Gun cleaning question: does-it-all bore solvents?


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Col. Plink
November 10, 2009, 05:13 PM
Hey y'all,
Ordered some Montana Xtreme (I know, goofy name) bore solvent off Midway as it was 2-4-1; claims to be good for non and corrosive ammo residues, as well as a protectant. If so, what a huge shot in the arm it will be for me to have ONE cleaning regimen for all my arms and ammo types!

So are their claims true?
Any experience with this stuff?

Thanks!

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257WM_CDL-SF
November 10, 2009, 06:07 PM
I use Butches bore shine or sweets 7.62 But i always after cleans run 2 patches with break free clp down the bore to protect it.

wally
November 10, 2009, 07:12 PM
Hot water is a lot cheaper than any all-in-one to clean corrosive salts. I swab with Hoppe's, run a brush through, then if ammo is corrosive flush with hot water, then more Hoppe's followed by a coat of Break-Free CLP. Same for all guns except the hot water is left out if I don't shoot corrosive ammo.

--wally.

Col. Plink
November 12, 2009, 04:15 PM
So I guess the answer is "no sir, we haven't heard about that one."

nulfisin
November 12, 2009, 05:18 PM
Wally is correct. By the way, the ingredients listed on the side of the bottle will tell you more than a brand name. Whether it's cheaper or not, you should rinse with hot water AND use a good corrosive cleaner. I know that from a slightly different context, black powder guns. The same principle applies.

CoRoMo
November 12, 2009, 05:35 PM
Col... let me be the first to actually answer your question.

I've been using Montana Xtreme for a year or so now. Mainly by accident, because my wife saw some bottles on the clearance rack and knew well enough to buy them.

It is a very good solvent with one heck of an odor; painful actually. I imagine that it would also protect as advertised, but I haven't given it a chance to do that. I dry every surface that it is used to clean, then I'll either apply nothing or something along the lines of RIG, CLP, or oil. Just habit.

It is one good solvent though.

JohnBT
November 12, 2009, 07:26 PM
What he said, it works, but it'll remove your nose hair and take the paint off the walls if you use it in a small room. Good for heavy copper though.

I like Butch's.

John

257WM_CDL-SF
November 12, 2009, 08:19 PM
Butches is good stuff but then again never used Montana extreme

Max C.
November 13, 2009, 04:58 AM
Montana Extreme and Sweets both contain high amounts of ammonia IIRC. Ammonia works really well on copper fouling.

Col. Plink
November 13, 2009, 12:18 PM
Ah, cat piss in a bottle! And to think I paid $3 for it!

Glad to hear it's good stuff. Finally a cleaner I can do normal treatment with on all arms, for all ammo. I have two tins of Tokarev and 8mmMauser that will giving this stuff a workout!

jcwit
November 13, 2009, 12:29 PM
I use it, I like it, It does what it claims. Nuff said.

panrobercik
November 13, 2009, 02:51 PM
I recently switched to Bore Tech Eliminator. It does exactly what Montana does WITHOUT the bad smell.

ms6852
November 14, 2009, 12:26 AM
I am the cheap kinda guy I use diesel or kerosene, been doing it for 35 yrs.

proplinker
November 14, 2009, 12:35 AM
Try it and ALL other solvents. and then you can help the rest of us! As you can read we don't know

raindog
November 14, 2009, 01:52 AM
I'm another Butch's guy.

For shooting corrosive ammo (in milsurp rifles), I usually bring a bottle of windex and a bottle of water to the range. After shooting, I remove the bolt and spray it with windex, then pour some down the barrel. Household ammonia would work just as well. After a little while, I flush it out with water. You don't want the ammonia to sit indefinitely.

I know someone who plugs his bores with a rubber plugs, fills with ammonia, and lets sit for a while, then removes the plugs and flushes with water.

Anyway, ammonia or windex + water is probably all you need for cleaning corrosive ammo. All you're doing is flushing away the salts.

When I get home, it's Butch's and then protecting with Ballistol for the bore and RemOil for the the bolt.

joed
November 14, 2009, 09:06 PM
I tried Hoppes and some sort of bore paste for years. The last 5 years I've switched to Sweets and Kroil Oil. Clean first, then oil.

50 Shooter
November 14, 2009, 10:33 PM
Another Boretech Eliminator user here, works as well if not better then the products with ammonia on the market. The upside to it also is that you can use it indoors and not kill yourself from the smell.

Slip2000 makes a good carbon remover called Carbon Killer, used together they both do a great job of getting all the crud out of your barrel and receiver.

The only thing better to remove copper is getting some 26% aqueous ammonia and mixing in a cap full of dishwashing liquid to about a quart of the AA. The down side is that you need to be in a well ventilated place, wear gloves rated to keep the AA from eating them and wear safety glasses. The upside is that it will remove every last speck of copper fouling from your barrel.

ChileRelleno
November 15, 2009, 01:37 AM
There is no, 'One Bottle Does It All solvent'.
Powder, Carbon, Copper, Lead, Wad/Plastic, Moly & whatever else.
Not even the ol'workhorses, Hoppes #9 or Ed's Red, come close.
Solvents are tools, and ya need the right tool for the job.
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For general purpose cleaning, I now swear by KG's, KG-1 Carbon Remover & KG-12 Bore Cleaner/Copper Remover, and I will be trying their oil soon too.
This is good stuff, try it.
The KG-1 takes carbon off fast, especially off my AR's bolts/bolt carriers, no scraping required, powder fouling is like oil and water, it just floats off.
The KG-12 eats copper like my kids eat chocolate, see this test, http://www.frfrogspad.com/cleaners.htm

I still keep a quart of Hoppes #9 and a large bottle of Windex w\ Ammonia, for cleaning up after corrosive milsurp ammo.
Before I leave the range I thoroughly flush with the Windex and then run a Hoppes soaked patch thru, that holds till I finish at home.
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***Be very careful with ammonia based copper removers and chromed barrels, you can ruin chrome with a quickness.***

OhioChief
November 15, 2009, 11:22 AM
I've gone through about everything I've ever seen on the shelves, and now only use Breakfree CLP. no odor, works great on everything, pretty cheap considering how good it works. Keep a couple big spray cans on hand always.

Col. Plink
November 23, 2009, 11:16 AM
Can you dissolve corrosive salts with Breakfree CLP? I thought it would not (?).

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