Whats a good coyote rifle?


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sledhead76
November 3, 2009, 07:31 PM
I've decided that I'd like a dedicated predator rifle, but it seems there's different ways to go about it. I've browsed around and found the Savage Predator Hunter, which is a bolt gun, and then there's the other end of the spectrum, something like the Remington R-15, the semiauto AR design. Which style do you guys prefer for coyote hunting and why? And in what caliber? The Savage comes in 223 Rem, 204 Ruger, 22-250 Rem, while the Remington doesn't offer 22-250. The Savage is much more affordable, comes with a scope, and has the accutrigger which I love. But, the R-15 offers the quick second shot. Anyway, those are just two options I've been considering. What do you guys think?

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Retooferab
November 3, 2009, 08:14 PM
Go to predatormasters.com you'll get all kinds of answers. I coyote hunt with an a bolt in 25-06 because thats what I like and what I have. I am having an ar15 built by Mike Milli at Dedicated Technologies in 204 Ruger. I don't really need it but I wanted it. Isn't that why we buy half the things we own. I am interested in the204 for its good range and light recoil. Bottom line buy what you want and can afford.

lefteyedom
November 3, 2009, 08:32 PM
Weatherby sub MOA in 257 Weatherby...... It's only money.... $999
But it is the answer to long range Coyote shooting.:evil:
So what ammo is $75 a box....:banghead:
http://www.weatherby.com/product/selector/rifles

sledhead76
November 3, 2009, 08:37 PM
wow, that predatormasters site has a lot of information, thanks!

sledhead76
November 3, 2009, 08:40 PM
Yeah, $75 for a box of ammo is crazy, that's why I was leaning toward the 204 or 22-250. I haven't had the opportunity to fire either caliber yet, but they both seem to be pretty popular and more in the $15-$20 a box price range.

TankHand
November 3, 2009, 08:41 PM
+1 On the Savage. I have a .223 savage w/ a 20" bull-bbl and aaccu-trigger that I Love for predators, or targets under 500 yds. Believe me that you won't need that second shot with the savage bolt gun. At 100 yds I print inside a quarter with mine just shooting off of bags.

mljdeckard
November 3, 2009, 08:47 PM
Talk to the competitive coyote callers, and the most common gun is a 22-250. My dad has a fantastic Remington 700 VS-SF in 22-250. They like it more than say, the .223, because it screams through the wind better. Many of them also keep a shotgun with #4 buck next to them for close shots.

I'm in the process of building an AR for varminting, and I'll probably use a 24" barrel to get all of the velocity I can out of the .223, but I bet I'll still be wishing that the AR could be chambered in 22-250.

There might still be times and hunts where a 25-06 or even a 30-06 loaded with very light bullets is appropriate.

Gibbles
November 3, 2009, 08:54 PM
That's one thing I'm working on doing well, I can blast bunnies all day long but coyote's are just smarter than me...

I use a combo of 12ga (Saiga) and an .223 AR with scope quite well for bunnies, depending on how the bunnies are acting that day...
the best luck I have had with coyotes was while hunting deer, I had a nice clean shot on a few, but I passed hoping to bag a deer.

eddism
November 3, 2009, 09:04 PM
Take a look at the FN 98 Mauser action 6.5-284 in a 26" barrel with 1/10" twist No. 5 Tobler Stainless Barrel. Mount a 4-12X50 Swarovski Scope.

Projectile: Hornady 100gr SP
Powder: AR2209 58.5g
Primer: PMC
Case: Winchester
Overall Length: 76mm
Velocity: 3640fps

Shoots 1/2" groups at 100yds. Using substantial less powder per shot (13gr) within 50fsp of the 264 Winchester Magnum.

mljdeckard
November 3, 2009, 09:15 PM
Gibbles, I'm with you. I've killed a bajillion bunnies, but I really am just getting started on coyotes.

JDGray
November 3, 2009, 09:15 PM
This is the obvious answer:D
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=230

52grain
November 3, 2009, 09:18 PM
The gun is your choice, but get a .223 if you plan to shoot it much.

JAV8000
November 3, 2009, 09:25 PM
Ruger 581+ series Ranch rifles are nice affordable semi autos. My brand new tactical (non ATI folder:barf:) will shoot 1 MOA with 55 grain match ammo and a decent scope. It was $700 OTD with a 20 rnd mag. Very light and easy to shoot prone.

mljdeckard
November 3, 2009, 09:30 PM
Now,.......I know some of you will say this is just silly, BUT,

I have an idea of building an upper, with a 24" Wylde chamber, and a double-sided rail to mount an 870 Masterkey-style underneath it. (You have to have the 870 receiver cut to fit against the mag well.) This will allow .223/5.56 out to 500 yards, and #4 buck for the surprise shot within 50 yards. I mean, if I am going to have both guns with me anyway,....

And while I'm at it, I could build another dedicated .22LR upper with the same mount for jackrabbits, using 7-1/2. :)

Just thinking out loud.

RockyMtnTactical
November 3, 2009, 09:54 PM
I like the AR15 personally.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/coyotecallin15.jpg

NCsmitty
November 3, 2009, 09:57 PM
It's hard to beat a medium weight barreled 22-250, but a 243 will work the wind better and shoot nearly as flat.
A good shooter should be a competent reloader, because a serious hunter will expend a lot of ammo just practicing.


NCsmitty

mljdeckard
November 3, 2009, 10:01 PM
Rocky- is that out in the AZ/NV nook somewhere?

dubbleA
November 3, 2009, 10:02 PM
AR platform, many models/variants and calibers to choose from.

Marshhawk
November 3, 2009, 10:13 PM
I have the Savage Predator in 223. it is the most accurate gun I own. Have shot a 3 shot group well under1/2 inch( just over 1/3 actually:) with cheap 55 gr fmj. I have not worked up a load yet for it. I wish I had it in 22-250 as IMO its the best coyote round unless its real windy then the 243 gets the nod.

Bill/WI

X-Rap
November 3, 2009, 10:19 PM
I have multiple heavy barrels and AR's in a wide range of calibers and depending on the time of year and what I'm doing I will carry any of them. When I go out and intentionally call for coyotes I take an old 788 in 22-250. It is no beauty and snow camo'd with tape and shoots sub moa with 50gr Balistic tips. The whole gun including a matching period wide angle weaver cost less than $300.00.
Keep an eye out for one of these and you won't be disapointed.

41magsnub
November 3, 2009, 10:27 PM
I like the AR15 personally.

Why is Robin dressed up in camo out hunting when there is crime to fight? Batman got it handled?

41magsnub
November 3, 2009, 10:29 PM
My coyote gun is an M70 .22-250. It is a post 64 and if I had to do it over again it would have been a savage or the like because of the fit but it is a very minor quibble and I'm not going to do anything about it. It is plenty accurate and loves the tiny little fast v-max loadings.

Larry Ashcraft
November 3, 2009, 10:35 PM
I've used 223 and 22-250, but the 25-06 is my favorite.

When Wiley collides with a 100 grain Ballistic Tip going 3300 fps, his chances aren't good. ;)

rangerruck
November 3, 2009, 10:46 PM
I have 2 choices here; in a boltie I would do anything in 6mm remmy; a seriously screamer of a cartridge. a Coyote hit with a 6mm bullet doing about 3300 fps, will make them real sick, real fast.
If ammo cost is not that a big a deal to you, then a AR in 204 is flat with very little recoil, for fast follow up shots.
If you are hot stuff, and don't think you need a lot of follow up shots, check out a DPMS AR , in 243!! That will knock their wee-wee's in the dirt, real fast!
If ammo cost is a factor, then I would look for an ar or boltie , in 223.
and for a final thought, just for cool factor, and absolutely no recoil whatsoever, a Remmy boltie, in 17 fireball, out to 300 yds, would be so schwing!!!!
Also it would be super cheap to reload, if you were going to do that.

eddism
November 3, 2009, 11:02 PM
YAH! YAH! Ruger 10/22 17cal VMAX suppressed. The follow-ups come in a whisper. Get the whole lot quick.

myrockfight
November 3, 2009, 11:27 PM
Doesn't anyone use .270 for W.E.C. anymore? Growing up, I think I have used everything on 'em. 12 guage, 30-06, .22LR. - basically whatever happened to be handy at the time.

RockyMtnTactical
November 3, 2009, 11:39 PM
Rocky- is that out in the AZ/NV nook somewhere?

Indeed, Southern Nevada.

Why is Robin dressed up in camo out hunting when there is crime to fight? Batman got it handled?

Which one looks like Robin?

wrs840
November 3, 2009, 11:44 PM
I use a Savage Model 25 Lightweight Varminter Thumbhole in .223 with a Redfield 3x-9x scope. I don't reload, and I'm a noob distance-shooter, but it sure is purdy, and is a fun rifle... so I love it!

Sorry, I know this isn't much help... :D

Les

benzy2
November 4, 2009, 01:28 AM
Take a look at the FN 98 Mauser action 6.5-284 in a 26" barrel with 1/10" twist No. 5 Tobler Stainless Barrel. Mount a 4-12X50 Swarovski Scope. Where would one find this rifle for sale or is this going with something custom barreled?

NWCP
November 4, 2009, 04:47 AM
A CZ 527 American in .223 works just fine and is easy on the wallet as well.

Uncle Mike
November 4, 2009, 05:59 AM
Light recoil, for when those...less than spectacular shooting skills rear there ugly head and a follow up shot at a high speed yote is on call.

Flat trajectory... always good, no matter what the quarry!

Explosive results....pretty much the bullets duty. You need speed for this phenomenon. A 45-70 will pull a yotes ticket just as well as a 22-250 will, but the 22-250 will make more pink snow!

So...Light recoil, flat trajectory and explosive results....

I like the 22-250 or the 26-06 or any of the 6mm's or the 243 or the 257's, or the 223 or the 204 or the 220 swift or any of the 6.5's, or the..... and it goes on!

I like the 22-250! No recoil, super flat and it has an excellent spat factor!

HydrostatiK
November 4, 2009, 09:34 AM
RUGER mini 14!

sledhead76
November 4, 2009, 02:03 PM
Lots of good ideas so far, and some interesting stuff I hadn't thought of. I'm surprised to see a few people mention the .243 and .270, traditionally larger game bullets. I've got .223 AR, but it's a carbine and in "evil black", so I was thinking that something with a longer barrel and camo may produce better results. I wasn't expecting so many people to support the .223, since the 204 and 22-250 are somewhat flatter shooting.

rcmodel
November 4, 2009, 02:07 PM
Any accurate sporter-weight 22-250 with a 3x-9x scope.

It knocks thier socks clean off as far as you can see them!

Heavy-barrels & long barrels and such are a royal PITA when it comes to getting in & out of trucks, walking long distances, and calling in the brush.

Through the last nearly 50 years I have hunted them with .22RF, .22 Mag, 222 Rem, .223, 22-250, .220 Swift, 243, 6mm Rem, 25-06, 270,.30-30, and 30-06.

The 22-250 & .220 Swift beats them all for killing coyotes DRT!

rc

usmc1371
November 4, 2009, 02:44 PM
I bought a les baer super varmint (.204 ruger) just for coyotes and sage rats and jack rabbits and it is an outstanding rifle. But it is pretty dam heavy and it sucks when you are walking and calling dogs. It is great when you can just sit in one place for a long time and you can see a long ways. My next coyote rifle will be a light bolt gun in some thing bigger than .204, the 20 cal round works but at longish range its pretty easy to wound a dog and have him run off. I am thinking 243 or 25-06. That being said two weeks ago I got a coyote with my cz 550 375 HnH and let me tell you that 260 grain nosler acubond put a stop to that dog like nothing I have ever seen.

rcmodel
November 4, 2009, 02:50 PM
The last "Ultimate Coyote Rifle" I built for myself was a 25-06.

I'm here to tell you it doesn't kill them as decisively every time as my old .22-250 or Swift.

Too much power blows off big chunks sometimes, and they run off to die somewhere else. I had one with a front leg blown clear off make it over 1/4 mile before it died.

The 22-250 & 220 Swift puts a bullet in the boiler room, where it violently explodes inside and dumps 100% of it's energy.

What you get is a coyote full of mush that falls over dead without a twitch.

rc

Nick5182
November 4, 2009, 02:56 PM
It's all about what YOU want to use. I know people who use .204 and .223. When I used to coyote hunt, I used a .30-06 with light grain bullets. I think I'm going to get a .308 this winter for coyotes because I really want to get into it again.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 5, 2009, 04:08 PM
IMO, a good coyote "rifle" is my O/U 2-bbl combo longgun in .223 Rem / 12 gauge. It's a Baikal/Rem Spartan. #4, #3, #2, or #1 buck for close shots, .223 for longer shots.

This also makes a good fall turkey gun.

But pretty much any centerfire rifle, .22 to .25 caliber, that is accurate enough to make a longish hit with, and light enough to tote a ways, will work.

wankerjake
November 5, 2009, 04:55 PM
Go to predatormasters.com you'll get all kinds of answers
I agree...
But personally I use my model 70 .243 Win. It kills them right now every time, and with a good hard bullet construction the exit hole isn't bad. I have zero desire to use anything else. If you don't care about the pelts then I think the .243 or similar is the way to go; great for short or long shots and it puts them down right now. If you do care about pelts then use a light grain hollow point or a solid big game bullet and it still is great. Plus you can shoot a long ways if you're set up fot it. Either way get set up and git after them dogs, the deer and deer hunters thank you!

Ankeny
November 5, 2009, 07:08 PM
A CZ 527 American in .223 works just fine and is easy on the wallet as well. I use a CZ 527 American in .204 for coyotes. Knocks them flat without destroying the pelt. The vast majority of coyotes that I kill are under 100 yards and a quick light handling rifle is the ticket. I no longer use a "varmint" or "heavy sporter" profile unless I am the long range shooter on a team. Then I use a 7mm Rem. Mag.

Whitman31
November 5, 2009, 10:10 PM
I've got an AR-15 in 204 Ruger and a Remington 700 BDL in 22-250. In my opinion it's tough to beat either one. Varmint style AR's tend to get heavy pretty quick. I'm a fairly fit guy so I don't mind hauling it around.

Even though I don't actually own one, for an all around varmint gun, an AR-15 in 223 gives you the most options. I'd recommend something in about 20" and a fairly light wt barrel.

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