

Charter is still saying "early 2010" release of the CARR.

Suspect it exists and tests well, but they probably ran into patent issues vis-a-vis the S&W 547.

ETA: we also have this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=445209) going as well.

In the thread hotlinked above, I was told .380 ammo can be shot through a 9mm revolver. If so -- that holds some appeal to me since it gives me some options as far as having one fewer caliber to buy ammo in, but still potentially giving my wife a lighter caliber to shoot/carry (if she so desires). I'm also assuming that 9Mak ammo can also be shot, which may give a lower-cost alternative for target practice...

[woad_yurt]

.45ACP rounds when "full mooned" slide into cylinders like they were drawn by magical magnets - slick and easy. However, "mooning" and "demooning" the things will require around 100 bucks worth of paraphernalia unless you have hands like a silverback gorilla and chain mail gloves.

I disagree. I have a tool just like the one in the picture below. I think it cost me a few dollars, less than five anyway, and it works just fine.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/woad_yurt/tool.jpg

[Hawk]

I disagree. I have a tool just like the one in the picture below. I think it cost me a few dollars, less than five anyway, and it works just fine.

I did admit to alternatives but I suspect many things in life are trade-offs. Using the Cal Comp gizmos, I was at least (when the moon was the seventh house) going at two rounds per squeeze, as it were.

Even at that, I found it akin to manually seating primers - best performed in front of a TV running a show you don't like. And, since the .45ACP clips load into the cylinder so nicely it becomes doubly apparent that you can burn through the things lots faster than prepare them.

And, quite unlike magazines or "normal" revolvers, "mooning" up clips at the range is something I wouldn't even consider.

None of this is a deal killer but it is something I would have appreciated somebody mentioning before I embarked on my journey of discovery. Since the OP states he has no experience with the things I will cheerfully advise him that some few folks see a big old hairy wart on the princess of moonclips.

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_151000014_1.jpg
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_151000019_1.jpg

Amazingly enough, I actually had an empty case fall so in love with its clip that I broke the FRP demooner - hence I wound up buying both the "super" and its broken cheaper cousin.

Nice ingenuity you've exhibited with that simple and straightforward gadget - I likely would have bent it back to its original shape in my struggles.

[SteelyNirvana]

I think it would be a great idea if Ruger was to make the LCR in 9mm.

[WC145]

I think it would be a great idea if Ruger was to make the LCR in 9mm.

I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Maybe two.

[danbrew]

boy, i sure love my moonclips. i don't mind moonclipping at the range. I always try to bring a bag full of loaded moonclips, but it's ok if I moonclip a box or two at the range. Not much different than loading a magazine. And it generally gets people looking and asking questions - and I'm quite certain I've gotten people to go out and buy a 625 after seeing and shooting mine.

:)

[WC145]

I've found the 9mm moonclips are easy to load and unload. They snap right in and I just stithe eraser end of a pencil into the empties, hold the pencil and the case and give a little twist and they come right out.

The .40 S&W moonclips for my 646 snap in okay but are tougher to unload. It came with a tool like woad yurt's and it pops them right out.

[tekarra]

To de-moon buy a 6" piece of PVC or copper tube sized to fit over the case, trim one end back about 3/16" and leave a 1/8" "tooth" on the end. Slip over the case and twist. Cheap, quick and effective.

[danbrew]

I can easily load and unload .40/10mm moonclips (but do have a fancy tool for it...!), the .45 and the .357 require the tool.

I'm a huge fan of mooncliptool.com.

:D

[Grapevine]

I bought a Taurus 905 this summer to replace a Beretta 21a that was taken in a breakin of my house. The fellow that I bought it from had replaced the original grip with an extended one which gave a place for your pinkie. He said he had shot it several times and that it jumped in his hand before he got the new grip. The "Stellar"(Taurus' name for moon clip) clips that came with the gun were still in their package, stuck together. I changed the grip back to original (less profile for IWB carry) and loaded up the 5 clips and went to the range. I really like the way this little gun handles and carries. I did not have any problem with the gun jumping or twisting in my hands and I had a 4in group @ ten yards repeatedly.:D I didn't have any problem un or reloading the "Stellar" clips. I also tried firing a few rounds without the clip and jad a little trouble getting the spent cases out of the cylinder.:banghead: It ain't a J Frame, but I'm not trying to get rid of it either.:) I found a pill bottle that the loaded clips fit into almost perfectly so they are not loose in the pocket. I can pop the lid off the bottle and a clip will fall into the open cylinder real nice.:D

You heard this from the "Grapevine"

[Loyalist Dave]

The 9mm is far more efficient in a short barreled revolver than a .38spl including +P .38's and can deliver velocities approaching that of .357mags with far less recoil and muzzle blast.

I bought a 940 as it used the same ammo as my carry Glock at the time I bought it. It does produce some very nice ballistics.

LD

[John Wayne]

The 9mm is a very efficient cartridge, particularly when compared to the .38 spl. in a short barrel. Numerous companies including Ruger, S&W, and Taurus offered or currently offer 9mm revolvers in a small DA revolver platform.

The drawbacks of using a rimless cartridge in a revolver are that you have to either use moonclips or have a special extractor. If you drop loose cartridges in a revolver designed for moonclips, you will have to poke them out one at a time, and may also run into ignition problems.

I am a big fan of the 9mm cartridge in certain applications. I would love to have one in a snub revolver, but I don't want to pay an outrageous price for one, or have to fool with moon clips.

Fans of .45 ACP have the option of shooting .45 AutoRim in their revolvers, but to my knowledge no one has ever produced a 9mm AutoRim. If they did I'd buy the gun and lots of brass in a heartbeat.

Don't know if anyone has considered it or not, but I think a .357 Sig revolver would be really cool. If the bottleneck case headspaced on the shoulder and had a special extractor, it seems like it'd be pretty neat. You could load down to 9mm levels, get great performance, and have a shorter cylinder.

[jfh]

an addendum for KyJim's chart of velocities:

1. The Speer 357 Magnum 135-gr. 'Short Barrel' round does 970-1000 fps from a nominal 2" barrel' j-frame. I've chrono'ed it several times from an M&P340 and from a 640.

2. With that in mind, it stacks up perfectly against the Federal Hydra-Shock 9mm 135-gr. 'low recoil' round.

Jim H.

[bhp9mm]

i like 9mm revolvers i have a 940-1 2 speed six and a sp101 9mm i like moon clip guns alot i also have a smith 610 and 2 625

[avenan]

Try to shoot a 38 super auto in a 357. You you will like as much.
However,
Always be carefull when using lower cartriges for after firing lots of then, is almost impossible to load the original ones becouse of the burned powder on the chamber.

9mm is "better" than .38! Specially becouse of the conic shape of it. However, i dont like the extraction.
When shooting .38, I recomend a long barreled gun, strong primer, slow burning powder (dependes on the barrel) and a very heavy projectiles. 158bg or more, pure lead with gas check.
Winchesters clones of lever action are great for that.
Revolvers... Taurus has made some with 8-3/8" barrel but with 8 .38 rounds on the cilinder. The walls of that cilinders are just too thin. Any attempt to overload the gun is scary to me.
However, i can shoot down a plates at 200 mts (aiming very high) with one of mine.

[Redhawk1]

Really good information on 9MM revolvers. I happen to own a new in box S&W model 547 3HB made in 1985. I have not shot it and don't know if I want to. Collectors value is up there in the $1000 range. There were only 6486 round butt made in the 3 inch barrel and 3784 square butt made with a 4 inch barrel. Mine is a 3 inch barrel.

Here is a little story about the 547.

From what I've been told (from reliable sources) the reason for this revolver's existence comes from the Middle East.

In the late 1970's, the Israelis wanted to arm the Palestinian Police force with a 9mm handgun, but didn't trust them with an autoloading pistol. Instead, they wanted a simple-to-use a revolver chambered in 9mm (and by "simple-to-use", they meant "no-moon-clips"). They contracted with Smith & Wesson to make it for them.

There are two problems that have to be solved before you can make a moonclip-less 9x19 revolver:

How do you extract the cases?
How do you keep a tapered cartridge from backing up when fired and locking up the cylinder?
Question #1 - How do you extract the cases? - was answered by Roger J. Curran of Stratford, CT in the form of patent number 4127955 - Extractor assembly for rimless cartridges. Instead of the usual "star" type extractor, the Model 547 features a horn-shaped extractor (see picture 5 above) with small beryllium-copper spring tabs that grab the rim of each case. This assembly is for extraction only; the cartridges headspace on the mouth. The device works really well - I've never had a stuck case.

The second problem - tapered cases backing out and locking up the cylinder - was a familiar one to S&W. This same issue killed the Model 53 (.22 Jet) revolver. S&W overcame this in the 547 by adding a pin (above the firing pin) that prevents the fired case from backing up (see picture 6). This solution seems to be effective, as I've never had the cylinder lock up in all the rounds I've fired. Speaking of firing pins, the one in the 547 is a floating pin. While this is common to most new S&W revolvers, it was unique to the 547 back in the day.

Soon after Smith & Wesson delivered the first shipment of these revolvers, the Israeli government cancelled the rest of the order and instead bought an IMI revolver that was a Model 547 knockoff. S&W released the remaining guns to the civilian market.

http://www.vintagepistols.com/range_report_S&W_547.html

[shooterjon]

One thing that hasn't come up is recoil. When i shot 357 out of my old 2.5" barrel it was like a flame thrower with the kick of a small mule. Since the ballistics are similar in the 9 and 357, do these 9mm revolvers have the same issue. ?

[WC145]

One thing that hasn't come up is recoil. When i shot 357 out of my old 2.5" barrel it was like a flame thrower with the kick of a small mule. Since the ballistics are similar in the 9 and 357, do these 9mm revolvers have the same issue. ?

IMO, the recoil is similar to +P .38spl in a guns the same size and weight, and certainly less than a .357mag.

[W L Johnson]

Besides, it's not like this is some freakish new technology that just came along. Revolvers have been using "auto" rounds and moonclips for years and the idea is just as valid, if not more so, today as ever.

Yep, got A Colt M1917 45acp revolver from WW-I that was handed down to me, still in the holster.

[ahpd1992]

+1 on a Ruger LCR in 9mm. I had a Taurus 905 that I keep tryin to convince the guy I sold it to, to sell it back.

I have since been keeping an eye out for the right 9mm revolver. I would buy a 45acp revolver, but they are way too expensive from what Ive seen.

I agree with the poster about the 357Sig, except I dont know how you would deal with the bottlenecked cartridge. And isnt the 357Sig supposed simply be an auto version of a 357mag, so it becomes redundant

Ruger are you listening, build the LCR in 9mm, Il buy one I promise

[shooterjon]

Thanks , And whats a IMO?

[hmphargh]

Thanks , And whats a IMO?
"In my opinion"

[SaMx]

RE: loading and unloading moon clips, I ran across this site a year or so ago
http://www.ezmoonclip.com/
They sell polymer moon clips on .45 and .40/10mm

[tekarra]

I have heard of the IMI knockoff before. Has anyone ever seen one? Two of my 547s (a 3" and a 4") were imported from Israel by the shop/range at which I used to shoot. The imported 4" is the upper one, the lower one I purchased new in the 1980s.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa59/tekarra_photo/SW002a.jpg

[KBintheSLC]

Why about moonclips? I hate loading one-by-one. I wish all revolvers were moonclip capable. They're like rifle stripper clips; zip and you're loaded.

They have these cool things called "speed loaders" that address this concern.

[tekarra]

Here are my other two 547s.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa59/tekarra_photo/DSCN1153.jpg

[panoz77]

I have a SS Taurus 905, I got a great deal on it off GB. I had been looking for one forever, and finally found the deal I was looking for, cost me right around $350 OTD in like new condition, it also had a wolf reduced trigger spring but I was getting lite strikes and reinstalled the factory spring. I also want very badly to get the CARR in 9mm when it is released.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/panoz77/DSC04089.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/panoz77/DSC04090.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/panoz77/DSC04091.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/panoz77/DSC04092.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/panoz77/DSC04093.jpg

[WC145]

Quote:
Why about moonclips? I hate loading one-by-one. I wish all revolvers were moonclip capable. They're like rifle stripper clips; zip and you're loaded.

They have these cool things called "speed loaders" that address this concern.

So, I'm guessing you've never used moonclips.

Imagine a speed loader that allows you to load the gun without any fiddling to release the rounds into the cylinder, that doesn't leave you holding anything after you've reloaded, AND that lets your gun eject all of the empties together at one time.
I know, it sounds impossible, like a miracle, because nobody makes a speed loader that can do all of those things, right?
Surprise!!! That's exactly what a moonclip does for you. Try it, you'll like it!

[John Wayne]

I agree with the poster about the 357Sig, except I dont know how you would deal with the bottlenecked cartridge. And isnt the 357Sig supposed simply be an auto version of a 357mag, so it becomes redundant

There have been revolvers chambered for bottlenecked cartridge for over a hundred years.

Yes, the .357 Mag is a more powerful cartridge and can be loaded with much heavier bullets. The only advantage to a .357 Sig revolver would be a shorter cylinder and (likely) comparable performance out of a 2" barrel with a lot less recoil.

That, and a moonclipped revolver for a bottlenecked cartridge would probably be faster to reload than anything else.

[bhp9mm]

sp101 9mm i just sold

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=74&pictureid=1001

[bhp9mm]

smith 940-1 and ruger speed six 9mm

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=74&pictureid=1051


http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=74&pictureid=1003

[ifit]

a deal went down last week and this was included a ruger sp101 9mm revolver, no time to go to the range but should be a fun shooter

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/411.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/409.jpg

[BBroadside]

Help me out here ... whatever happened to the idea of a 9x19mm revolver with a cylinder and frame not merely adapted, but built to that spec? I'm talking about a shorter cylinder over all, and a frame to match.

Think of all the smallness you could have if they weren't just adapting cylinders designed for 29mm cases to a 19mm case! Here is a revolver designed around a 19.7mm case (the old .38 S&W, aka .38-200, aka .380 Revolver):
http://digitalsushi.com/midashi/website.mirrors/guns/world.guns.ru/handguns/enfield_no2_mk1.jpg
The cylinder is noticeably shorter than the area from the front to the back of the trigger guard. 38 Special cylinders are about the length of the trigger guard, and yet manufacturers are always trying to trim the down with snubby barrels and round butts, as if 38 Special was the best they could do for a small, powerful revolver cartridge.

Using a short cylinder and frame, you could either retain overall length and get more barrel length and better ballistics, or retain barrel length and get a smaller gun. Either way, you'd get a noticeably lighter gun, firing lighter ammunition.

I know design and retooling costs are the reason, but the other reason must surely be the historical American mistrust of the 9mm Luger cartridge. I had thought that attitude went away around when the Glock 17 and Beretta 92 changed the game (not when the S&W 59 was invented :cuss: ), but apparently the gunmakers don't agree.

And they may be right. Who knows? It's not my money.

[WC145]

The Taurus 905 IB (Instant Backup) used a shorty frame and cylinder designed around the 9mm cartridge, rather than a .357/.38 sized cyl and frame.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/__3_AZOV0zhc/Sa1lZ6_ydkI/AAAAAAAAAZk/lKGtxOcnH6I/s720/SDC10448.JPG

[Vonderek]

On the Taurus website is shows that there are two models still in production (905 in blue and SS) while many others are discontinued.

[Brian Williams]

ifit, I hate you, well not really but that 3" sp101 is great.
I would jump on one if I saw a great deal.

[mesinge2]

You could also just buy a 357 and send it to a smith and cut it for 9mms and moonclips.

http://www.pinnacle-guns.com/revolver.asp

Sorry, Hawk beat me to it. :)

[mesinge2]

My Taurus 905 has been absolutely relaible, but I hated the stubbie little grip so I order the full size one from Taurus.

108362

+1 on a Ruger LCR in 9mm; RUGER PAY ATTENTION

[Swamper]

I had the Speed Six, the SP-101 and the Smith 940 in 9mm at various times over the years. I no longer have any and, unlike some, I don't even miss them. Nothing wrong with the cartridge. I just prefer to not mix operating platforms.

Swamper

[bhp9mm]

i have a 940 and 2 speed six and a sp101 i had the 3 inch one and i sold it and i sold one of my 940 i had 6 9mm revolvers at one time i only have 4 now