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THE DARK KNIGHT
October 25, 2009, 06:40 PM
I just got my Kimber Custom II 1911 and took it to the range to put 300 rounds through it. I've heard all this about 1911's needing break in period, also about needing special Tommy Hilfiger or Ralph Lauren magazines for it to function right. Well just wanted to report that my gun ran 300 rds of WWB 230gr FMJ out of cheapo $5.96 magazines from cheaper than dirt flawlessly.

So don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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Kingofthehill
October 25, 2009, 07:13 PM
So don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Exactly why I won't be listening to your post either.

Every gun is different. same brand, same day built, same lot # of material. Sometimes you get a bad one.

and no offense, why are you running such cheap mag's through a 1,000k+ gun? Just makes no sense to me. Sure it may not need it but why? Kinda like the guy with the $1500 AR-15 with Airsoft parts added later.

JOe

THE DARK KNIGHT
October 25, 2009, 07:23 PM
The mags work just fine, why bother with expensive ones when I can just buy 10 cheap ones. I don't like paying for just a name.

Walkalong
October 25, 2009, 07:28 PM
Good to hear. My new CDP II Ultra ran 100% from round one as well, but using Kimber and Wilson mags. It's still running 100%.

JoeSlomo
October 25, 2009, 08:09 PM
Exactly why I won't be listening to your post either. :p

Too funny, but true.

The mags work just fine, why bother with expensive ones when I can just buy 10 cheap ones. I don't like paying for just a name.

Sir, generally, the "expensive" mags are the ones commonly used in competition by individuals who fire many, many, many more rounds than do the typical user, and hence, have developed a reputation for reliability.

Does that mean that a "cheapie" won't do the job? No. However, it IS generally wiser to use products that have already been proven to have a record of good performance.

Mad Magyar
October 25, 2009, 08:10 PM
I thought you NJ guys couldn't own or fire any pistols....:D

darksidemxer
October 25, 2009, 08:22 PM
you know every1 bashes the factory kimber mags, my fiance has close to 600 through hers and not a single problem! my para doublestack is a different story though...

j21blackjack
October 25, 2009, 08:26 PM
I had some of those cheapo mags once too. After a couple hundered rounds both welded base plates broke off sending rounds all over the floor of the range. Learned my lesson, won't happen again, especially with a gun I trust my life to. $30, or so, is a small price to pay for a decent mag when it comes to life and death.

Mags
October 25, 2009, 08:46 PM
(sarcasm) Wow, you had a Kimber that didn't explode upon looking at ammo? It even fed the rounds out of a factory mag? I think your Kimber is defective. (sarcasm) I love my Kimber, have owned a few of em now and a few different brands of 1911s and Kimber is my favorite. Now let the Mimber crap flow from the haters.

Oro
October 25, 2009, 08:48 PM
The el-cheapo Chinese fakes - sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but either way they never last very long. they are usually built to "fake" a Vietnam-era mil-spec magazine and have phony logistics numbers on the bottom. They usually start out OK, but give up the ghost as the springs give out quickly or the tube is twisted out of spec from use or carry - the steel just isn't good quality or usually proper thickness.

An inexpensive source of quality magazines is the sale at Metalform on their contract magazines (they supply Colt, SA, and some other reputable makers). Click on "quantity discount" here and you can get some nice pieces for $13 each. They are a few dollars more, but they are also US made by a reputable maker and not Asian junk, which is worth a few dollars in my book. This company makes magazines for Colt, SA, Kimber, and others. They know how to make magazines.

http://metalformcompany.thomasnet.co...93-5h?&seo=110

It's not "what" you read on the internet you need to not believe; it's "who."

David E
October 25, 2009, 08:49 PM
The mags work just fine, why bother with expensive ones when I can just buy 10 cheap ones. I don't like paying for just a name.

For long term durability. You buy a magazine for function, not to save a couple bucks. If the gun is strictly for range use, then it doesn't matter if the mags work or not.

Let us know how long those $6 mags hold up for you.

bdb benzino
October 25, 2009, 08:51 PM
Why buy a 1000 dollar pistol then? Why not find a 1911 for 50 bucks and tell us how we are all stupid for buying nice products that cost more.
I have some six dollar mags too but I am not foolish enough to put my life on it for carry. If your safety is only worth six dollar mags so be it.
You WILL see the difference eventually, hopefully not when you need it to defend yourself or loved ones.
For the most part the posts on here are peoples life experiences, from people who have been there and done that. There is some BS, but you have to call that yourself. From my experiences, good mags like Wilson Combat or Shooting stars are worth the money in the end.
If you are in to penny pinching, shooting 45 cal 1911's is not wise.

CZ223
October 25, 2009, 09:31 PM
It has been my somewhat limited experience that if it runs right from the factory it will continue to run well. It has also been my personal experience that if it doesn't run right from the factory, running 500 rounds through it is a waste of time and money depending on the severity of the problem. Don't get me wrong, I like my Kimber a lot. If it functioned as flawlessly as my Taurus I would LOVE it.

It seems odd, as someone already said, that you would spend close to, or upwards of, a thousand dollars on a pistol, then put junk mags in it. They may work for a while but the feed lips will wear or bend or they will fail in some other way. It is funny that you should say that you don't like paying for a name when, in fact, that is what you did by buying a Kimber. Remember, if a pistol is properly tuned and you have a malfunction, the problem is most often the magazine. Buy some Wilson 47D's or Kimber Mags and you will be good to go. If you have a $50 Tasco on your $700 hunting rifle then I have just wasted my breath.:banghead:

xmanpike
October 25, 2009, 09:35 PM
From my experience the Kimbers that work, work well, and the ones that do not, are terrible. I think this is the reason you see lots of Kimbers for sale, and many fewer Colts.

okierifleman
October 25, 2009, 09:53 PM
I have several Kimbers and all of them ran great out of the box except one. I had to really baby it along for the first 500 or so rounds. The fit between the slide and frame was very tight in a couple of places. I ran it dripping wet for the first bit and now it runs like the rest of them. And, I am with most of you on the mags, its all Wilson Combat for me.

THE DARK KNIGHT
October 25, 2009, 10:16 PM
I love all the gun snobbery.

I also love how the thought of a gun for anything but self defense is not even considered!

How about, I don't carry this gun so if my cheap asian mag breaks (which I highly doubt it will) so if it failed....meh, toss in the garbage can behind me at the range and grab the next? Big deal.

Mags
October 25, 2009, 10:19 PM
What did I tell you would happen in post number nine? It happens in every therad that is related to Kimbers. I don't even think it has to do with your mags.

mljdeckard
October 25, 2009, 10:28 PM
My Kimber Custon II didn't need any break-in. It runs fine with Kimber magazines. Tax return time I'm getting a handful of Wilson 47Ds. The only mags I ever had problems with were the GI ones I stole from the army.

David E
October 25, 2009, 10:50 PM
I also love how the thought of a gun for anything but self defense is not even considered!

How about, I don't carry this gun so if my cheap asian mag breaks (which I highly doubt it will) so if it failed....meh, toss in the garbage can behind me at the range and grab the next? Big deal.

Exactly my point in post #11

Me, I want durability and long term reliability, no matter what use the gun is put to.

Kingofthehill
October 26, 2009, 12:01 AM
I love all the gun snobbery.

You brought the Snobbery into all this....

Congrats you have a kimber (wish i had one, will have one soon enough), and congrats your $6 mags are working for you NOW... but what was the point of your thread??? I just don't get it. Very troll like behavior if you ask me.

I have some tack welded cheap Springfield mags that came with my "Loaded" model and everyone said they were going to break... well 3k later they haven't???? so im still using them.

And another thing... Like someone else pointed out. If you don't need expensive mags to get the job done, why did you buy a kimber? why not get a Rock Island? it will still go Bang and put holes in paper since like you put it, your not thinking of self defense.

Overall im just confused at the point you are trying to make. Congrats on getting lucky saving a few bucks on mags... overall the cheapest place of the gun to really make or break the reputation of it.

JOe

Drail
October 26, 2009, 12:03 AM
Using quality gear has nothing to do with snobbery. It's about reliability. How much is your life worth?

Ridgerunner665
October 26, 2009, 12:04 AM
Good to hear but you may or may not have spoken too soon...

Report back after you run some hollowpoints through it...that is where the ones that do have problems...have the most problems.

bdb benzino
October 26, 2009, 12:11 AM
I would love to have a couple different Kimbers, so for me the brand has nothing to do with the taste in mags. I just enjoy good quality mags, even on my double stack mags I would rather have a MecGar over a factory mag most of the time. I beleive you can feel the difference in alot of pistols between the one mag that feeds ok and one that is smooth feeding.

To me it is very bothersome to have a pistol malfunction, and I would like to know that it was not the mag that contributed to the problem. I often spend the extra $15-20 to help my odds of functioning smoothly by buying the top of the line mag for each pistol.;)

My wilson Combat 47D's make all three of my 1911's run smoother.

David E
October 26, 2009, 12:59 AM
I love all the gun snobbery.

Is that why you bought a Kimber instead of a Hi-Point?

Just wonderin'..................... :D :D :D

dec41971
October 26, 2009, 01:01 AM
I have a Kimber Ultra Covert II with 1000+ flawless rounds. No failures at all. I have the stock kimber magazine and 3 Wilson Combat mags recommended by most on here. Guess what? They all work with no issues. Yes even the Kimber mag included. So yeah, internet romours do prove untrue sometimes.:neener:

No snob here, I have Berretta and Walthers too.

weisse52
October 26, 2009, 03:13 AM
I love all the gun snobbery.
Is that why you bought a Kimber instead of a Hi-Point?

Ha, Ha.....we laugh:rolleyes:

Mags
October 26, 2009, 03:23 AM
Ok so now Kimber owners are gun snobs? I always thought it as the Wilson, Nighthawk, Ed Brown, and Les Baer guys. :neener:

Yo Mama
October 26, 2009, 11:44 AM
I actually have to agree a bit with you Dark. I can't believe it! :D

I just had a post with my 1911 failing to chamber the last round in my magazine. It was either limp wristing, or the magazine, which many felt the cause. I had Chip McCormick 35 dollar magazines! I thought they were never supposed to fail. I've only had it for 3 years.

To be fair, they were 8 rounders. Either way, for 35 bucks I'm pissed.

Now the mags that came with the gun work flawlessly.

wally
October 26, 2009, 12:40 PM
no offense, why are you running such cheap mag's through a 1,000k+ gun? Just makes no sense to me.

Mags are pretty much binary in function -- either they work or they don't. I've a bunch of the cheap 7-round "GI forgeries" and after throwing out a couple initially they've all worked fine for years in a variety of 1911 pistols.

I've never found the need to spend more than $15 for an 8-round 1911 mag.

--wally.

Zach S
October 26, 2009, 11:06 PM
How much is your life worth?
More than six dollars...

Cheap mags are great for range work. I've used GI knock-offs and asian mags in mine. I lost two baseplates for the GI mags and one for the asian mags. I found all the ammo though...

For CC, I've been using Metalforms lately, and Wilson 47s before that.

IMO using a $6 magazine in a Kimber is like having a Cadillac painted at Macco...

NMGonzo
October 26, 2009, 11:17 PM
Second 1911 came with 2 magazines.

Both work fine in my Combat Commander, and the colt magazine that came with the Combat commander (which would not feed well) works wonderfully on the new to me springer.

So, now I have 2 spare mags for the springer (all of them 8 round mags) and one 7 and one 8 rounder for the combat commander.

Meh ... it works out at the end.

Zerodefect
October 26, 2009, 11:26 PM
Glad your K works. Mine needed some help but its getting there. Multiple fails to feed and jams.

The mags my CDP came with were absolute garbage and whoever desighned them deserves Glock foot. With all the time that must be spent building a 1911, I don't get how they could cheap out on mags. Its a critical component. It would be fair to assume that Glocks mags are half of why they are so reliable.

The K followers scratched up the inside of my frame bad. I caught it before the got hold of my ramp.

Switched to Wilson and Tripp Cobra mags. I strongly recommend checking out Tripps site on why 1911 mags do what they do.

I switched to an 18lb spring in my 5" CDP, Polished the ramp and recoil rod. Detail stripped and Lubed as per Wilsons DVD and switched to decent mags.

So far so good. I think break in is a cop out. Sure the guns will run better once they're broken in, but they aren't going to magikly fix themselfs.

bearmgc
October 26, 2009, 11:54 PM
I've always used factory mags for my Colts and Springfields. They continue to work great. I try to buy the best I can for what I got, so it lasts. If someone wants to use cheap mags in an expensive gun that's their perogative. There is a hint of gun snobbery in threads like this one. After all the flailing he got about the cheap mags, if the cheap mags fail, he probably won't be warning others not to do what he did. So others won't benefit from his experience. If he doesn't run 300 rounds a day out the cheap mags, they may last for some time. But today must be one of those conflict producing days, because I read cat and dog fights all the over the Forums, over dang near every little thing. Carry on...

sarduy
October 27, 2009, 01:10 AM
For long term durability. You buy a magazine for function, not to save a couple bucks. If the gun is strictly for range use, then it doesn't matter if the mags work or not.

Let us know how long those $6 mags hold up for you.

i got 8 mags from CTD for $6 each, out of those 8 only 1 give me problem (Fail to Feed) the other 7 works great out of a RIA Tactical.

noskilz
October 27, 2009, 01:37 AM
Where can I find those Ralph Lauren mags? I'd hate to go to the range and not have my fashion accessories be coordinated . . . :what:

David E
October 27, 2009, 02:17 AM
i got 8 mags from CTD for $6 each, out of those 8 only 1 give me problem (Fail to Feed) the other 7 works great out of a RIA Tactical.

But for how long ?

(and now they are $7 magazines, tossing out that bad one. If you shoot much, I suspect you'll soon have one $48 magazine. Soon after that, you'll have a $48 experience)

Demitrios
October 27, 2009, 03:21 AM
I thought you NJ guys couldn't own or fire any pistols....:D

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