[natedog]

Right now, we're studying the Industrial Revolution in History with our propaganda minister (I mean teacher) Mr.... Well let's just call him Mr. X. Every single day he spouts nonesense...whenever he finds something to be "interesting" he basically goes on to say "Republicans are so stupid". "I hate Republicans". It was actually his stated goal to transform every student in the classroom into a Liberal/Democrat. And the sad thing is that it is quite possible that he'll succeed... I swear all of my classmates are the epitimy of sheeple...Now that that's out of the way... We are studying the British Enclosure Movement. Basically, wealthy landowners drove smaller farmers off of their land with superior numbers and firearms. (according to him) When these people immagrated to the United States, they wanted to make sure that they would be able to own guns to protect their land...thus the Second Amendmant. Since we are no longer 90% agricultural, this Amendmant is no longer needed. Comments?

[alan]

We don't need that sort of "teacher" either. Matter of fact, we would do a whole lot better without this "teacher", than we would without the Second Amendment.

As I grow older, I grow grouchier.

[Hkmp5sd]

The main reason for the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the citizens have the means to overthrow the government should the government stray from the Constitution. When writing the Constitution, the authors had just won the war against England and they were worried about the future of the government they were creating. The 2nd Amendment was written as the insurance policy in case those in power decided to take a different path.

It might be interesting to ask this teacher what happens if the government, in the process of deleting the 2nd Amendment, decides there are other parts that in their opinion are no longer needed and start removing them too. For example, the Founding Fathers never conceived of the Internet. So the government comes along and says that this open and endless source of information is just too dangerous for national security, so they are going to delete the 1st Amendment also.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

It is the "living document/times have changed" argument. I would respond that if the 2nd applies to muskets, then the 1st applies to letter presses.

The primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to turn back tyranny, you know, when government tells you what to do all the time...kind of like NOW

[Camel]

I feel your pain, been there and was thrown out of the classroom more than once.

Just keep explaining to him why he is wrong. Logic will ruin his power trip. Stay calm and be well informed. Keep your points simple. Nothing makes a teacher madder than a student that can prove he is a moron.

[gunsmith]

b4 you turn in your research,check for spelling errors!
http://www.guncite.com/
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/
http://www.packing.org/
Tell him all gun control is racist show him this!
http://www.law.ukans.edu/jrnl/cramer.htm
also try these
http://www.grnc.org/mary_carpenter_letter.htm
http://www.ccrkba.org/
http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/

Liberals hate it when you point out guncontrol is inherently racist.
here in CA guncontrol means rich white men may get carry permits
and poor Latino/Blacks may not!
see above ninehundred.com

[gunsmith]

it is common for liberal dolts to imagine the nat guard is the millitia.
that is so much rubbish!
tell him the 1st amendment has the "right of the people to peaceably assemble" in it and does this (in his opinion) outlaw peace demonstrations
as (like the nat guard millitia example) we have an assembly?

[Don Gwinn]

I'll never understand California. Teachers are more liberal than not here (I should know, I is one) but if a teacher in a public school were stupid enough to state aloud that his goal as a teacher was to convert students to his political party of choice, the school board would be in a race to fire him before the parents started throwing bricks.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

My civics teacher would make Reagan blush. He was a free-market capitalist, strict constructionist, all ahead, damn the torpedoes. He had no difficulty in explaining inalienable rights.

[alan]

GunSmith:

Gun Control is elitist too.

[James Bondrock]

When I was a high school senior in 1975-76, my American Government teacher told the class that the Second Amendment does not give individuals the right to own guns, only the National Guard. I knew he was FOS even then, but what could I do? In high school, the teacher is the authority figure.

[Mike Irwin]

Ask him whether or not we still need the 13th & 14th amendments...

If he says yes, ask him why?

Slavery hasn't been an issue in the country for over 100 years now, large plantations are gone, the industrial revolution has made machinery more efficient...

So why not just strip those amendments out?

[clange]

We are studying the British Enclosure Movement. Basically, wealthy landowners drove smaller farmers off of their land with superior numbers and firearms. (according to him) When these people immagrated to the United States, they wanted to make sure that they would be able to own guns to protect their land...thus the Second Amendmant.
Tell him clange said he's an idiot.

Its ok, i'll take the heat.

[Bill Hook]

they wanted to make sure that they would be able to own guns to protect their land...thus the Second Amendmant. Since we are no longer 90% agricultural, this Amendmant is no longer needed.

Two words: Asset Forfeiture

Two more: Eminent Domain

Who is this idiot kidding with the BS that those in power can't expropriate your property nearly at will?

[Wildalaska]

whenever he finds something to be "interesting" he basically goes on to say "Republicans are so stupid". "I hate Republicans". It was actually his stated goal to transform every student in the classroom into a Liberal/Democrat

Tape that and take it to your local Republican party leaders, go make some political hay with it...

WildorgototheschoolboardAlaska

[HBK]

As a teacher, I like WildAlaska's idea. The idiot doesn't deserve to be certified. Prove him wrong.

[jimpeel]

Two words: Asset Forfeiture

Two more: Eminent Domain
Two more: Spell Checker

http://www.waltonfeed.com/self/email/spelling.html

Owed two a Spell Chequer

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It came with my pea sea;
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it to say
Weather eye am wrong oar write -
It shows me strait aweigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long,
and eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it;
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh,
My chequer tolled me sew.
---Sores unknown

[El Tejon]

Ask him in which county was James Madison's farm in England.:rolleyes:

The Second Amendment comes from many sources: Biblical, Anglo-Saxon, English, Italian, and Scottish. Your teacher has not studied and does not know of what he speaks.

[ScottsGT]

Do EXACTLY what Wildalaska said, but send it or O'Rilley and Hannity. Expose this moron for what he is, and embarrase the school. But be ready to find another place to get edumicated!

[critter]

Without the 2nd, there would not be a 1st and then idiots like him would have no place to spew their vile, misguided, histroical-revisionist opinions.

[HankB]

I like Wildalaska's idea - tape your teacher's tirade and bring it to the attention of the GOP, O'Reilly, Hannity, or others.

Heck, maybe the local GOP can set you up with a hidden camera. :evil:

Anyway, when I was in high school, senior year I had a math teacher that tended to make left-wing monologs that took up a good part of the class. One day, after about 10 minutes into his speech, a bunch of us just turned away and started having our own conversation.

He objected, and told us "THIS IS A CLASSROOM!"

So we just asked, if this was a classroom, when he planned on starting class - after all, the name of the class was CALCULUS, not "cockamamie left wing propaganda" which is all he'd been spouting for the last ten minutes.

There were a few more verbal exchanges, which ended up with him shouting, and us asking him to please teach mathematics, since that's what the taxpayers were paying him for . . .

With poor grace,and after mouthing a few threats (which he knew he couldn't carry out - I mean, we only asked him to do his job, i.e., teach math) he started teaching again.

[DCR]

Teachers in every state are bound by a code of ethics as a condition of their licensure / certificate. Whether that code of ethics was created in the state, or adopted from the NEA, they almost universally have a prohibition against denying a student access to other viewpoints, or using school time or equipment for political purposes, or presenting the teacher's personal views as those of their employer, etc. Of course, the offending teacher can claim they were exercising "academic freedom," but blatant statements like those your teacher made completely undercut that argument.

See if your parent or another sympathetic adult (many states don't allow students to file complaints unless they involve sexual conduct or violence) can get some sort of corroboration of what you report your teacher saying, and have them file a complaint with the state professional standards board (or whatever it may be called in your state). Actions against a teacher's license, even if nothing comes of it, are strongly frowned upon by current and potential employers, and can drive a teacher out of that field rather quickly. A form of economic capital punishment, if you will.

The left discovered long ago that molding the minds of students at a younger age will eventually cause a larger overall adoption and acceptance of their views in society. We have to do whatever it takes to slow, stop and reverse this. Good luck.

DCR

[4v50 Gary]

I think your teacher must go back to learn European history. Peasants generally didn't own the land they farmed. The nobles and the church did. So, what land were they forced off of?

[alan]

James Bondrock:

I graduated High school in 1950, and even as far back as Junior H.S., when I found a teacher to be "blowing it", re factual matters, I politely called them on their error. There never were any consequences, except for one time.

The history teacher with whom I went round and round on a historical point, in the process disrupting his announced quiz in the second class period, later asked why I had made such a fuss, since I obviously was famniliar with the subject material, and the scheduled quiz would not have presented a problem for me.

I replied that I had "made a fuss" because the teacher was wrong, re matters of fact. He nodded, and nothing more was ever said.

[sm]

I can empathize.
I'm not always so subtle.
Remember, I'm the one whom handed a anti instructor a trigger-locked fire extinguisher and set a trash can on fire.

I mean, with your instructor's reasoning, one doesn't "even" need a fire extinguisher around the home/school/ office...we've become so "industrialized" and all...just dial 911 and wait for the fire trucks...

[cuchulainn]

Yes, do what Wild Alaska said. But if you have any buddies in the class (or who also have him for another class), make sure they will back you up -- one student is less credible than a bunch.

Too bad you couldn't get a video tape --- or could you?

[alan]

RE1973:

"trigger-locked fire extinguisher", trigger locked fire extinguisher, that's very good. By the way, where was the "key" hidden??

[hillbilly]

Since he is being blatant about it, ask him if he thinks there is any ethical problem with using his classroom to "convert" students a particular political veiwpoint?

And one more question. When you say "teacher" what do you mean? High school, college, private, public?


hillbilly

[WAGCEVP]

As long as there are people who want to rule over other, The Bill of Roghts - Article ll IS neccessary!


Tell your teacher his/ her first amendment right is no longer neccesary or wanted :)

[Smoke]

Teacher is a moron. You can't argue with morons.

Smoke

[Bill Hook]

Two more: Spell Checker

I suggest you know what you're talking about.

Please cut and paste my original text to Word and spell check.

Unless, of course, you mean the originator of this thread. He, unfortunately, is of the generation upon whom "outcome based" education was foisted; they probably don't teach spelling anymore, lest they hurt anyone's feelings. :rolleyes:

Natedog, it really helps your point, no matter how valid, to have it spelled correctly and to not mix synonyms and homonyms. If you don't know about your spelling, you do now. If you do, endeavour to spend time correcting a deficiency that can harm you later on, particularly on resumes, which ABSOLUTELY MUST be spelled correctly. Writing is a most crucial skill, since, no matter what the field, you must be able to communicate to succeed and no one will know what you know either. I mean neither to preach nor offend.

[Drjones]

So he hates Republicans and the 2A?

Ask him if he's sure he really wants GWB to be the only one with guns.

That should shut him right up.

And please begin referring to him as "comrade."

[standingbear]

how bout getting mr x a ticket to north korea,im sure he will fit in very nicly there.

[Standing Wolf]

Your so-called "teacher" needs to be brought to the attention of the local school board P.D.Q.

[Baba Louie]

natedog,

Your teacher errs in several regards if we're to take your original post verbatim, but specifically about the 2nd amendment,
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
is about being free and having the tools to do so. Its that simple.

Nothing to do with large or small landowners, everything to do with liberty vs. tyranny.

April 19, 1775, Concord Bridge, Paul Revere, One if by Land, Two if by Sea, "The British are Coming!", Shot heard Round the World... he's a history teacher, he should be able to figure out the rest. (if he needs a hint... the British troops were coming to disArm the populace)

As to being germaine today in this nation... there are several organizations who agree with him, the Democratic party being one of them, our last President being a major contributor to that philosophy...
[W]hen we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly…And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.
Bill Clinton would agree with your teacher. He was discussing disarming citizens living in public housing projects by unwarranted searches at the time I believe.

As to being a Democrat (as if thats always a bad thing), look at Zell Miller, Hubert Humphrey, John Kennedy, Harry Truman and read some of their quotes and thoughts. I don't always agree with all of them, but neither do I always agree with ALL Republican values.

Challenge him now and then... be certain of your facts... keep calm cool collected and civil in your discourse. Attempt to see two sides to any issue which is important to you and always remember that History is usually written by the winners and is later revised by those who feel guilty about that fact.

Enjoy your time learning. Its a lifelong hobby.

Adios

[Sean Cloherty]

Maybe these people can help:

http://www.noindoctrination.org/

It is mainly targetted at colleges but . . .I would email the specifics to

administrator@noindoctrination.org

and I might also enlist the folks at Front Page Magazine since they are sponsoring an academic bill of rights that targets just the type of bias of which you speak.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Contact/Contact.asp

[Drjones]

Good lord it makes me ill how the communists have taken over our country... :( :( :(