AZ- Shootout on I-10... 4 dead, etc.


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Ironbarr
November 5, 2003, 02:52 PM
More PC crap - "immigrant", "undocumented immigrants", "undocumented aliens" - why don't they call them what they are... Illegal aliens!!!

AZ THR-ers, stay sharp - seems you never know when the world starts tumbling.

-Andy

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1105freewayshoot.html

4 held in I-10 shooting deaths

Russell Gates/The Arizona Republic

Four suspects are taken into custody Tuesday morning at Riggs Road and Interstate 10 after a deadly shooting rampage.

Federal help sought after 4 die in smuggler attack

Senta Scarborough and Chris Fiscus
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 5, 2003 12:00 AM


A freeway shooting Tuesday involving feuding immigrant smugglers left four dead and crime scenes stretching from Casa Grande to the Ahwatukee Foothills.

The ambush left the dead scattered across the Interstate 10 median, sent helicopters searching for immigrants who fled into the desert and created a nine-hour traffic bottleneck as the westbound lanes of I-10 were shut down.

Local authorities, who called the incident "a rolling gunfight," asked for federal help to curb a trend of violent attacks involving immigrant smugglers.

"This appears to be a load of undocumented aliens that was being hijacked or kidnapped from another group of smugglers," Pinal County Sheriff Roger Vanderpool said. "It was clearly retaliation and to send a message."

The smugglers who were attacked near Casa Grande had kidnapped the immigrants from the assailants in southern Pinal County, he said.



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The suspected shooters later caught up to the other group about 8:30 a.m. as the smugglers headed toward Phoenix in a two-vehicle convoy.

They opened fire from a van, killing four and injuring five others. The two vehicles carried 24 people.

"They were really bold and really brazen to drive on the interstate and start shooting individuals," Vanderpool said. "We need help from the federal government."

The shooting grabbed national media attention and came on the same day that Mexican President Vicente Fox visited Phoenix to discuss, among other topics, the trafficking in undocumented immigrants from Mexico.

Vanderpool said four suspects, all Hispanic men, were in custody. They were traveling in a gray minivan and were taken into custody near I-10 and Riggs Road.

Three assault-style weapons were found inside the van. No weapons were found in the other two vehicles, and there was no evidence that any of the victims returned fire.

At least 18 people were in a pickup, which had 28 bullet holes, all from large- and small-caliber assault-style weapons. Authorities said the entire episode lasted 20 minutes.

None of the suspects or the dead was identified by late Tuesday. Three of the five wounded remained hospitalized Tuesday night.

"One of our agents found a guy with his toe blown off, his toe still in his hand," said Kyle Barnett, associate special agent in charge for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The bureau put 40 agents and a Black Hawk helicopter into the desert to look for those who fled the scene. At least 11 undocumented immigrants linked to the incident were later found near Sacaton and detained.

"Everybody that's been interviewed so far has claimed to be a Mexican citizen who is in this country illegally," Barnett said.


Disturbing trend


Barnett said highway hijacking aimed at smugglers and immigrants has become "a disturbing trend." It typically involves two hit vehicles and armed assailants.

"This is not the first time we're seeing this. It's a tactic that dopers used for ripping off loads," he explained. "They just carjack and steal the aliens, then hold them hostage until somebody pays."

Barnett said those involved are especially vicious criminals. While smugglers and illegal immigrants may have broken the law, top priority in this case will be catching and prosecuting the rip-off specialists.

Tactics used in the drug trade now are being used in human trafficking, and the impact is being felt far from the border. A local group recently landed a $1 million federal grant to launch the Arizona League to End Regional Trafficking, citing the problem in the state. The concern may be heightened after Tuesday's shooting.


Rundown of events


Authorities gave the following account:

About 8:30 a.m., a brown pickup truck and a green SUV were together, headed west toward Phoenix. A gray minivan pulled alongside and opened fire at milepost 180, just north of Casa Grande.

About a mile down the road, the pickup pulled over and several occupants fled into the desert. Four people were dead at the scene, including the driver.

The driver of the SUV also was shot. He got out of the vehicle, and a passenger grabbed the wheel and drove off without him.

Department of Public Safety and immigration authorities stopped the vehicle a few minutes later near Elliot Road. Five people were still in the SUV, a woman who was shot and four men who were uninjured. Windows on the vehicle were shot out.

Soon after, Gila River Indian Community police discovered the minivan on the dirt shoulder of Riggs Road, a few hundred yards west of I-10. A short time later, the four suspects were found in the desert and taken into custody.

As the incident unfolded, traffic from the south backed up, causing an accident that injured three people, one seriously.

Randy Karrer, 42, was in serious but "stable" condition after his SUV was rear-ended by a tractor-trailer. Karrer, operations chief for the Northwest Fire District, which serves an area north and west of Tucson, was headed to Phoenix for a meeting.

The tractor-trailer driver, Douglas Siegworth, 46, of New Mexico, was uninjured. Karrer's vehicle then hit a car driven by Roberto Benavides, 43, from California. He and a passenger, Stanley Rackow, 88, suffered minor injuries and were treated and released.

Several agencies spent the day at the various scenes, searching for evidence, trying to identify the dead and injured, and trying to piece together who was smuggling and who was being smuggled.

Vanderpool also repeated the plea for federal help, especially for rural agencies with strained manpower and budgets.

"We have enough homegrown crime without having to deal with immigration," he said. "It's a battle for turf, just like any drug cartel battling for turf in the drug trade. This is a battle in the struggle for human beings."

--Reporters Dennis Wagner and Niusha Faghih contributed to this article.

Reach the reporter at senta.scarborough@arizonarepublic.com or (602) 444-7937.

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TallPine
November 5, 2003, 03:43 PM
And it's "too expensive" to stop this crap at the border .... :rolleyes:


:fire:

Augustwest
November 5, 2003, 04:15 PM
WTH is an "assault-style weapon," please?

TallPine
November 5, 2003, 04:29 PM
WTH is an "assault-style weapon," please?
Any gun used in a crime between now and September, 2004

LiquidTension
November 5, 2003, 04:35 PM
And some idiots want to OPEN the borders more than they are :rolleyes:

Chipperman
November 5, 2003, 04:43 PM
Let's just give them all driver's licenses, and the problem will just go away. :rolleyes:

Daniel T
November 5, 2003, 04:57 PM
Any gun used in a crime between now and September, 2004

Hell, it's the media, it'll mean any weapon, period. This kind of stupidity doesn't sunset.

wingman
November 5, 2003, 05:09 PM
This is just the "dollar"cost to AZ.


(In 2001, a University of Arizona study estimated the financial cost of illegals to the Arizona taxpayer. They found that a total cost in Fiscal Year 2001 of over $330 million dollars in three main categories: $140 million in health care costs, $100 million for education and $90 million in criminal justice expenses.

Old Fuff
November 5, 2003, 05:33 PM
Some of those nice folks that come up from Mexico have "assault weapons," the real kind. Why? Because of the close association between drug and people smuggling. In fact, the same smugglers may be involved. It is not dificult for those involved in drug trade in Mexico, Central America and South America to get full-automatic weapons. The practice of kidnapping illegal aliens being smuggled by someone else is getting to be more common. Who are the aliens going to turn to ..... The police?

RustyHammer
November 5, 2003, 05:50 PM
"Some of those nice folks that come up from Mexico have "assault weapons," the real kind..." -- Old Fuff


You mean .....

:what: Bean Burritos!!! :fire:

Old Fuff
November 5, 2003, 06:00 PM
That toooooooo ......

Standing Wolf
November 5, 2003, 07:17 PM
why don't they call them what they are... Illegal aliens!!!

He who defines the terms of the argument generally wins it.

Ironbarr
November 5, 2003, 08:30 PM
It's about time I won something.;)

-Andy

Dave T
November 5, 2003, 10:52 PM
If our Governor had her way, at least they would have had legitimate driver's licenses. That would have made things so much better...

Open Carry
November 5, 2003, 11:42 PM
...but Ranch Rescue are the bad guys . No wonder the Arizona Republic is losing subscriptions.

MuzzleBlast
November 6, 2003, 11:23 AM
"They were really bold and really brazen to drive on the interstate and start shooting individuals," Vanderpool said. "We need help from the federal government."I admit I'm a little slow, but I just don't see the logical connection between those two sentences. They need the feds to... what, exactly?

Mark Tyson
November 6, 2003, 11:28 AM
They don't need the feds.

They need the unorganized militia - i.e. all law abiding citizens - to reach down, grab their cajones and take a stand against thugs of every stripe, foreign and domestic.

Then they'll need a good clean up crew!

TallPine
November 6, 2003, 11:33 AM
They need the feds to... what, exactly?
Protecting our borders might be a good start ...

As far as I understand, that definitely IS within federal jurisdiction.

Of course, the fed.gov is too busy meddling with things NOT in their jurisdiction in order to do that.

Lennyjoe
November 6, 2003, 12:16 PM
I'll be out this weekend Quail hunting close to the border. Have the Border Patrol number saved in my cell phone just in case.

Will be carrying a sidearm as well as the shotgun for sure.;)

TallPine
November 6, 2003, 12:26 PM
Has this story made the national media ??

I haven't seen it yet on Fox news.

Does that seem odd to anyone else .....?

Old Fuff
November 6, 2003, 01:02 PM
Why federal help?

Because this area of the border between Mexico and the United States is mostly open. If there is a fence it’s less of one that you’d find in an ordinary cow pasture. The country itself is mostly rugged and uninhabited. The topography consists of mountains, deep canyons and desert.

Local and state law enforcement agencies have neither the manpower nor financial resources to close or control an international border, and the people, smugglers and gangster who are illegally crossing it.

And seeing to the security on this nation’s international borders is not a local responsibility, nor is it a state responsibility. It is a federal responsibility, and ignoring the problems won’t change this at all.

Within a few days, whoever cross into the United States where I live, can and be wherever you live. No matter where that is.

Ironbarr
November 6, 2003, 01:26 PM
It was - film and all (after the fact) - on all three cable channels - probably Tuesday since this article was published Wednesday.

-Andy

bpisler
November 6, 2003, 06:57 PM
This happens in america and the goverment sends 87 billion dollors to iraq.It's about time to start taking better care of america and her people.

saddenedcitizen
November 7, 2003, 05:05 PM
1) Any and ALL illegal aliens caught are deported.
2) If you get caught a 2nd time, deported again.
3) 3rd time if you're caught crossing, you get shot
and if you're caught after crossing - 10 years in
a tent w/bread & water cleaning up the MASSIVE
messes left by other illegals (yes - I've seen some
of them and 'massive' is the word for it)

Aside from that, many of the 'crossing points' are
already known (follow the garbage/mess). Yes
they can be changed but not easily because of the
ruggedness/inhospitable nature of the terrain.

Make crossing illegally so d**n dangerous (not from
smugglers but from the Americans) that only a
masochistic or suicidal idiot would try it.

It CAN be done but there are reasons why this
situation is not being 'fixed'. That's another story.

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