Greeks DEMAND The US Olympic Security Detail To Be UNARMED !!!


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David
November 6, 2003, 09:25 PM
Amazing !!!

from ap.org --

Mueller to Talk Security at Athens Visit

By PATRICK QUINN
Associated Press Writer
ATHENS, Greece

FBI Director Robert Mueller will likely discuss concerns about terrorist snipers and preparedness for a biological or chemical attack during talks this week with Olympic security officials.

Mueller, who arrived Thursday in Athens to review security preparations for the Aug. 13-29 games, also is expected to talk about a Greek refusal to allow the U.S. Olympic team's security force to carry weapons.

The decision on the weapons, confirmed by the head of an U.S. Olympic Committee delegation, came as American involvement in Olympic security expanded to involve the U.S. military - a sign of the growing concern over safety at the world's premier sporting event following the Sept. 11 attacks.

Greece's law enforcement minister, accompanied by senior intelligence, police and military officials, have just completed a two-day planning exercise organized by the United States at its European command headquarters in Germany.

"We have close cooperation and there are a group of officers from the FBI here. We are cooperating closely in the framework of preparing Olympic security," Greek police spokesman Col. Eleftherios Economou told The Associated Press.

He said Mueller will be briefed "on the course of Olympic security planning" during his two-day visit. On Friday, Mueller will honor Greek law enforcement officials for their role in the breakup of November 17, Greece's deadliest domestic terror group.

Besides concerns about snipers and chemical and biological attacks, Mueller's agenda also is expected to include talks about the danger posed by the constant flow of illegal immigrants into Greece through its porous northern borders and by sea from the Turkish coast to the east.

There are fears terrorists could use immigrant smuggling networks and routes to enter Greece ahead of the Olympics.

Athens is spending an unprecedented $775 million to protect the games. It is also working with a seven-nation advisory task force that includes the United States and Israel.

Security planning grew this week to include the U.S. military, which ran a simulated exercise at its headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, to help identify any gaps in Greece's preparations.

"The aim of the exercise was crisis management, on a political, strategic and operational level," according to the Public Order Ministry.

Although the United States has been working closely with Greece, the State Department plans to send at least 100 agents to help protect the 650 U.S. athletes who will take part in the Olympics.

Greece has demanded, however, that only its forces carry weapons during the Olympics.

At least two other nations, Australia and Israel, also reportedly plan to send security details, and the issue of whether foreign agents can carry weapons during the games has caused friction.

Herman Frazier, who is leading a five-day inspection visit by the U.S. Olympic Committee, said the U.S. "supplemental" security forces would have no firearms. He said it was the first time such a force was being sent to the Olympics.

"These people will not be armed," Frazier told the AP.

He said the U.S. delegation discussed security issues with Olympic organizers and U.S. officials based in Athens. He declined to give specifics.

"We feel people are on top of the (security) issues at hand," he said. "We have all the confidence in the world that these will be secure games."

Frazier said the members of the U.S. contingent have spoken with FBI officials, but will not meet in Athens with Mueller. The U.S. Olympic Committee members are scheduled to leave Greece on Friday.

He said the delegation also toured the Olympic Village, venues and practice facilities. Construction crews have been working around the clock to overcome serious delays that brought a sharp reprimand from the International Olympic Committee three years ago.

"They've made tremendous strides since I was last here in August," Frazier said. "And we feel the local organizing committee has done a good job and they should be prepared."

Last month, the IOC praised Athens for its progress, but said the schedule remains tight for several troubled projects, including new rail systems.

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litman252
November 6, 2003, 09:32 PM
what about the "assualt weapons" they use in the shooting sports?????
If the athelets have weapons, why not let the security forces?????????

Tony:rolleyes:

J Miller
November 6, 2003, 10:06 PM
Unarmed security forces are useless for anything except being targets.

Why bother sending them if they can't carry the obvious tools of the trade?

El Rojo
November 6, 2003, 10:08 PM
Yeah I wanna see them keep the Mossad from packing to this one. I don't think the Israelis will ever let another Munich from happening without at least a fight.

geekWithA.45
November 6, 2003, 10:27 PM
Why should they worry? After all, the State Will Protect Them!

{barffff....splatter....retch}

Archer
November 7, 2003, 02:26 AM
At the last Summer Olympic Games (Sydney) I was very pleased and rather proud to have a couple of US Secret Service guys around 24-7. (a few more showed up when Chelsea Clinton arrived to spectate in our competition venue).

While the Aussie SAS, NSW police, and other armed security forces were also there, I knew that if anything were directed at the US team we had our own people ready to deal with it.

Security in Australia is a little less problematic due to the remote nature of the place. (never mind the armed carjacking of some Korean officials that took place on the third day of competition about 900 meters from the competition venue...outside the prison at Homebush :scrutiny: )

Greece, on the other hand, is an absolute sieve, security wise, and a well known crossroads of international terrorists. (No flames, my mother is from Greece and I spent nearly every summer there and in other parts of Europe while growing up, through college. I know the place.)

I'm frankly not looking forward to next August- doubly so if those Americans in the dark shades talking into their shirt cuffs aren't armed.

Bob Wright
November 7, 2003, 05:12 AM
I don't blame the Greeks one bit. They've heard about Waco and Ruby Ridge. Would you allow armed FBI agents in our country if you had a choice?

dinosaur
November 7, 2003, 05:19 AM
Their house, their rules.

Kharn
November 7, 2003, 07:19 AM
I just want to know who is seriously going to tell the Israeli security team to disarm. And how quickly he gets laughed out of the room.

Kharn

Norton
November 7, 2003, 07:19 AM
Typical double standard....I wonder of the Greek diplomatic service has armed guards with them in the US:scrutiny:

Or like the UN security folks who get to have automatic weapons while here.....

I suppose it's because those crazy Americans might just go around shooting up Athens for kicks and giggles:banghead:

Master Blaster
November 7, 2003, 09:09 AM
I have to disagree with those of you who think this is OK.

Its not OK.

If President Bush went to Greece for a visit would the secret service be disarmed???

The answer is NO.

Are our Olympic Atheletes less important that the President, are their lives less valuable?

I would tell the Greeks, If we can't have our security WE AINT COMMING.

I think they would change their minds real fast.

Maybe a few years ago or in a different country this would be OK, but Greece is a terrorists paradise, and with 9/11 and IRAQ it aint worth it.

ksnecktieman
November 7, 2003, 09:57 AM
I agree. If we can not provide armed security for our athletes, we should withdraw.

BESIDES, if no americans can be armed we will loose in the speed eating contest, we all know that Rosie Odonnell will not go without her ARMED security.

(Blondes? for your information, only the second part of this is a joke:) )

Werewolf
November 7, 2003, 10:09 AM
As one man said "Their house - their rules"....

So do we have to play.

Speaking just for myself and having spent not a little time in the area if I were an US Olympic Athlete I'd just have to refuse to go if my security detail were to be disarmed. An unarmed security guy is useless.

I firmly believe that striking the US team at the Olympics would be something of a coup in the eyes of a mid-east terrorist. The whole world would see our impotence to protect our own. I'm giving even money that the Athens Olympics will be another Munich.

We boycotted the Russian Olympics maybe it's time to boycott another.

Kamicosmos
November 7, 2003, 10:38 AM
Yup....way too risky to see another munich.

The US needs to start withdrawing from the World scene in many ways. This should be our first withdrawal.

Archer
November 7, 2003, 11:12 AM
Speaking just for myself and having spent not a little time in the area if I were an US Olympic Athlete I'd just have to refuse to go if my security detail were to be disarmed.

I disagree with any Olympic Boycott. The only people truly affected by that sort of thing are those of us who spend years of effort and sacrifice to represent our country. If you were a US athlete you might have a different viewpoint. On the other hand many of us passed up a trip to Medellin Colombia this past summer because of the lack of security. Choices of this kind should be up to the athlete.

Bob Wright, do you go through a lot of money on tin foil for hats every year ???...:uhoh:

RobW
November 7, 2003, 11:33 AM
It was the rule in ancient Greece that no one joining the Olympics should be armed and all wars had to be ceased.

It didn't even work then!

Benjamin
November 7, 2003, 12:52 PM
Didn't the Israeli delegation bring in guns for their security detail under diplomatic seal some decades ago?

jason10mm
November 7, 2003, 03:18 PM
Did we allow armed security from other countries during the LA, Altlanta, or Salt Lake City Olympics? If we wouldn't let others come armed, I don't see why they would extend that courtesy to us. If we DID, then they ought to reciprocate. It's not like we could topple their government with 100 guys. This is Greece, home of the Spartans, not France...:p

longeyes
November 7, 2003, 03:38 PM
We can pass. And should. The Olympics have become a contest to see who can find the best performance-enhancing drugs anyway.

Gewehr98
November 7, 2003, 03:54 PM
I was under the impression that the Olympics had become nothing other than a venue for networks to fight over, and a major marketing coup for whichever corporation schmoozed the Olympic Committee hard enough to win sponsorship. :scrutiny:

RustyHammer
November 7, 2003, 03:59 PM
Unarmed ....
next they'll want
them without legs too.

Damn, those Greeks will stop at nothing
to win a Gold Medal! :scrutiny:

Drjones
November 7, 2003, 05:47 PM
1. What happened in Munich?

2. I find it funny that our govt. doesn't like being the victim of gun control and I'm surprised that more of you don't see it that way.

I say good for the Greeks!

Opa!!!

Boats
November 7, 2003, 07:15 PM
Given the latest steroid scandal, our contingent might only need four guards.:evil:

Kharn
November 7, 2003, 07:23 PM
DrJones:
Here's the first link I could find on Google: Click here (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Terrorism/munich.html)

Basically, bunch of Palestinians took ~10 Israeli athletes hostage. The German snipers screwed the pooch (they only expected 5 terrorists, and found out there were 8, there werent enough snipers to pull it off) and the crap hit the fan. The entire Israeli delegation was massacred during the fighting.

Kharn

KC
November 7, 2003, 07:54 PM
For people that live in the midst of history, these greeks seem astonishingly ignorant of it.

So much for "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their orders we lie."


Unless they want to go through that again...

Drjones
November 7, 2003, 10:02 PM
KC:

I'm Greek, have a lot of family back there, and have been there many times.

We Greeks are an interesting bunch. Take the most stubborn person you've ever met, multiply him by several times, and that's probably the most easygoing Greek you'll find. :D

Benjamin
November 7, 2003, 10:14 PM
how'd this get onto a second page without the obligatory

Molon labe

???

ninenot
November 7, 2003, 11:04 PM
We can send unarmed security and STILL not have problems; the Med. Fleet will be close by w/F-18As; we will have spyplanes and battle-guidance planes up; a battalion or several of Marines will be in cruisers in ports all over Greece; and we will have the Israelis, who WILL be armed even if the Mossad has to temporarily swallow its guns (retrieval is a bit messy) to get them in-country.

But I still don't like the plan.

ENC
November 7, 2003, 11:33 PM
Thank You Benjamin


MOLON freaking LABE!!!!

Double Naught Spy
November 8, 2003, 01:08 AM
If the Olympics are in Greece, then it is their call who gets to bring guns into their country. It was our call when the Olympics were here.

Balog
November 8, 2003, 01:26 AM
Archer: uhhh, are you denying that our wonderful fedgov slaughtered innocent civilians at Waco and Ruby Ridge? If so, then I'd wager most of the people on this board are deluded just like Bob Wright.

We can send unarmed security and STILL not have problems; the Med. Fleet will be close by w/F-18As;
I've never heard of an F-18 being used in a hostage or assassination situation before.

we will have spyplanes and battle-guidance planes up;
Close air support doesn't work too well when targets and friendlies are in the same room.

a battalion or several of Marines will be in cruisers in ports all over Greece;
I'm a Marine recruit and I love the Corps, but we can't respond in seconds. If some nut job opens up on a crowd, you wanna wait a few hours for the Marines to arrive?

and we will have the Israelis, who WILL be armed even if the Mossad has to temporarily swallow its guns (retrieval is a bit messy) to get them in-country.


And you think their primary concern is the safety of American athletes?


Your points are valid if a coup occurs. Otherwise they are pretty useless.

Archer
November 8, 2003, 03:00 AM
Archer: uhhh, are you denying that our wonderful fedgov slaughtered innocent civilians at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Certainly not. I know well what happened in those places.

Nor am I asking that we have Lon Horiuchi on hand in my competition venue performing protective services next summer, either.

But unless you too are walking around with U S A on the back of your competition uniform in a potentially dangerous foreign environment, perhaps you should not judge or tell me how I should feel about the armed presence of US Secret Service Agents in that specific situation.

Been there, done that, found it comforting.

(By the way, I don't recall any involvement of the USSS in connection with the incidents you mention. That's the trouble with using a wide brush when painting.)

Drjones
November 8, 2003, 03:04 AM
Just to play devil's advocate;

how would you feel if the govts of all the Olympic participants wanted to have heavily armed teams in the US?

Russia, yugoslavia, Greece, Turkey, etc.

tyme
November 8, 2003, 04:42 AM
drjones, that would be fine with me.

Everyone *should* be able to buy an mp5 or rem700 with no paperwork anywhere in this country. I dunno about letting any other country's entire security team into the venue with guns, but if there were a hostage situation, armed security teams from the affected country(s) ought to be nearby. If any country has particularly good snipers, the U.S. should clear them to be in the venue during the competition. Same should be done in Greece.

Did Israel have armed agents on-site during the SLC winter olympics?

JackShandy
November 8, 2003, 11:50 AM
I'm mostly with Archer here; I would like to see the actual participants make the call to withdraw if the U.S. security detail, in light of terrorist acts since 9/11, is to be disarmed.

By the way, Archer; how'd you do?

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