Is the Rem 700 descended from the Mauser 98, or...?


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raindog
November 13, 2009, 05:44 PM
What is the design heritage of the Remington 700...is it derived from the Mauser 98 design?

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highorder
November 13, 2009, 05:49 PM
Yes, in that the 700 has dual opposed locking lugs.

The differences may be greater than the similarities, but you have to start somewhere.

rcmodel
November 13, 2009, 05:57 PM
In that it is a bolt-action with a five round box magazine, yes.

The 700 descended from the Model 721 - 722 designed by a Remington engineer named Mike Walker in the early 1950's.

They were designed from the ground up using proven Mauser 98, Winchester Model 70, Remington Model 30 & other similar proven features.
But designed to be made on automatic lathes out of round bar stock with very little to no hand fitting required.

Prior to that, similar rifles were made out of forgings and milled metal hand fitted parts, which drove costs sky-high as wages improved after WWII.

The Model 721 - 722 was designed to be made cheaper then anything else then available, and it was so successful, but ugly, the improved & far better looking Model 700 sprang from the design.

rc

dirtyjim
November 13, 2009, 06:13 PM
the first mauser designs were pushfeed. then they got wise & dropped it for crf.

MetalHead
November 13, 2009, 07:17 PM
As I remember it earlier Remington bolt guns are derived from the Enfield P14/17, which drew much from the 98.

Ol` Joe
November 13, 2009, 07:19 PM
Weren`t the 721/722 spin offs of the 1903?
IIRC Remington based them off the 03 that they built for the military since the tooling was already on hand. The 700 was later a redesign.

R.W.Dale
November 13, 2009, 07:23 PM
Weren`t the 721/722 spin offs of the 1903?
IIRC Remington based them off the 03 that they built for the military since the tooling was already on hand. The 700 was later a redesign.

No

But the 721 thru 5 are quite closely related to the p14, m1917 lineage

nwilliams
November 13, 2009, 07:55 PM
A direct descendant? Maybe not, but the design characteristics of the original Mauser action can be found in almost any bolt action that came after.

MachIVshooter
November 13, 2009, 09:47 PM
In that it is a bolt-action with a five round box magazine, yes.

Exactly. That's about it. The M700 stands on it's own in terms of design. You can no more credit the mauser than a vetterli or carcano or............

dirtyjim
November 14, 2009, 09:15 AM
Exactly. That's about it. The M700 stands on it's own in terms of design. You can no more credit the mauser than a vetterli or carcano or............
most people have never looked at the bolt face on a 1871 mauser rifle or a 88 commision rifle, remington did & used it as the basis for their 700, the bolt head on the 1871 mauser & 88 commission rifles is similar to the remington 700, but uses more of a sako type extractor instead of the remington e-clip & has a plunger type ejector, although it is not spring loaded like a remington. the 1871, mauser, the 1888 commission rifle & the 1881 agrentine mauser also use the recessed bolt face that offers more case head support just like a rem 700.

rcmodel
November 14, 2009, 12:35 PM
Weren`t the 721/722 spin offs of the 1903? NO.
They had nothing in common with the 03-A3 or 1917 Enfield/Model 30 sporting rifle Remington made except they were all bolt-action rifles.

Think of the 721/722 as a 700 with a funky looking cheap stock.

rc

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