Wanting new powder for 44 Mag.


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Randy1911
November 6, 2009, 04:40 PM
I am want to try a different powder for my Ruger Super Redhawk in 44 Mag. I am currently using H-110. I know that it is very picky on how much you can vary the charge. I am getting about 5" groups off a rest @25 yds. I have tried 2400 and Unique. I am planning on using this gun for deer hunting this fall. I am shooting Hornady XTP 240 gr. bullets. I am open for suggestions.

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Bailey Boat
November 6, 2009, 04:45 PM
I did some testing with my 629 not too long ago and had some sub 2" groups with Green Dot, Unique, HP 38 and 2400 using both 180 and 240 grain bullets. Velocities were in the "plinking" range of 1000 fps......

PS: I'm originally from Arkansas, around Hot Springs...... Small world....

rcmodel
November 6, 2009, 04:48 PM
5" off a rest at 25 yards is probably not caused by the the powder!

If you have already tried H110, 2400, and Unique, and it didn't shoot 240 XTP's quite well with one of them, something else is wrong.

rc

jem375
November 6, 2009, 05:02 PM
He's right, if you can't group well with H110, WW296, 2400, or AA#9, sell the gun ...............

ranger335v
November 6, 2009, 05:19 PM
" I am open for suggestions"

Try another bullet. IF that won't work, sell the pistol.

rcmodel
November 6, 2009, 05:26 PM
If it won't shoot 240 XTP's real well, I doubt it will shoot anything else real well either.

They are the gold standard for accuracy in most any handgun caliber.

rc

uf-engineer
November 6, 2009, 05:28 PM
I use h110 & 2400 with 240gr xtp's. I have 1" groups out to 50 yards off the bench. My super redhawk is scoped.

Shoney
November 6, 2009, 05:28 PM
You guys are way to polite.:what:

Just tell him the loose screw behind the pistol needs adjustment.:eek:

Randy1911
November 6, 2009, 05:48 PM
I will see if I can find someone else to shoot the gun and elimate me out of the puzzle.:D:eek: I have only had this pistol for a couple of months. I am going to try some different bullet weights as well.

1911Tuner
November 6, 2009, 05:55 PM
Check the chamber throats to see if they're undersized or vary more than .001 inch.

Walkalong
November 6, 2009, 06:50 PM
If AA #9 or N110 won't shoot with those XTP's, it's the driver or a gun problem.

Kernel
November 6, 2009, 07:29 PM
I am want to try a different powder for my Ruger Super Redhawk in 44 Mag.
Try Hodgdon's Lil'Gun. It's putting up some pretty remarkable velocities. For top performance, I'd also encourage you to take full advantage of your Redhawk's generous cylinder length when developing handloads. This can have the effect of increasing powder capacity by as much as 20%. And by following proper handloading techniques, can increasing muzzle velocities by hundreds of fps.

Randy1911
November 6, 2009, 08:16 PM
I will get some sandbags and try again. I am currently shooting off cross sticks for a rest since that is what I am going to take hunting. I will be the first one to admit that it could be me. My biggest problem is I don't have a shooting buddy to have try it out for me(my wife shoots but she can't handle the 44). I am going to do some loading tonight and try to get to the range tomorrow.

jbkebert
November 6, 2009, 08:46 PM
I load with lil-gun and my SPR loves it. Burns clean, accurate, hits hard its a good powder.

Ret.CWO
November 6, 2009, 08:52 PM
I have always used W296 for my power loads. 25 Grs. behind a 240 Gr. semi wad cutter. It is a MAX load. I use it in a Ruger Black Hawk 10 1/2 barrel and a Winchester 94A rifle. It's in the Winchester loading tables. Duplicates a factory load they sell. Has one heck of a wallop. Groups well at fifty yards with the 94A.:fire::fire:

SlamFire1
November 6, 2009, 08:59 PM
I have always used W296 for my power loads.

W296 is the same powder as H110, only difference is the variability due to lot to lot differences.

I have used H110, 2400, AA#9 with many different 240 Jacketed bullets. All of these powders shoot well, but I prefer 2400 because you can cut the loads and still have excellent performance.

bluetopper
November 6, 2009, 09:10 PM
2400 & AA4100 are my 44 powders.

buck460XVR
November 6, 2009, 10:31 PM
My 629 loves 240 XTPs and H110/W296. Actually it likes any 240 grain bullet and H110/W296. If you've got a long pipe. you might like IMR4227. Aint quite as fast as H110/W296, but is accurate and doesn't have the narrow parameters.

ArchAngelCD
November 6, 2009, 10:44 PM
What do those 5" groups look like? Are they all over the place, strung vertically, strung horizontally or something else?

Like the others have said, the bullet and powders you have already tried should have produced much better accuracy. If you have shot other revolvers better I would check the barrel for copper fouling because that will ruin even the best efforts at accuracy. Also like said above, check the chamber throats and even the barrel diameter if all else fails.

Good luck finding the problem...

GRIZ22
November 6, 2009, 10:56 PM
I have always used W296 for my power loads. 25 Grs. behind a 240 Gr. semi wad cutter.

I guess I'm only slightly more conservative as I use 24 grains. I use Unique for mild to slightly warm loads. I shoot cast bullets almost exclusively.

MichaelK
November 7, 2009, 12:54 AM
My standard 44 magnum load is Lyman's 245 grain 429421 bullet pushed by 16.0 grains of Blue Dot.

Sport45
November 7, 2009, 01:04 AM
Anybody tried Ramshot Enforcer for magnum loads yet?

From the little I've seen it looks like it would fall somewhere between 2400 and H110/W296 in velocity.

243winxb
November 7, 2009, 09:06 AM
Are you using a Magnum primer?

NCsmitty
November 7, 2009, 09:56 AM
Are you using a Magnum primer?

Good point, 243winxb. H110/Win296 absolutely needs a hot primer for consistent ignition, which usually translates into target consistency.
Whether this is the reason for the less than stellar target performance remains to be discovered.



NCsmitty

Ky Larry
November 7, 2009, 10:11 AM
My Model 29 likes 240gr Nosler JHP's,PMC LP Mag primers, and 19.2gr of AA#9. I use a slightly more snug crimp on warm loads than I use on my plinking loads. It seems to improve consistency. Keep us posted.

Noveldoc
November 7, 2009, 02:17 PM
I would try a good quality cast 240 SWC or, better, a DEWC. I use 4.5 of HP 38 in 44 Spl cases and get teeny groups with these, especially the DEWC.

My Blackhawk has hunting accuracy but not target accuracy if I load full tilt boogie in 44 Mag cases. Still fun to shoot though.

Tom

RidgwayCO
November 7, 2009, 04:09 PM
I agree with ArchAngelCD, it sounds like a copper-fouling problem...

The standard .44 Magnum powders I've tried are 296 and H110 with magnum primers, and 2400, AA #9, and VV N110 with standard primers. If one of these won't work for you, something's wrong with either the gun or the shooter.

Randy1911
November 7, 2009, 09:56 PM
[QUOTE][/ Are you using a Magnum primer?
QUOTE]


I am not getting any unburnt powder residue. I am using Winchester primers which are listed on the box as "for standard or magnum loads".

I didn't make it to the range today but will defintly go tomorrow. I will report back on the results.

Bailey Boat
November 8, 2009, 08:33 AM
I am currently shooting off cross sticks for a rest since that is what I am going to take hunting.

What part of the gun is resting on the sticks???? The barrel or the frame???? You probably see where I'm going here?????

Randy1911
November 8, 2009, 07:25 PM
Bailey Boat - The frame of the gun is what I am resting on the cross sticks. I have tried both ways and it didn't make a difference.

I measured the cylinder throats with my calipers today and they all measured .430. I had a friend try shooting it today and he didn't do any better than I did. We were shooting off sandbads. I am going to take it to my gunsmith tomorrow and have him check it out throughly and if he finds a problem I will send it back to Ruger. I also put a Simmonns(made by Bushnell) 2-6X32mm scope on it yesterday and that helped very little.

ArchAngelCD
November 8, 2009, 08:22 PM
You didn't mention if you checked for copper fouling like I suggested above. Like I said, that will ruin even the best efforts at accuracy.

Randy1911
November 8, 2009, 10:42 PM
ArchAngelCD - I looked down the bore with a bore light and could see no sign of any kind of fouling. It was clean and bright. I am going to go and see if I can find a box of factory ammo tomorrow to see if that changes anything.

2ndwind
November 8, 2009, 11:08 PM
Make sure the screws holding the rear sight are tight.... I was ready to send a new S&W 625 back....till I discovered there was only one screw holding the sight into the frame....Loc Tight can be your friend....

evan price
November 9, 2009, 01:50 AM
Wow, I use AA#9 and a 240-XTP in my Super Redhawk. Your components are firstrate, any problem is either the gun or the shooter.

DWFan
November 9, 2009, 04:52 AM
From the Feb. '09 issue of Handloader magazine:
Sierra 240gr over 21.0gr AA-Scots 4100 delivers 1403 fps with only a 15 fps deviation in a 7.5" Super Blackhawk.

Radaray
November 11, 2009, 04:30 PM
Well, he said he tried a scope on it, and that didn't help any either. I will tell you something about that albeit very embarrassing. I have a SBH with a 10 1/2" barrel that I normally use a Leupold 4X scope with. However, I take it off and use open sights when working up new loads, so I can see the screens of my chrony. After I finished once, I remounted the scope and never checked it. A group of my shooting buddies got together to do some shooting, and none of them could hit anything with my Ruger. They blamed it on the scope. When I looked through it, it was like looking through a tunnel~~~no magnification or field of view. It was only after I sent off a letter to Leupold when I was removing it to send it to the factory that I discovered that I mounted it on BACKWARDS.
Point is, the loose screw behind the gun can over look some of the most basic errors. Does sound like something either very simple, or a problem with the gun. Most any of those loads will shoot into 5" at 100 yards with my rig, and I'm not a very good shot.

Randy1911
November 11, 2009, 06:49 PM
I got a surprise today when I back to the range. I was reading in my manual that H-110 required a "HEAVY" roll crimp. So I increased the amount of crimp on my rounds. What a difference something so little can make. I started getting 1-1/2" groups @ 25 yards after doing just that little adjustment. You learn something everyday. I will now start going to the rifle range and trying longer shots. Thanks for all the suggestions from eveyone.

P.S. I bought a box of WWB to test and I don't know what powder they use but they had a light taper crimp on them. But they shot good.:confused:

evan price
November 12, 2009, 01:08 AM
The heavy magnum powders need to be confined to a small space until they really start burning to get the best ignition. Hence, the heavy roll crimp.

ArchAngelCD
November 12, 2009, 02:37 PM
Great to hear you found the problem and you can really enjoy shooting your gun.

H110/W296 are hard to ignite ball powders which require a Magnum primer and heavy crimp. (as you found out) The heavy crimp gives the powder time to build pressure before the bullet is released allowing the powder to burn properly and more importantly, burn at the same rate from round to round. Your SD numbers must have been all over the place before and probably much closer now.

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