[hornadylnl]

Anyone know anything about Remington XP 100's in 458 win mag? Who built them, value, etc? I have the oppurtunity to buy one pretty cheap. TIA.

[steveno]

there is probably one reason why it is cheap and that the recoil is HEAVY. I wouldn't buy it for any more than what the cost of the action would be. it isn't a very practical gun.

[Mr.510]

... and don't forget to factor in the cost of a couple new wrists! :what:

[batmann]

They are tough to shoot out of a HEAVY rifle, I can't imagine what it would be like out of XP 100. That is probably why it is so cheap.

[earlthegoat2]

If you plan on downloading the 458 then go ahead and buy it. That is really the only thing it is good for. I wouldnt shoot any full house loads out of it.

[dom1104]

ok thats just sillyness.

[GregGry]

50% more ME then 3.5 inch shell with a slug out of my shotgun, in my hands? I don't hardly think so:eek:. How cheap is cheap? I would pay 100$ for it, at most 200$. I wouldn't likely ever shoot it, unless I could get a friend to down load the .458 to something like a 44 mag power :uhoh:

[robhof]

There was a video of an Encore with a 600 nitro barrel being fired circulating. The gun flew out of the shooter's hands and smacked him on the forehead. There's also a company that makes a 600 revolver, but I wouldn't touch either for free and I've shot a few 458's in rifles with good recoil pads and I wouldn't put a box of shells through them at on sitting either. I enjoy shooting, and 357max, 445 and 500 S&W are my limits with pistols. If you enjoy pain, then get the 458 and shoot away.

[woad_yurt]

A .458 handgun? What kind of twisted maniac proposed that idea?

[GregGry]

Someone who wasn't pleased enough at the broken teeth and orbital they got when they fired off a 12ga 3.5 shelled derringer.

[natman]

Does it come with a box of 19 unfired cartridges and one empty case?

[GregGry]

I am waiting for someone to chime in and say the recoil is manageable, its somewhere between a hot .44 mag and .600 ne

Does it come with a box of 19 unfired cartridges and one empty case? Haha more then likely. Be sure to check it out, I bet its trigger isn't broken in yet. Might need to shoot 200 rounds through to get it as crisp as it should be :p

[das38spl]

.458 WIN from an XP-100...?!
Now.....THAT'S a REAL "Fireball", Remington!!!
Just curious....Did T/C (Thompson/Center) ever do up a Contender in .458?
When I was 12, I shot ONE round of .458 from a Ruger Model 3 (?).....
Methinks I still bear the black-and-blue "tattoo" on my right shoulder....!
Thanks...but NO Thanks!! Haven't happened on too many rhinos here in NH!!

[steveno]

I should also mention that if you just buy it for the action you will need a new bolt since it had to be reworked to work with the magnum case head size.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I am waiting for someone to chime in and say the recoil is manageable, its somewhere between a hot .44 mag and .600 ne

That's exactly what I was gonna say! :p "Great condition; only fired once."

[Jim Watson]

I saw one in the 1970s when there was an IHMSA club in the area. Naturally he did not shoot it with full power elephant loads. Actually, he did not shoot it much at all, but it was a great conversation starter.

[MCgunner]

The XP100 was a very short action, at least the original one. The .458 takes a long action. I'm not really computing on this one. I think they did some in 7-08, a short action round. I don't recall it being chambered for long actions, but I really never paid attention to the gun that close. LOL Maybe they built a long action version????? I always thought of it as a "hand rifle" cause you can't carry it in a holster, normally slung like a rifle. I've carried my Contender into stores concealed in a UM's shoulder rig before. :D Actually, it took a while to warm up to the Contender enough to try one. First 100 yard group made me a Contender lover, though. :D

[eastbank]

i would buy it, i own two xp-100r,s right now and have owned a few contenders in 35 rem., 45-70 and 375 jdj,and a encore in 454 cascull and 308 win. loaded down to managble recoil levels it would be a great deer and bear handgun. 500gr bullet at 2400fps,no. but 350gr bullet at 1500-1700 fps,yes. eastbank.

[Zeeemu]

Years ago I fired, just once, a TC Contender handgun chambered for a .30-30 cal. rifle cartridge. I haven't forgotten the pain.

[The Lone Haranguer]

Anyone know anything about Remington XP 100's in 458 win mag?
:what:

No, I don't think I would care to. :uhoh:

[MCgunner]

Years ago I fired, just once, a TC Contender handgun chambered for a .30-30 cal. rifle cartridge. I haven't forgotten the pain.

With full power rounds, mine recoils about like a .38 wadcutter in a K frame. It's got the 12" "hunter" barrel with very effective muzzle break on it, actually, a compensator. God help your ears if you ain't got your muffs, though. :D

[MCgunner]

Here's a pic, compensator is machined in the barrel.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=65981&d=1193197657

[unspellable]

Re the short action, there are a couple of 458 wildcats out there that are based on a shortened 458 Winchester case.

[hornadylnl]

I had read the xp was basically a model 7 which I knew to be a short action. I was wondering how a 458 win mag would fit. I don't know if the round could be turned in to fit or not. I haven't physically seen this gun yet. I figure I'll wait awhile and see if he comes down on price at all.

[westcoast362]

Back in the late seventies or early eighties a gunsmith in SoCal was tinkering w/XP-100's He made one for my wife in .243win, the recoil was not to bad, but it didn't shoot very well. She had it redone in .223. Still has it.
He also tried .458win mag. He settled on a 2" case (I don't recall the bullet weight) It worked just fine. The full size .458 would not work very well.

[Molasses]

I was wondering how a 458 win mag would fit. I don't know if the round could be turned in to fit or not.

Okay, just for giggles, I went and grabbed a couple things out of the gun room: a loaded round of .458 Winchester Magnum ammo and my XP-100, chambered in .221 Fireball.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/Toys/MVC-028F-3.jpg
As you can see, it's longer than the action opening, but it funnelled in there pretty easily. With the bullet's ogive resting up against the itty-bitty chamber opening and the rest of the overlength in the locking lug area, there's maybe 1/4" of space left over. So it should work pretty smoothly, although getting the empties to fall out would likely require tipping it to the right and shaking it a little.

Personally, were it me, I'd go for it if the price was right. I've got a bunch of moulds for .458" bullets and would plan on light loads. Down in Trapdoor Springfield .45-70 territory. I agree that the shorter length versions of the case would be the way to go for any sort of efficiency/performance and it might prove to have disappointing accuracy as-is: still, it'd be fun to play with and find out for sure.

[highlander 5]

A gun shop in NH had a XP 100 converted to 416 Taylor.
As far as 458 goes,I might buy it but let someone else test fire it.

[Jack2427]

I have a Ruger #1 African in 458 Winchester Mag, it is a very heavy rifle and still the round gets my undivided attention when one is touched off. I cannot concieve of what that little Remington must feel like.

[Deanimator]

I once read about one in "American Handgunner", something like thirty years ago. The first time the guy shot it, he was prone on his stomach. The scope came back and smacked him in the face, leaving a cut over his eye. From then on, he learned to shoot it in the recumbent position. He shot an iron ram with it. He got a hit and the ram spun out of sight. When it was examined, it had been hit in one leg, which broke off from the base side and bent at a right angle away from the body, in the direction of the flight path of the bullet.

[Dallas Jack]

You may have a .458 American designed by Frank C. Barnes in mid 1962. It was a .458 shortened from 2.5" to 2". It was designed to shoot bullets in the 300-400 grain weight. It is more related to the 45-70 than the .458. It is sometimes called the .458x2". If this is the case then a full sized .458 should not chamber.

I think JD Jones chambered some XP-100s for the .458x2" in the 70's or 80's.
Dallas Jack

[jem375]

I have a Savage Striker in 308 and an SSK Industries T/C in 375 JDJ and they are a handful but fun to shoot. I handgun hunt with these and they are very accurate.

[NWGS]

OK, so it's a year ago and no-one has bumped this thread. Guess I'll chime in.

Helloooooooo, (hearing echo)

For those who care?,
Check this out www.americanhandgunner.com/1979/HJF79.pdf

Back in the mid 70s a man by the name of John Towle, T-N-T Arms was not only experimenting, but actually built a .458 XP with dual grips.

His comments as I recall was "just to see if it could be done". The gun was not for sale due to obvious reasons. Read the story.

I actually had communicated with him via snail-mail back then and had a quote for a .358 at approx $750.00. In 70s dollars that was a alot.

Anyway, I hesitated for about four months before I decide to go for it and when I tried to contact him again, he was no-where to be found. I don't know if the Feds shut him down or what, but he just seem to dissappear.

Would love to find one of those .358s today.

Just my two cents worth...........

[Vern Humphrey]

... and don't forget to factor in the cost of a couple new wrists!
He won't need new wrists -- the original owner's arms are still hanging from the grips.

[NWGS]

BTW, just to clarify, T-N-T also built .358 XPs as well and the recoil was described as "managable".

The .458, (full size), from a prone position, and dual gripped, rose perpendicular to the firing line when fired...., hence.... "not for sale"

Anyone ever heard of John Towle from T-N-T? He also was big into building custom comp PPC guns....

[axxxel]

What if you put a silencer on it? Recoil and noise would go down but it would still be one hell of a powerful handgun...

[neededausername]

I wasn't familiar with the XP 100 so at first I assumed it was supposed to read XD. So I was picturing someone trying to shoot a 458 out of a little Springfield XD.....

[thebigc]

sounds painful

[massad ayoob]

NWGS, thanks for that blast from the past. John Towle crafted some fine firearms, and those big single shots were a hoot to shoot.

Should anyone be inspired to build their own, leave off the forward grip. They are not legal without ATF license at this time.

[Jim Watson]

Back when I was shooting handgun metallic silhouette in the 1970s, the biggest XP I ever saw was a .458 American (2" belted case.) The owner did not actually shoot it, he just showed it off and used his (downloaded) .308.

[planetmobius]

You'll be the only one on the block with one. Get it.

[/k/anadian]

.458 Win Mag pistol?

Get ATRS to make you a gill brake. It's what Rick has for his 18.5lbs .50BMG, tames the recoil.

I'd buy that thing ON THE SPOT.

[Dave Williams]

A gunsmith in NE Ohio built an XP in 585 Nyati. Pretty crazy. He was into big guns, had an A-Square in 500 A-Square on the wall for sale.

Dave Williams

[xphunter]

:what:

No, I don't think I would care to. :uhoh:
I have one in a 338 Lapua Improved, but, again, I am recoil sensitive :)
97.0 grains of Retumbo with either the 30 grain SMK or Berger.

[Gordon]

I have one of the last Remington XPRs in .35 Remington that came into Kalifornia. The magazine holds 4 .35 Rems which feed very well. I shoot 180 grain Speers with Reloader 7 out of it's 14" barrel at a chronographed 2200 fps +-. The Burris 2-7 Handgun scope hangs on with 3 rings. It shoots 2" 100 yard groups from a rest-all day. The recoil isn't bad as the rig weighs 4.5 pounds. When I loaded up some 220 bullets at 1900 fps it started getting pretty rough to shoot off a bench. I thinks some physics are involved here.

[Dr.Rob]

JD Jones and Lee Jurras come to mind. Those guys were all over exotic single shot hand cannons in the early 80's. Gun Digest used to run some pretty amusing articles about those pistols and the wildcat rounds developed for them.

[XxWINxX94]

I have an inherited T/C Contender pistol in .45-70 Gov't. I shot this thing 1 time to see what it was, and that was enough for me. Maybe if I could attach a stock or something, but that was one tough cookie, and I know a 458WIN is huge compared to this.

Heck, My Winchester model 71 in 348 kicks really hard and its a rifle! 458 in a pistol? I'd rather watch then shoot on that one.

[jmorris]

I like my XP in 7mm BR as it is about perfect.

The plan book that I built my 50 BMG from had a pistol version in it. All I can say from owning and shooting the rifle version is "no thanks" on the pistol version.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31827&d=1133035757

[Prosser]

A really good muzzle brake would make this shootable. All the gas coming out would make the brake work, knocking recoil down considerably.
Gary Reeder would be the guy to talk to, since he's Mr. One shot handgun hunting.

[oneounceload]

My XP in 7mm BR is nice to shoot, (although it is going up for sale as I no longer have a place to shoot it)

I can't imagine firing some of the previously mentioned cartridges, let alone the noise and recoil.....

[xphunter]

My XP in 7mm BR is nice to shoot, (although it is going up for sale as I no longer have a place to shoot it)

I can't imagine firing some of the previously mentioned cartridges, let alone the noise and recoil.....
PM me or email me (ernieemily@yahoo.com) your price if you are really going to sell it.
Ernie

[Snubshooter]

I don't think the action is long enough in the xp for the 458. As to recoil , I have a Gary Reeder Custom Encore in .300Wby 14in brl. I thought the recoil would be horrendous, I got sandbags and a jackhammer glove in preparation for the first shot.... IT WAS A PUSSYCAT. Gary's compensator was magic, It feels like a 6" .44, a JOY to shoot. What I'm saying is with the right tech recoil can be managed. Of course My baby spits about 5 feet of flame and the boattail scoots out there at around 2500 fps.

[xphunter]

The XP-100 can handle the the 458 Win Mag case.
Case length is 2.5" and one load data says the OLA is 3.340

I have a center-grip XP-100 chambered in the 338 Lapua case, but improved.
The standard 338 Lapua case measures 2.724, and the OAL on my loaded rounds is over 3.75".

97.0 grains of Retumbo with the 300 grainers (Berger and or Sierra Match King).
I can unload the fired cartridge without removing the bolt.
But I cannot unload a loaded round without taking the bolt out.

A good partition style brake is going to be more effective, as it will have more surface area to work with than the garden variety brakes that have patterned or random holes.
Also, the solid bottomed brakes are much kinder to the shooter, the gun, and the optics, since they do not blow gas down into the dirt.

I also have a XP in 7mm Dakota:D

Both of these XP's have high magnification rifle scopes on them as well.

When shooting prone off of a Harris bi-pod, I shoot both of these guns one-handed--Good brakes make everything different.

[xphunter]

338 Allen Xpress (338 Lapua Improved)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/xphunter_2006/338AX2.jpg