Price check on FN SCAR


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Jsig29
November 12, 2009, 02:22 PM
Hey guys,

after asking some of you about a FN scar I saw in my local GS for $3100, and you guys expressed the price is ridiculously high. I agree, hence I began shopping around and found another shop that quoted me for $2600 however, he did say there is a 2-6month on the gun as FN is behind or having some production issues with their workers. What do you guys think of this price? I appreciate all your help. Thanks.

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Avenger29
November 12, 2009, 02:28 PM
Better, but I'd call around to some of the retailers that tend to offer better prices and see if I could get it down some more, and see if I could squeeze the absolute best price down. You may have to wait, you may have to pay to have it transferred.

I'd also do everything I could to get a chance to shoot one before buying, because you may not like it after all.

The unfortunate thing is I have no clue about where to look for a SCAR and who the major retailers (i.e., online) are for that kind of thing.

2and a quarter
November 12, 2009, 08:04 PM
I felt one up this past weekend at a gun show here in knoxville tn. It felt quite different from an AR for me. Felt lighter but bigger and sluggish, is the best way I could describe it. It was a 16s, new never fired, "on sale" $2199.

Avenger29
November 12, 2009, 08:09 PM
I felt one up this past weekend at a gun show here in knoxville tn. It felt quite different from an AR for me. Felt lighter but bigger and sluggish, is the best way I could describe it. It was a 16s, new never fired, "on sale" $2199.

Compared to what others seem to want, that's a good price.

Jsig29
November 12, 2009, 08:09 PM
This will be my first rifle. Do you feel it's worth the money, and do you feel it's something you would get used to and enjoy? For the money, I want to make sure I love it. The guy the local GS basically said " it's the gun to have" and made I like it's the best rifle out. What are your thoughts? Any other reccomendations besides this rifle?

Avenger29
November 12, 2009, 08:14 PM
The guy in the gunstore is selling you a rifle. He doesn't care about how much you enjoy it, he's just trying to move an expensive rifle! It has not yet been proven to be and probably won't be the pinnacle of rifle development like the dude in the gunstore thinks it will be. Once you're out the door, he's got your money.

I think you should hold onto your wallet and see if you can get some trigger time on some different rifles before throwing down some cash. And by trigger time, I don't mean a magazine or two. I mean finding a friend or someone you know and telling them "If you bring your rifle(s), I will bring the ammo" and shoot as much as you can.

gondorian
November 12, 2009, 08:14 PM
Jsig29, what other firearms experience do you have? Is this your first gun or just your first rifle?

Jsig29
November 12, 2009, 08:22 PM
I've shot many guns, settled with a sig 220 elite stainless this week, thy is the first gun I owned, as I lived lived in new York where everything is prohibited. This will be my first rifle, and the only other rifle I shot was a m16 they had at the range. All they had was that and an AK 47. BTW, I'm a decent shooter with a pistol, but the m16 was insanely hard to shoot.

Avenger29
November 12, 2009, 08:25 PM
and the only other rifle I shot was a m16 they had at the range. All they had was that and an AK 47. BTW, I'm a decent shooter with a pistol, but the m16 was insanely hard to shoot.

Are you talking a "full auto/3 shot burst" M-16 or a semi-auto only AR-15? Most find the AR easy to shoot accurately.

You need practice, lots of practice to become a proficient rifle shooter. I suggest above all else, a .22 rifle of some sort. I particularly like the CZ 452 series, and I also enjoy my Ruger 10/22.

Master the .22 rifle, then move onto centerfire.

Jsig29
November 12, 2009, 08:28 PM
I'm Actually on the way there now. Should I rent the AR again, or the AK... I'm thinking the AK won't give me as good of a feel of what I want. Also, how many rounds should I shoot?

Avenger29
November 12, 2009, 08:35 PM
I'm Actually on the way there now. Should I rent the AR again, or the AK... I'm thinking the AK won't give me as good of a feel of what I want. Also, how many rounds should I shoot?

I encourage you to try an AK, too, but I favor the AR-15.

I'd encourage at least 70-100 rounds or so through an AR-15, and take your time and get settled down with it. Rest it if possible off sandbags or similar. Have the range officer help you, ask him/her about good basic shooting technique for a rifle if you don't know it. Most people rent a rifle to blast with rather than for accuracy- pleasantly surprise the range staff by being an exception to the rule.

Mags
November 12, 2009, 09:22 PM
It costs too much for a gun that looks like a fish.

Gelgoog
November 12, 2009, 09:42 PM
I might buy one once they get around to the $1600 range. For now I could get a real nice DSA SA58 with an Eotech for that kind of scratch.

Jsig29
November 13, 2009, 12:22 AM
How long so you think it will be until they get cheaper than $2,000 ?

Avenger29
November 13, 2009, 12:27 AM
How long so you think it will be until they get cheaper than $2,000 ?

Could be a few months, could be never. The SCAR may be relegated to redheaded stepchild status. One can never tell.


Hey, how did your range session go?

Quiet
November 13, 2009, 10:31 AM
FN SCAR-16S MSRP = $2500.
If it is selling for over that amount it's because of dealer markup due to supply/demand.

skwab
November 13, 2009, 10:43 AM
Jsig - I just think for less money you can set yourself up with a really nice AR system, add a nice optic like an eotech, and have plenty left over for spare mags and ammo. The SCAR seems to be a nice rifle - never shot one, but for the money I'm just not sure its worth it - especially hovering around the 2300-2500 range (and definitely not at 3K!) But, at the same time - you've shot an AR - you've held the SCAR, if that's what floats your boat don't settle for something less because you'll just be disappointed. But if you're looking for a reliable rifle that is versatile, then you'll be able to find what you want in an AR for less. Good luck! And most importantly be safe and have fun.

Shear_stress
November 13, 2009, 11:03 AM
Jsig - I just think for less money you can set yourself up with a really nice AR system, add a nice optic like an eotech, and have plenty left over for spare mags and ammo.

Yeah, for $2600 you could buy two Colt 6920s and have plenty left over for magazines and ammo. Not knocking the SCAR, but I just don't think the price of admission buys that much more rifle. Diminishing returns, I suppose.

ny32182
November 13, 2009, 11:11 AM
They have definitely continued trending down in price recently. $2199 would be the single best price I've heard of yet. That has got to be at or below dealer cost.

The MSRP is 2500-2600... If we haven't hit the floor yet, there is very little room left to fall, without a cut in MSRP/dealer price as well.

Shear_stress
November 13, 2009, 11:39 AM
If we haven't hit the floor yet, there is very little room left to fall, without a cut in MSRP/dealer price as well.

MSRP ("manufacturer's suggested retail price") is not the same as dealer price. Once the ranks of the "gotta have it now" early adopters thin out, we'll see prices fall far below MSRP.

It's a neat rifle but nothing particularly revolutionary. Like other posters have said, it would take a significant price cut to get me interested.

HGUNHNTR
November 13, 2009, 11:44 AM
Also, not everyone working at a gunshop has bad intentions. They are humans and have plenty of opinions, just like you will find on here. Not every salesperson is trying to sell you the most expensive gun in the store, the majority do have your needs/wants in mind when making suggestions. It is not hard to see why this guy was so excited about showing you this rifle, it is cool, it is fairly hard to find, and it would provide you with a lifetime of fun and service for sure.

ny32182
November 13, 2009, 11:47 AM
Below MSRP, sure... we are already seeing that a little bit. It would never fall below dealer price though, wherever that is, and I'm guessing that is still north of 2K. I.e. we will never see these for 1600 without the factory cutting the dealer price.

Avenger29
November 13, 2009, 11:58 AM
Also, not everyone working at a gunshop has bad intentions. They are humans and have plenty of opinions, just like you will find on here. Not every salesperson is trying to sell you the most expensive gun in the store, the majority do have your needs/wants in mind when making suggestions. It is not hard to see why this guy was so excited about showing you this rifle, it is cool, it is fairly hard to find, and it would provide you with a lifetime of fun and service for sure.

I never said that every salesperson had his bottom line rather than your best interests in mind, but the guy JSig29 talked to sure doesn't seem to mind sprinkling some bull on the deal to sweeten it. Jsig posted another thread about the SCAR on more of this info, and the guy he originally talked to gave him a price of $3100.

I know of a few dealers who aren't out there to make every buck they can. Not coincidentally, most of those run their business as a hobby rather than a moneymaking enterprise. No doubt, they make money, but not as much as others.

The majority of gun stores I walk into, unfortunately, will freely throw the bull around in an attempt to get your cash. I don't trust them anymore than I trust a car dealer. They'll say anything and everything, and many times you may find the fervently believe their own bull.

Also, one of the factors that has kept costs up is that to get the SCAR, dealers had to order a bunch of FN products, too. So, getting a SCAR on the shelves means taking on a burden of P90s, FN handguns (which just aren't the hottest sellers, although generally well made), some FNARs, and I assume maybe an FS2000 or the odd shotgun.

Gelgoog
November 13, 2009, 12:33 PM
just look at how far MSARs have fallen in price. Once they flood the market enough a $3000 rifle could conceivably fall below $2000 in price. As a company FNH will continue to lower their prices until they see an increase in sales. Either that or they will do what they normally do, offer rebates to increase sales. If they were not getting any military sales, I suspect that the price would be lower by now.

Jaws
November 13, 2009, 06:16 PM
Here are few FN's in stock for $2450:

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semi4sale.cgi?read=222780
:)

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