Romanian PSL vs. Yugo M76: cost/benefit?


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Col. Plink
November 6, 2009, 12:01 PM
Can anyone out there give me a cost/benefit analysis between the PSL and a Yugo M76? I'd like to have something like the Dragunov for the 8mm (7.92x57) round.

The Yugo M76's are something like 2-3X the cost of a PSL, does the difference in performance warrant that?

Is there anything more modern than Mausers (aside from M76's) that shoot 7.92x57?

Thanks!

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rocinante
November 6, 2009, 03:05 PM
I got a FN49 Egyptian for 505. Really good condition too. Started off lusting for an M76 but couldn't afford it. So far I like the FN49, semi automatic. Biggest fault is it is stripper fed and trying to scope it is turning into a pain. Seems to be accurate though.

Col. Plink
November 8, 2009, 01:42 PM
C'mon folks! Tell me about those Yugo M786's! They look bad to the bone!!

Shadow 7D
November 8, 2009, 04:36 PM
As far as I can tell, same thing (stretched AK action) different round

Col. Plink
November 8, 2009, 04:47 PM
OK, we've established that they are not the same rifle, as detailed by the fact that they shoot different rounds.

Anything else?

Ian
November 8, 2009, 04:52 PM
The M76 is also a large AK action, but much better built than the PSL. I've disassembled examples of both side by side, and I would definitely choose the M76 if I were going to buy one.

whitelightning777
April 17, 2013, 05:16 AM
Here's some helpful info. I do recommend this gun, if you can do final fitting. It's made by CAI.

http://www.youtube.com/user/whitelightning777

Note how I had to get the magazine issue right. The magazine isn't defective. It sits too low in the gun. :D

ccsniper
April 17, 2013, 05:28 AM
I have owned the PSL, and handled the m76 (though never shot). The m76 seemed better built IMO but to be honest, I wish I still had the PSL, great gun. I would say PSL.

Ash
April 17, 2013, 06:04 AM
There really would be no debate if the PSL had a milled receiver and better finish. The Romanians finished them crudely as the rifles were intended for combat. Where the parts required quality, the quality is there. Like any AK, though, bolts running on milled rails sound more solid than running on stamped. However, like AK's, accuracy is not correlated to milling. The lock-up is in the milled trunion.

I think build quality is actually better on many PSL's, considering the troubles folks have had with numerous M76's. They feel good, but don't shoot reliably. PSL's, of course, can have the same problem with mis-feeding magazines. In any case, I own an NDM-86 and a PSL and have no urges to get an M76 (though that may be more because of the caliber than anything else).

Dunkelheit
April 17, 2013, 07:26 AM
WWII German K43 8x57 semi auto
WWII German FG42 8x57 semi auto
1950 Egyptian Hakim 8x57 semi auto

JustinJ
April 17, 2013, 11:27 AM
Can anyone out there give me a cost/benefit analysis between the PSL and a Yugo M76? I'd like to have something like the Dragunov for the 8mm (7.92x57) round.

The M76 is really nothing like the Dragunov outside of a vaguely similar appearance. Operating systems are completely different.

I'd much rather go for something like a Vepr in 7.62x54 or .308 over a parts kit gun that likely won't be properly assembled.

WardenWolf
April 18, 2013, 04:32 PM
The PSL is an excellent battle rifle. Its US equivalent would be the M-14. That is, it's capable of accurate long-range fire when scoped, or short to midrange fire with iron sights. Don't think of it as a sniper rifle; think of it as an M14 equivalent, in both classic and modern roles. It only downside is its very long barrel and 10-round magazine limit.

The only problem I ever had with my PSL was the magazine. There were weld pits in the magazine under the feed lips that were catching the rim of the cartridge. Some work with a needle file to smooth out the front of the pits fixed that. The second mag that I purchased I handpicked to avoid that problem.

That being said, I just ordered a VEPR .308. These are supposed to be much more accurate than the PSL, but are overall higher build quality and have heavier barrels. I would have ordered the 7.62x54R version to maintain ammo commonality, but the 7.62x54R VEPR does not use double-stack magazines and is thus limited to 10 rounds.

I like the look of the Zastava M76, but the 8mm round is expensive and can be hard to find. Even before the panic, 8mm ammo was still going for around $20 for a box of 20 with PRVI Partizan ammo, versus $14 or so for 7.62x54R. I know this firsthand because I also shoot Mausers.

If I were to make a choice between PSL or M76, I would have to choose the PSL due to weight and ammo availability. However, I would choose a VEPR .308 over both, due to the availability of 20-round mags for the VEPR, as well as its ability to be converted to take M-14 mags should you want to go that route.

zoom6zoom
April 18, 2013, 07:11 PM
Not sure what the 76's are going for these days, but the days of the $700 PSL are long gone also. Have seen several going for at or near $2500 recently. And mags have gotten close to 100.

The PSL is also limited to light ball; extended use of heavy ball can batter the receiver too much.

My current project is converting a VEPR x54R into a Dragunov clone, shown here in comparison with my PSL.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/zoom6zoom/gun%20stuff/VEPR-PSL_zps36ca529d.jpg (http://s56.photobucket.com/user/zoom6zoom/media/gun%20stuff/VEPR-PSL_zps36ca529d.jpg.html)

JohnnyK
April 18, 2013, 08:29 PM
Saiga .308... .308 goodness + 25 round mags = fun!

WardenWolf
April 18, 2013, 10:58 PM
There was a company, Black Horse Arsenal, which was creating a short-stroke piston conversion for the PSL. It included an adjustable gas system and a new bolt carrier, among other parts. This essentially gave it the SVD's gas system, and was supposed to improve accuracy and allow use of heavy ball. However, I have not been able to get in touch with the company to verify they are shipping. Their phone system is broken and they have not responded to emails. What little I have been able to gather from Google suggests this is a common problem with them, so beware and don't order anything until you can get in touch with them.

FYI, I strongly recommend against using a square-back receiver .308 or 7.62x54R rifle as the basis for a Dragunov lookalike. The reason being is that the slant or radius cuts of the VEPR and PSL allow for there to be a lot more meat above the grip portion of the skeleton stock. On a square back receiver, the receiver cutout on the stock would be too deep and structurally compromise it. It's okay for 7.62x39 and lighter, but anything heavier needs that extra material or it will eventually crack. The receiver edge also tends to dig into your hand some if you use a PSL or SVD-style stock on a square receiver. I know from experience because I put a PSL-style stock (actually a WASR takeoff that I refinished) on my converted Saiga .223. You can see the problem here:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/TheTwins.jpg:original

I can get away with that since it's only a .223, but on a .308 or 7.62x54R, that stock would crack.

Ash
April 19, 2013, 08:52 PM
Plus, the square-backed receivers make for an extra-thick stock that is quite a hand-full.

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