Single Stack 9mm


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viking499
October 24, 2009, 03:05 PM
Who makes a good single stack 9mm? Something for CCW. What kind of safety features are standard on them?

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kanook
October 24, 2009, 03:08 PM
Sig P6 or P225. The P6 is still kinda priced lower then the P225. Same gun just the P6 is surplus and very small differences. Trigger, Hammer,

dontshakepandas
October 24, 2009, 03:13 PM
I carry a Walther PPS in 9mm and absolutely love it. It's safety features are very similar to those of a Glock.

ScareyH22A
October 24, 2009, 03:22 PM
If you're carrying in a quality holster, I don't think an external safety is needed. Slimmest and lightest weight stuff are probably from Kahr.

viking499
October 24, 2009, 03:23 PM
How do the sigs compare in size to the kahr?

ScareyH22A
October 24, 2009, 03:24 PM
They don't really. If your hands are smallish, try out a Ruger SR9. Not single stack but feels like one.

okierifleman
October 24, 2009, 04:28 PM
Try the Kimber Aegis, Kahr K9, or the STI LS9

j21blackjack
October 24, 2009, 04:48 PM
Love my PPS in .40, I'm sure 9mm would also be great. Just for comparison, with the 6 round mag (.40) it is exactly the same demensions as the Glock 27 except about half as thick. Almost pocket sized, easily concealed OWB, and non-existent IWB. Only downside I have found so far is that spare mags are like $50 :scrutiny:.

jocko
October 24, 2009, 04:58 PM
kahr PM9 weighs 14 ounces smaller than any out there except the rohrbaugh. super quality, not cheap but very pocketable. I have a pMK9 with 25,000 rounds through it and not one issue, just goes bang every time and rides in my front jeans pocket in a desantis 24/7..

BlindJustice
October 24, 2009, 05:17 PM
An often overlooked single stack semi-auto chambered in
9mm Luger is the S&W 908 DA/SA with the slide mounted safety
8 shot mag capacity. It descended from the Model 39 that
was the first US made DA/SA - although the early 39s had a few
issues - S&W worked with the Illinois state Police ( 1rst major
LEO agency to adopt a DA/SA in '68 I think ) and S&W came out
with the 39-2 later it was followed by the 3913 then they made it
small as the CS9 = Chiefs SPecial 9mm - the 908 is
given an econo black finish The 908S
is bare metal finish - SS slide, alloy frame
they're both 24 oz. empty.

saw some on Gunbroker about $425 which is
pretty good for an NIB S&W METAL semi-auto.

R-

azyogi
October 24, 2009, 05:26 PM
I love my zastava, but make sure you get with the slide mounted saftey not the frame mounted one.

DaBull
October 24, 2009, 05:43 PM
I love my zastava, but make sure you get with the slide mounted saftey not the frame mounted one.

Isn't the Zastava enormous?

How do the sigs compare in size to the kahr?

So assuming the OP is still interested in a single stack 9...the Sig P6/P225 is longer and thicker compared to the Kahr, but offers SA/DA functionality. The Kahr is DA. The $300 surplus P6 supply is starting to dry up...but you can probably still find them for a slight markup at gun shows. Agree with Blindjustice regarding S&W 3rd Gen guns like the 3913...very sturdy and reliable in a decent sized package, but with perhaps a gritty trigger. For sake of completeness, Taurus is also offering some small single stacks...check the PT709 Slim...but note that it is new and unproven...and the net is rife with complaints about their striker fired designs.

If the OP is considering double stacks, then try the Glock 26...it is thick due to the double stack, but is still small enough to be easy to conceal...probably easier to conceal than larger single stacks like the P6.

Steve_NEPhila
October 24, 2009, 06:58 PM
Take a look at the P7 PSP and the P7 M8 by Heckler and Koch. Sure, they are on the pricey side but once you shoot one you will know why.

rbernie
October 24, 2009, 07:01 PM
Most any 1911 in 9mm is simply The Bee's Knees.. My EDC is a 5" Kimber Aegis.

searcher451
October 24, 2009, 07:34 PM
The Walther PPS is top-drawer. So is the Walther P5C, though it's far harder to find these days, especially at a reasonable price. Both are tough to beat, however, for reliability and overall quality, IMO.

DamnedDirtyApe
October 24, 2009, 07:48 PM
+1 for a S&W 3913. I have a Ladysmith 3913 that I carry often.

+2 for a SIG P225. Many P6's, although they're virtually identical to a P225, have a differently configured feed ramp that's designed for strictly FMJ's and will choke on most hollowpoints.

BlindJustice
October 24, 2009, 08:20 PM
ANy support from SIg Sauer for the P6/P225 and
aftermarket or even SIg magazines available?

S&W 908 -S&W Customer Service and parts no problem / probably no need - with magazines available.

Randall

skeeter_08
October 24, 2009, 08:39 PM
A little pricey, but the 9mm Kimber Tactical Pro ll would be my choice

1SOW
October 24, 2009, 08:42 PM
Who makes a good single stack 9mm? Something for CCW. What kind of safety features are standard on them?

Sig 239: 8rd single stack, small grips, also optional curved short-reach trigger available

This is a surprisingly accurate gun having a 3.6" bbl.

DA/SA provides safety against negligent discharge, has a decocker

azyogi
October 24, 2009, 08:48 PM
My zastava is a TT33 type, quite slim, carry IWB small of my back, doesn't bother me even on long trips. Would post pics but haven't figured out how yet.

FuzzyBunny
October 24, 2009, 09:01 PM
I have to say I love my little Firestar 9mm. I wish they did not stop making them! If I knew that I would have bought one in a .45 also.

Much like the 1911 in operating and works like a chanp. Eats all I feed it, big hollow point or ball. Comes in black and the shiney Starvel finish. I needed no muscle memory retraining to transition from main 1911. One feature is the mag disconnect.

Only downside for some folks is the weight. Solid steel. A good holster is a must.

http://www.gunsworld.com/spain/graphs/firestar_40.jpg

Girodin
October 24, 2009, 09:08 PM
There are probably a lot of good choices out there. The following are two with which I have experience

Kahr K9 or P9, (the beduget minded who not care about not having night sights might be interested in the CW9) no manual safeties but they are perfectly safe to carry if you apply the dillegence and care required to carry any gun, namely a quality holster and proper gun handling. The K9 was designed from the get go to be a carry weapon and it has a lot going for it in that regard.

Springfield EMP (1911) this one has a thumb safety and a grip safety. Is is a very nice gun.

[QUOTE]How do the sigs compare in size to the kahr? [/QUOTE

The P6 is notably larger than the K9. I don't have the dimension but the last time I handled one it seemed to be roughly the same size as my G19. I have nothing against the P6 it is a solid gun. It is not particularly slim or small as single stack pistols go though. If I were to carry a gun that size I would just as soon have my G19 which has nearly twice the capacity. The P6 was a steal when the were selling for $250. Now I only see them for $345 and up. Still cheaper than a kahr or a EMP but not much less than a used glock. I agree the 3rd gen S&W seem to be good guns for the money.

usp9
October 24, 2009, 09:24 PM
These four are all about the same size.
All have 8+1 capacity.
Three have a 4" barrel, the other is 3.5".
The S&W is the only one with a manual safety, making it the widest.
All four would be excellent choices.
The lightest is about 20oz., the heaviest is 28 oz.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Group%20shots/908andTP9012.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/P7andKahr004.jpg

usp9
October 24, 2009, 09:31 PM
OOPS...double post :o

Blind Bat
October 24, 2009, 09:33 PM
I shot a PPS last week and absolutely loved it except for the gritty trigger. Not a bad pull, travel and weight wise but I'd expect more from the Walther name and $$$. I'm also bummed they don't have a 10rd mag option. I'm still looking for my perfect carry gun. The PPS comes close.

Quack
October 24, 2009, 10:18 PM
plenty to choose from...here's just a few:
Kahr's - heavy DA trigger
Sig P225/P6 or P239 - DA/SA w/ decocker
1911's (Springfield, Kimber, STI, Dan Wesson, etc...) thumb safety & grip safety
HK P7 - squeeze cocker
Walther PPS - trigger (like a glock)

I currently carry a EMP. I LOVE it. slim, light, great trigger, safe.
I had a Kahr. I liked the size, but HATED the trigger.
The P239 didn't feel right in my hands, but was accurate.
I had the P225 before Ohio had CCW. fit better than a P239 since it was pretty much a single stack P228.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_0458.jpg

clang
October 24, 2009, 10:22 PM
S&W 39xx series:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/clang444/SWsmallautos.jpg

f4t9r
October 24, 2009, 10:37 PM
Sig P6 would be good choice or a 1911 in 9mm

viking499
October 24, 2009, 10:49 PM
Anybody make a decent priced 1911 9mm? Everyone I have seen is more than a 45 1911.....:confused:

Quack
October 24, 2009, 10:51 PM
define "decent price" ?

swmp9jrm
October 24, 2009, 10:56 PM
Taurus PT-709. 7+1, manual safety, Glock type trigger, SA with second strike. A skosh bigger than the Kahr PM-9, Kel-Tec PF-9. About the same size as the PPS.

http://i26.tinypic.com/vws8w7.jpg

viking499
October 24, 2009, 11:00 PM
Under $800............

Quack
October 24, 2009, 11:04 PM
they are out there, but you have to look around or buy a pre-owned

I bought my Springfield Loaded Target 9mm last year for $799/NIB

blue german
October 25, 2009, 03:14 AM
The Star Firestar Plus is only a little bigger than the Firestar, takes a 13 round mag, and is a bit lighter.

Thereare lots of good cheap single column 9mms. Walther P-1s and P-4s as well as P-5s, Star BKS, BM and BKMs, Astra A-70 and A-75s, the Zastava M88 and M88A, The various 9mm Tokarevs, Karh P-9 are good choices in all price ranges.

samurai
October 25, 2009, 12:25 PM
I have a Smith 3913NL and CS9 . They are both great.

Glock Holiday
October 25, 2009, 03:24 PM
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x42/Glockholiday/sig2.jpg
I've got a couple of P6's and I like them but for CC duty the Kahr might be better.

gc70
October 25, 2009, 05:03 PM
Anybody make a decent priced 1911 9mm? Everyone I have seen is more than a 45 1911.....

You can get a Star BM for a couple of hundred dollars. They have the 'look and feel' of a slightly smaller than Commander sized 1911, but have different internals.

smoketheresfire
October 25, 2009, 05:56 PM
The PPS's trigger WILL smooth out in 200 rds or so. I have about 1000 or so thru mine and the trigger is great. 10 rd mag would be LONG and would print badly. In jeans I just carry my extra mag in that small pocket in front of the pocket. Thats the other advantage to a single stack, extra mags easy to carry.

Plus the going "good deal" price on PPS's is around $540. The expensive shops will charge $650. The PPS is great, but for $650 I would look elsewhere.

marv
October 26, 2009, 12:15 AM
KelTec PF9. No manual safety. The DAO trigger IS the safety.

dec41971
October 26, 2009, 12:56 AM
j21blackjack, they have IWB holster for the Walther PPS. Checkout high noon "Public Secret" very nice! If you want a bit more expensive, they have more expensive too. Its cowhide/Horsehide molded to the gun.

SIGLBER
October 26, 2009, 02:19 AM
Sig 239, Sig 225, S&W 3913, are probably the "best of the breed" in single stack 9mm's.

9MMare
October 26, 2009, 04:07 AM
You can get a Star BM for a couple of hundred dollars. They have the 'look and feel' of a slightly smaller than Commander sized 1911, but have different internals.

I saw a couple of these at a gunshow....what is the quality like? Any idea how reliable?

45crittergitter
November 3, 2009, 11:01 PM
For pocket carry, you're probably talking a Kel-Tec or Rohrbaugh. For holster carry, single stack isn't needed...

josh2415
November 3, 2009, 11:18 PM
KelTec PF9. No manual safety. The DAO trigger IS the safety.Ditto on the PF9 - inexpensive and easy to carry.

mfcmb
November 3, 2009, 11:19 PM
I like my Kahr CW9. My finger is my safety.

mordechaianiliewicz
November 4, 2009, 12:47 AM
Kel Tec PF9. It's an awesome gun. Really small, really concealable, but also very good.

Kahr Arms CW9 if you want to spend a bit extra money.

KelTec is about $300 brand new.

Kahr is about $500 brand new.

Both are excellent, and I would trust either to save my bacon.

RockyMtnTactical
November 4, 2009, 12:51 AM
I wish Glock could make and sell a single stack 9mm sub compact... I hate the Kahrs.

May have to try an EMP.

MAURICE
November 4, 2009, 08:17 AM
I'm going to take a second and brag on my SA UC in 9mm. 8 rounds, +1 in the pipe. Single stack, accurate, light recoil, and it's a 1911. Doesn't get much better than that if you ask me. Only problem is they're hard to find. I paid 500 bucks for mine used a handful of years ago and now they run 700-800 bucks.

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