[danez71]

Hello...
I see the "new" release date is early 2010.

I'm not really familiar with Charter Arms so of course I have questions

Does Charter Arms put out decent stuff?

Does anyone have any spec's for size and height of these rimless revolvers?

I dont want moon clips.

Thanks in advance for any info.

[gunnutery]

Man, you beat me to it, I was just going to start a thread with the new touted release date.

http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Firearms_products.html

I've never shot a Charter Arms before, I haven't seen anyone really bashing them. I have a feeling that as long as this rimless revolver does well, it'll be a big boost for the company. From what I've read there will be no need for moon clips, which I don't want either. I'm going to hold out for good reviews and the .40S&W version. I think they were originally talking 9mm would be first, but don't quote me on that.

[mgregg85]

Sounds interesting.

[calaverasslim]

I have a 3" Bulldog in 44 special and I trust it all the way, I use it for carry.

Loaded with GDHP's and STHPs. Light, with Pachs on it, very handy, and I find it very reliable.

Just waiting for the new one for the 40 to come out.

[mesinge2]

I'd want one in 9mm to back-up my Beretta 92 and one in .45 ACP to back-up my Colt 1911.

[tekarra]

I am waiting to have a look at the 9mm.

[AJChenMPH]

I keep going back and forth over whether to wait for this or get the Taurus 905 with the moonclips. They both have their pros and cons.

This post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5691813&postcount=63) from this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=445209) has more info.

[gunnutery]

I checked some other sources to see which caliber they'll introduce first. According to the info from their first ads, it'll be the .40S&W they release first.

[earlthegoat2]

Im waiting for them to actually release it and quit moving the date back. Ive joked in the past that Charter has probably scuttled the project and didnt tell anyone. I will check it out IF it ever gets here but I wont buy one until I know it works.

[danez71]

I keep going back and forth over whether to wait for this or get the Taurus 905 with the moonclips. They both have their pros and cons.

This post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5691813&postcount=63) from this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=445209) has more info.
honest question....

whats the down side of no moon clips?

[mesinge2]

whats the down side of no moon clips?

Slower reloads because there are no 9mm speedloaders, and perhaps the charter will not extract perfectly.

[AJChenMPH]

^^^ -- that. Plus:

You should see how fast one can reload with the short 9mms and moonclips. A short snub nose with a short ejector rod will fully eject a moonclip of fired 9mm very quickly.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5546126&postcount=14

[mesinge2]

Sorry, to resurrect an old thread, but I did not want to post a new one.

Has this been released yet?

I can't find one

[joed]

Three years ago I bought a new Charter Arms Bulldog for $302. To sum it up it is the worst gun I had ever seen. The cylinder barely turned, it shot 11" left and 11" low at 10 feet. It shaved jackets. When I would open the cylinder jacket material will fall out. The only way you could use the gun for self defense was to throw it at your attacker and run, I guarantee they couldn't shoot and hit you with that gun.

I took it home, cleaned it and sold it on consignment. And never looked back. Charter Arms needs to go out of business period. They sell junk.

[mesinge2]

Three years ago I bought a new Charter Arms Bulldog for $302. To sum it up it is the worst gun I had ever seen. The cylinder barely turned, it shot 11" left and 11" low at 10 feet. It shaved jackets. When I would open the cylinder jacket material will fall out. The only way you could use the gun for self defense was to throw it at your attacker and run, I guarantee they couldn't shoot and hit you with that gun.

I took it home, cleaned it and sold it on consignment. And never looked back. Charter Arms needs to go out of business period. They sell junk.

Maybe, I won't get one. :what:

[AJChenMPH]

When was that Bulldog made? I've read that there was a period when Charter wasn't producing quality pieces, but I've also read that they've since moved past that.

[rcmodel]

There have been several periods like that, and several times they have moved past that.

It's "Never Again" for me.

rc

[78CJ5]

I also wish they would just release them and quit moving the date back!

[NG VI]

How do you think the ejector is going to work? I'm guessing it uses the mouth of the case instead of the rim area.

[FoMoGo]

The case mouth?!?!?!


Jim

[mesinge2]

Maybe it will be like a Smith & Wesson model 547

http://www.vintagepistols.com/range_report_S&W_547.html

[tekarra]

They will probably not be released until the patent issue is settled. As I understand, the extractor is similar to that used by Ruger, hence the patent issue.

[dom1104]

Not interested. Another Cheap american company.

Life is too short for shoddy guns. I heard they were affiliated with Hi-Point but that might have been just a rumor.

[David E]

They will probably not be released until the patent issue is settled. As I understand, the extractor is similar to that used by Ruger, hence the patent issue.

Ruger used moon clips.

The S&W 547 used a springed extractor arrangement, tho, which sounds closer to what the CARR is supposed to be.

[John Wayne]

I heard they were affiliated with Hi-Point but that might have been just a rumor.

Please do not insult my Hi-Point :evil:

[NG VI]

Yeah I guess a springed extractor would be much easier and simpler than trying to machine the extractor into a case-long device machined into each chamber all the way to the case mouth.

That 547 has a pretty ingenious design, I wish there were more of them around.

[oldfool]

what rcmodel said

Charter has, at times, been well regarded, and other times not
it is a "name" brand that has been passed from hand, to hand, to.... well

I therefore don't know what to think about them
So, my "solution" is to not think about them
it's a shame, but it is what it is
caveat emptor

[dogngun]

I had a Bulldog .44, probably the worst revolver I have owned over the last 45 years.

I keep hearing good things about Charter's .38 Spl snubs, but have never shot one, and for the money I'd get a Rossi. Used Smiths seem to be out of my price range now, and used snub Colts have been too expensive for about 10 years.

You could take a look at the Armscor revolvers for an inexpensive .38 Spl (Centerfire Systems has them in 2" and 4".)
Taurus used to make a rimless snub revolver and discontinued them for lack of sales. I have seen them in 9mm and .45 ACP, but not for several years.

mark

[Jonah71]

I've been thinking about buying the Charter Arms .357 PUG. But I wanna shoot one first. The guy I buy most of my guns from says he'll order one for me, but I'd be better off (if I'm going cheap) to spend a few $ more for a Rossi/Taurus. Wish I had my old Dan Wesson back. It was a POS, but only because the guy who gave it to me never cleaned it, left it in the floor of his pickup under the seat. I got rid of it in '86.

[tekarra]

Ruger made a model that used a spring that engaged the rim for extraction. As I recollect it was an export model. The extractor was quite different from that of the 547. However I have only seen a photo of this extractor and have not had opportunity to examine one first hand. I am quite familiar with the Ruger Speed Six and the S&W 547, owning several of each.

[Nasty]

I've one of the new production Charter Pugs...it is not as finely finished as a S&W bit *is* fully serviceable as a carry gun. No issues with it at all firing Speer 200gr JHP, acceptable groups quickly at 15 yds or slow at 25.

[Play Hard]

So, I take it that there is no new news about the CARR's. I think I read somewhere they will have the light aluminum frames. I sure would like to get one in 9mm.

[joeq]

I like the idea of the CARR, and would love to have it in 40 S&W. I would have to wait and see if the spring extractor functions as they say. I'm sure they'll be selling these a lot faster than they can build them.

[gunnutery]

I've been checking the Charter Arms website about once a month since its introduction of the CARR in 2008, and at least once a week during 2010 as under their products section they claimed that the CARR would be "available in early 2010."

This week they upgraded their website however apparently downgraded the availability of the CARR...by removing all mention of it. They no longer have a products page and in stead of it, have a drop down menu including "new for 2010" in which the CARR is not accounted for.[/update]

I've never been a big fan of Charter Arms but I was definately impressed when they said they had developed a revolver that would accept rimless cartridges on an affordable price schedule. Thus I've been faithfully checking their website in anticipation of perhaps procuring one someday. In return, Charter Arms has been faithfully disapointing by failing to produce the one revolver that could truely put it on the map.

[mesinge2]

I have checked often as well and been disappointed as well.
I have never owned or fired a charter, but this CARR would have changed that; I wanted to purchase the CARR in 9mm and perhaps in 45 ACP.

[Nasty]

The economy is tanked everywhere...not surprising that CA is feeling it as well. I'm more than satisfied with my CA .44 Pug and will wait for the new model.

[tekarra]

That is a disappointment. Either they lost on the patent issue or felt it was not worth the continued effort.

[Nicodemus38]

as of 2 months ago there was a press release availiable online via a google search utilizing "charter arms" 'rimless revolver" "release date".

it was summed up as "we have the complete item designed and patented and ready to be made. but at this time it is not econimically viable to produce due to being maxxed out on orders, and to produce any new design would require reduction of machinery to make current orders. not good for business. "

supposed to be released when their current production capacity exceeds their current product demand by i believe a 10 percent margin.

[Nasty]

It sounds to me that not only is the current CA making firearms to the quality they have always desired, but now also have the means and business sense to stick to a growth plan that will work. This promises only good things to come! :D

To promote the new models, get out and grab a .44 Special Pug now...let's push them past their growth point so they are forced to grow and bring out the new models we really want!

[mesinge2]

I thought posting new thread on this topic was not necessary, but I was curious as to any new information about this revolver actually being produced. I figure there are people on here more tuned in to the "gossip" than I, and I'll ask what they've heard.

[hardluk1]

CA current handguns are back in family hands and they build a solid firearm. Some folks have charter or charter 2000 that can be junk. Not so with current guns. And the company will deal with what problems do come up. Remember even over price S&W's and Ruger have problems that should not happen at those cost. I have a 13oz ultra lite undercover and have run around 400 rounds through it . It is one of my carry guns.

[danez71]

Looks to be worse vaporware.


I was excited about the prospect of a small light 9mm revolver with out moon clips and was following the multi delayed release. I think it was in the 2008 SHOT show... maybe 2009 :confused:.

Delay after delay. ...supposed patent issue with S&W.... supposedly worked past that.... supposed factory working at max capacity with existing product due to the gun scare. Next spring... next summer... 1st half of next year....

But sadly, now, Charter Arm has removed everything off their website about.

Seemed like a lot of people wanted it.

I can only assume the extraction system wasnt working as desired.... but I have no idea.

[WC145]

They removed all signs of this gun from their site months ago, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Ron James]

I don't want to bash Charter Arms, I have no ideal of the quality of the new company. As far as I'm concerned to be burned once is life, to be burned twice with the same thing is just stupidity. Charter is at the top of my no buy list. now granted, this is the result of my interaction with one of the old Charters ( NIB ), but once burned twice shy

[hardluk1]

Good thang you did not buy and get one of the many s&w, taurus or ruger with the problems they had. And they are under the same company people running it. There would be nothing left.

[Play Hard]

Dang, I was looking forward to getting a CA 9mm revolver too. Has anybody got good things to say about the Taurus 905 9mm revolver? Can these be used without the clip (use a pencil to eject)?

[mesinge2]

Dang, I was looking forward to getting a CA 9mm revolver too. Has anybody got good things to say about the Taurus 905 9mm revolver? Can these be used without the clip (use a pencil to eject)?

Here's are some threads on the subject:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=201557

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=482069&highlight=905

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=546732&highlight=905

[Shovelhead]

I sent Charter Arms an email yesterday inquiring about the release for the CARR.

Will be released next week

Lissa McCarthy
National Sales Manager
281 Canal Street
Shelton, CT 06484
Toll Free: 866-769-4867
Phone: 203-922-1652
Fax: 203-922-1469
lissa.mccarthy@charterfirearms.com

[WC145]

And still no mention of it anywhere on their website? I'll believe it when I see it.

[Shovelhead]

I asked last night if all calibers would be available immediately, or one at a time.........



Her reply:

one at a time- .40 first

Lissa McCarthy
National Sales Manager
281 Canal Street
Shelton, CT 06484
Toll Free: 866-769-4867
Phone: 203-922-1652
Fax: 203-922-1469
lissa.mccarthy@charterfirearms.com

[tekarra]

I hope Miss Lissa is correct. Would like to see the 9mm first. What about a southpaw?

[Shovelhead]

I'm waiting for the 9mm also.

[mesinge2]

I want one in 9mm and 45 acp

[10mm Mike]

Does anyone know if there will be any variation with the models (other than caliber)?

For instance, are there going to be some with longer barrels and adjustable sights, or are they all going to be snubbies with fixed sights?

[Shovelhead]

Send Lissa an email.
She usually responds within 24 hours.

lissa.mccarthy@charterfirearms.com

[whitecoyote]

I'll believe it when I see it.
+1 :uhoh:

[Fargazer]

I just reviewed the GunTalk podcast (1/16/2011) (http://guntalk.libsyn.com/guntalk-2011-01-16-part-c) where a Charter Firearms person discussed what they were going to present at SHOT (first half of the podcast). No mention at all concerning the CARR; it concentrated on colored pistols only.

If I don't hear anything from this SHOT show, or on the Charter website by the end of the month, I'll chuck the CARR in the VaporWare bin.

[Hondo 60]

Charter has had too many periods of good & bad.

I bought an Undercover .38 spl new in July 2009.
That is the worst example of workmanship I've ever seen in a gun.

I will not buy another CA.

By the way, the "rimless" has been "coming soon" for 3 years now.
They keep on missing their target date & moving it out another 6-9 months.
I figure maybe eventually they'll actually make one, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[bdb benzino]

I just looked at the Gunblast site, as they are showing new guns from media day at the Shot show, and half way down the page is a Charter Arms Pitbull in 40 S&W. Its finally here!! Cant wait for the 9mm to hit!

[KevininPa]

I saw that! I hope the .45 will be out soon!

[whitecoyote]

Yes, it's there. Can't wait to see one in person.
http://gunblast.com/SHOT_2011_0.htm