TEXAS Univ lockdowns


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DAVIDSDIVAD
October 23, 2009, 08:17 PM
Hi everybody, I was wondering if you guys could help me out.


Recently, a prisoner escaped from the little country bumpkin courthouse in the town where my school is located.


Being part of the A&M system, policy is to lockdown the school.

A "no one in or out" kinda thing.



Naturally, I'm not keen on being any kind of fish in any kind of bucket, so I took exception to being threatened with punitive actions if I left the premises of the pharmacy college after classes had ended.


I was locked in a building from 11:00 am to 3:30 (ish) pm, because some tiny 5'5" 150 lb thief escaped. Granted, he shot a guy, but..

I would've been much more comfortable at my apartment, armed, than sitting helpless in a classroom.




Can anyone lend me advice as to what kind of waiver I should draw up and present to the school?


I'm assuming it has to indemnify the school in every way concerning my safety.

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Cards81fan
October 23, 2009, 11:49 PM
What are the "punitive actions" you would've faced had you left?

My thoughts are - to heck with a waiver, I'm just walking out; who's gonna stop me?

DAVIDSDIVAD
October 23, 2009, 11:55 PM
I'm in Pharmacy college; it's different than a run of the mill university.
I can get in trouble for dress code, etc..

ants
October 24, 2009, 01:27 AM
Like all agreements, two parties must agree upon the same thing. When you accepted admittance to the college, you agreed to their policies. Now you're stuck. You have to stand behind your word that you will abide by their policies.

Can you draw up a waiver? It still takes two parties to agree. And they're clearly NOT going to agree to a waiver. You're stuck.

I remember grad school. Life sucked, but it gave me the degree I needed to be my own dude after graduation. Just man-up and take their policies until you graduate.

kingpin008
October 24, 2009, 01:30 AM
I would have walked out as well. In fact, we recently had a lockdown at my school (it was a drill). The only reason I stayed was that I had a bunch of bread in the oven. (culinary school ftw!)

I'm curious as well, what type of "punitive actions" you'd face. While you may have agreed to go there, I'd be suprised if there's any type of language in any form you signed that obligates you to remain in an area where you don't want to be, after your obligations to be there (classes) have ended.

Erik
October 24, 2009, 01:55 AM
I'd expect the school to expel students in an actual lock down, as opposed to a drill, who chose to ignore the lock down. Also, depending on whom is the issuing authority, possible charges. Check into and report back. I'm certain there are many curious folks who will look forward to any answers.

kingpin008
October 24, 2009, 02:13 AM
I'd expect the school to expel students in an actual lock down

Also, depending on whom is the issuing authority, possible charges

On what grounds? The school isn't responsible for your safety. It's a proven fact that hiding and sheltering in place does nothing to stop school shooters. The only thing that ends these types of rampages is either direct and forceful opposition in the form of students/staff/police fighting back, or the shooter running out of ammunition/targets and surrendering or offing themselves.

Unless I have business on the campus, it's my right to leave, lockdown or not. The school is not entitled to detain me (which is what they're doing) because of a supposed shooter, and they're most certainly not allowed to do so because of a drill. If a school wants to force me to remain on campus for such a situation, IMHO, it is a tacit admission that they are taking responsibility for my personal safety while in their custody, and therefore are willing to take the blame should I get hurt or killed while in their care.

Avenger29
October 24, 2009, 02:29 AM
As a college student (NOT in pharmacy college or anything of the like), I'm the kind of person that, well, has little to no respect for authority. Coded in my DNA or something, I think. I've got a few rules for these kinds of situations...

1) You have to get caught to actually get in trouble. (As in "A lockdown you say, officer? I was outside of the building, headed to the library/cafeteria/post office and I had no idea?)

2) Screw the administrators who get uppity

3) Don't look like the guy they are looking for

4) Good thing they don't have cameras at my university

5) That's not a fire escape door, that's a side door that happens to have "Fire Exit" painted on it.

6) Panicking crowds make for good cover and concealment

DAVIDSDIVAD
October 24, 2009, 02:52 AM
I'm going to see if I can strong arm them into signing a waiver with me

bdickens
October 24, 2009, 09:57 AM
Screw them. I come and go as I please.

I wonder if they ever heard of False Arrest?

lobo9er
October 24, 2009, 10:12 AM
I'm going to see if I can strong arm them into signing a waiver with me

I dont want to be a jerk but i doubt you will be able to strong arm them.
you go there because You asked them if you can pay them to attend. i would say they got one up on ya.

Yosemite Sam
October 24, 2009, 10:14 AM
Can you get a free 15 or 30 minute consultation with a lawyer and ask?

danbrew
October 24, 2009, 11:26 AM
I'm going to see if I can strong arm them into signing a waiver with me


You know what I'd say if I were the school administrator? "Hey Mr. David, you're free to leave the university any time you'd like. But if we put the school on lockdown and you decide that you're gonna ignore it, we're kicking you out."

I too would not want to be a sitting duck, but I think I would have just walked and gone about my business. If the school wants to follow up with you, you say "lockdown? what lockdown? OMG!"

Schools don't like it when somebody fights their authority. They've got a list of people wanting to get it, so if you don't like it? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out...

Art Eatman
October 24, 2009, 11:53 AM
Lotsa Keyboard Kommando chest beating here...

Sure, you can walk out. They can't physically restrain you. But when you sign up for a deal, you're stuck with either following their rules or going to play another game somewhere else.

Probably won't have any grades or certificates of completion to take with you, though.

Priorities, choices. Life is full of them.

And since this is not really a legal matter but a matter of one's philosophy...

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