Long Range Scope...Opinions needed?


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corey006
November 12, 2009, 08:38 PM
I have my choices nailed down to 3 scopes.

The 2.25x16 Bushnell Elite 6500 with DOA reticle

The Zeiss 4.5x14 Conquest with Rapid Z 800(or 1000)

Leupold VX3 4.5x14 with CDS.


I am leaning towards the Zeiss.....


I am pretty sure the CDS system works much like the Custom GreyBull Precision Leupold optic seen here...

YouTube - GreyBull Precision Long Range Hunting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MEzra4B1g)

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Harold Mayo
November 14, 2009, 04:01 PM
For a hunting rifle, I'd agree with you and take the Zeiss.

Maverick223
November 14, 2009, 04:54 PM
I would take the Zeiss for hunting or target, it is an excellent optic for the money. For hunting I would opt for the Rapid-Z 800 with capped turrets, for target use I would suggest the Rapid-Z 1000 with target turrets. :)

Sunray
November 15, 2009, 02:51 AM
For what cartridge? What rifle and use? High magnification scopes, even variables, have a much reduced field of view. They weigh more too. Ok for a target rifle, not for a hunting rifle.

corey006
November 15, 2009, 08:30 AM
7mm Rem Mag, 160 AB, 3000 fps.

Weight of rifle does not bother me.

4.5 power will be plenty of FOV @ 100 yards....something like 25 ft.

I feel confident out to 350 yards with my current rifle and scope set-up. Just want something that I am confident out to 500 yards with.....

cz85cmbt
November 24, 2009, 11:53 PM
I think the elite 6500 is the best high end scope, especially for price point. The doa reticle looks great for hunting. The 6500 are so crystal clear, and have the best magnification range and ability to focus crystal clear with the adjustable parallax. When doing a line line test to see clarity and definition they blow scopes with a much higher price tag away. The elites are from bausch and lomb under the bushnell name since bushnell bought them.

Maverick223
November 25, 2009, 12:16 AM
When doing a line line test to see clarity and definition they blow scopes with a much higher price tag away.I very much disagree, whilst certainly not apples to apples (but what you have chosen to compare), Premier Reticles and Schmidt & Bender (and undoubtedly Hensoldt as well) are much higher quality WRT glass quality, durability, and features. There is a reason that folks pay more for these optics. Whether they are needed or worth the premium is up to you to decide.

:)

cz85cmbt
November 25, 2009, 12:44 AM
often times those premiums are due to german labor prices not quality improvement, I was also referring to scopes such as the leupold vx7 and the zeiss conquest as well as the A line models for swarovski. These scopes are twice as much as the elite series line up and I have seen them in various tests and handled them side by side in adverse light conditions, and they don't do as well or they meet the quality level but at twice the price. A schmidt and bender I would hope to trump a scope that cost 2000 dollars less than it but I would not guarantee it. People pay extra for crap that doesn't work as well as other product all the time, just don't ask me to pay for it.

Maverick223
November 25, 2009, 01:00 AM
A schmidt and bender I would hope to trump a scope that cost 2000 dollars less than it but I would not guarantee it.I will; I have compared: PRH, S&B, Zeiss Diavari and Conquest (what I judge all others by), Swaro, Leupold VX-III, as well as Bushnell Elite 4200 in side by side comparison and can say without question that the PRH and S&B are the best scopes that I have looked through (I honestly couldn't tell any significant difference in glass quality, but the features and price swayed me to the PR). I later looked through Bushnell Elite 4200 and 6500s, and surprisingly found the 4200 to be slightly better. The Zeiss and Swaro are close WRT glass quality, but fall short in other areas.

I still maintain that the Zeiss Conquest is the best value for a medium-priced scope (especially for hunting applications), the lowest priced variable power model retails for about $400.00USD IIRC. OTOH I believe the Leupold VX-7 is over-rated and grossly overpriced, as is most of their line, the VX-III being the only possible exception. From my experience Bushnell make fine low-end optics (acceptable glass and fairly durable), but I believe there are better in the mid-range price.

:)

cz85cmbt
November 25, 2009, 02:36 AM
Hey I like zeiss all day long. Great customer service, very reliable, and great clarity. But to compare apples to apples, the 4.5-14x44 is 875 dollars from swfa, and the bushnell is 750 dollars. The bushnell is a 30mm tube vs a 25mm/1" tube, it goes all the way down to 2.5 and goes up to 16 power which is one of the most impressive power ranges in rifle scopes. The 30mm tube will allow for more adjustment and the greater power range makes it more versatile. Although I must compliment zeiss on making a great scope, at little more than 30 yards it could not clearly get smaller lines to show where the elite could. At greater distances reading license plates was nearly equal and dfinition and color contrast went slightly to the elite although the zeiss seemed to handle glare better. And I agree that leupold is over priced and really only leads the scope world in their customer service. Meopta and Valdada are other sleepers in and at this price range and also the burris euro diamond and black diamond while their signature selects are not worth the money. Weaver, Nikon, burris, and the elite line of bushnell are some of my favorites but I prefer to spend 300-400 for scopes and might stretch to 1000, but more price does not always equal better glass. I like to stick to facts not the subjective when judging equipment. I also feel the same about guns, there is only a couple guns I would even desire to own that are more than 1000 dollars. Think better money is spent shooting or reloading to improve the shooter rather than his gear. In other words I don't think a man with a 2800 dollar S&B can hit anything a man with a nikon monarch can't.

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