Surplus 54 R and 8 MM ammo in the future


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nathan
November 11, 2009, 01:58 AM
Let say in 10 yrs from now, the 8 mm from Euro stockpile could be all gone . A lot of the mauser rifles will be back in the market. Unless u reload or have ample supply now, then u are good to go.

But for the Russian 7.62 x 54 R , I guess it be more of the same. ITs currently in production by the Russkies but it could be change. Best way is stockpile now or never .

For the common ones like 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 NATO , looks like they are gonna be around indefinitely.

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NCsmitty
November 11, 2009, 09:47 AM
Common sense will tell you that the window of some cheap surplus ammo continues to shrink, and if you want to shoot much into the future, you'll learn to reload. Only if the prices get high enough to make it profitable, would any ammo company tool up for production of a depleted caliber.



NCsmitty

wally
November 11, 2009, 09:56 AM
Only if the prices get high enough to make it profitable, would any ammo company tool up for production of a depleted caliber.

When the surplus is gone, if there is money to be made by making it, it'll get made. That is the beauty of free markets and why the "war on drugs" is doomed to failure.

For the common ones like 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 NATO , looks like they are gonna be around indefinitely.

In 1945 you'd have said that about .303 Brittish, .30-'06, and 7.62x54R

There is little worry about companies like Starline at least producing reloadable brass.

--wally.

rangerruck
November 11, 2009, 11:32 AM
x54 is made new by more than just a few companies/countries, so I am not worried about that. I would also guess that x54 ammo, is so stockpiled in ammo dumps, owned by former/current russian generals, all over russia, that whenever they need a little hookerdough, they just open up the doors, and sell a few pallets worth.

hawmanai
November 11, 2009, 06:30 PM
I expect more import restrictions by the US and UN to further reduce surplus arms and ammo.

Found this in a article dated 2006;
Worldwide, the United States has provided more than $27.5 million to destroy approximately 900,000 small arms and light weapons and more than 80 million pieces of ammunition in 25 countries, a record of assistance unmatched by any other nation.

ChronoCube
November 11, 2009, 07:23 PM
Sigh. It goes to show that the Washington elites would rather destroy ammo than put them into the hands of American civilians.

Ignition Override
November 12, 2009, 01:40 AM
hawmanai:

I stumbled onto a website last spring which described a Euro/UK organization which spends huge sums of taxpayer pounds and Euros for destruction.
Have no idea what the name is, but they try to stop the supply of eastern Euro AKs and ammo from going to African tribal, insurgent armies.
The latest country to destroy Lee-Enfields, Brens etc + their ammo, is South Afrika.
We can all imagine criminals hiding WW2 bolt action rifles under their t shirts as they mug you or enter a liquor store in Johannesburg, or way up in Nigeria. They also accept European taxpayer funds to shred surplus rifles.
Speaking of which....

wally: before seeing your comments, my impression was that this might partly explain why so many original Lee-Enfield #4s and #5s in good-very good condition are for sale at small, modest gun shows
(i.e. Memphis, with two seen at Batesville, MS last July: one was bought :)). Now learning to reload.

evan price
November 12, 2009, 03:39 AM
Well, what army is using 7.92x57 any more, and how long have they not been using it? Pretty much by the Korean War 8mm was being phased out even in small countries. Nobody is making anymore of it and what is left is getting more and more decrepit.

At least x54r is still an issue caliber and will be around until they phase it out. .308 is still around, but honestly I see it may go away in the next decade to be replaced by the next up and comer like a 6.5 or 6.8 caliber.

When Century had 8mm for five cents a round shipped I loaded up. The rule of surplus is "Buy it cheap and stack it deep". It is surplus, after all.

Pretty much commercial ammo will still be around- that includes .303, 8mm, 7.7 Jap, whatever. It will just cost at least $1 per shot. So learn to reload and save the Boxer brass. I'm getting quite a pile of good Boxer 8mm brass.

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