Kel-Tec sub 2000 pros/cons?


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CZ223
November 15, 2009, 10:35 PM
Okay, I was reading another thread that got me thinking, once again, about the Kel-Tec Sub 2000. You see, I am one of those guys who think it is a really good idea to have a rifle/pistol combo that uses the same ammo. It is even better if, in the case of semi-autos, they use the same magazines. Since I own a Glock 23 and a 32 with an extra barrel in 40S&W, the Kel-Tec sub 2000 in 40 S&W is a natural fit. If I had the money, and could find one, I would rather have an olympic AR-15 in 40 S&W with the lower that accepts Glock mags. I don't have the money and they are scarcer than hens teeth. The Kel-tec also has the advantage of being able to fold up and is more light weight.

I know that they have a pretty good reputation for being reliable but, how do they hold up over time? How is the accuracy of these things? I don't need a tack driver, I have plenty of those, but I also don't want another mini -14.:neener: So what do you guys who own them have to say. Also, if you have any recomendation for optics I would appreciate it. I would be looking for something like an aimpoint.

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DNS
November 15, 2009, 11:03 PM
I have the 9mm and I consider it to be a fun gun and accuracy is good. One thing that bugs me is that it won't lock open after the last round is fired. I'm also not thrilled with having a plastic front sight but it hasn't given me problems yet.
No jams so far after an estimated 500 rounds. My buddies always beg me to bring this one along for our range trips.

Mike

mgkdrgn
November 15, 2009, 11:12 PM
The only "cons" I am aware of is that they are in very short supply.

hounddog
November 15, 2009, 11:14 PM
Agree with above. Would add that the trigger is heavy and long. For the price, a nice gun. I for some reason fell in love with pistol cal carbines in 40. Have a High Point, Storm, Mech tech along with the sub 2k. I really enjoy them with a Gemtech Blackside.

junyo
November 15, 2009, 11:18 PM
Have had one for a few years. With quality mags and decent ammo (read the manual, don't use aluminium cased ammo, or anything super hot), the gun goes bang every time the trigger is pulled. Not a tackdriver, but will put a 20 round mag inside of a paper plate @ 50 yards, pretty much as fast as I can squeeze the trigger. Also relatively easy for newbies to learn to use (as long as they're not left handed) and make hits with, so if it comes down to the come down you can create an extra shooter in about 30 seconds. Never bothered mounting optics, the factory sights aren't the best but they work okay for me; although I might change out the front post one day.

RX-178
November 15, 2009, 11:26 PM
I probably wouldn't trade my 9mm Sub-2000 for any other 9mm carbine on the basis of function. Yeah, if someone offered me an HK94 in exchange for the Sub-2000, I'd take it, but not because I think the HK94 is any more functional as a weapon than the Kel-Tec.

It's as good as any pistol caliber carbine needs to be, and has the unique folding feature. It also takes common pistol mags, and only the hi-points beat it in price.

rangerruck
November 16, 2009, 01:22 AM
otay, they are both great, and suck at the same time. first off, lemme say that if you have the money, skip it and go to the beretta, so much freakin better.
But if keltec is a must, get a few things.
Get the one that takes glock mags; much more reliable. Front site on these are a PITA; easy to adjust yes, easy to screw it all up, becuase if you loosen it a bit too much, it falls WAY AWAY FROM WHERE YOU JUST LAST HAD IT!!
And you will do it, and it will happen, and you will cuss.
one more thing; DON'T BUY IT IF YOU ARE LEFTY!! trust me on this one; your nose and mouth will end up right in front of the ejector area, and you will be inhaleing the smoke, as well as you did when you were a teenager, and hitting the friend's killer Bong... did I say that? No way!
Then , go to keltec boards, and get a front rail, for the forestock, and a rear extension clamp on butt pad.
then go to a gunshow or shop or something, and get a AR m4 push on buttpad rubber pad, for the ones with the telescoping stock... it'll fit right on there.
Last but not least, get some a/c hoseing foam tubing, and tape it around the steel rear stock, your face sits down on this pretty hard, to get a decent look through the sites, and you will feel that steel pretty good, after 1 or 2 mags!!!
The good things are; very reliable like an ak, rarely needs cleaning, super small, and super light, less than 3 lbs i think, can fold it up into a lunchbox , pretty much. Fairly cheap to buy...
Otherwise, get the Beretta.

t165
November 16, 2009, 01:32 AM
I have an older Kel-Tec Sub-9. This firearm has never, not once, jammed on me. I keep it loaded and folded under my bed. This is what I chose to be my home protection weapon. I guess I am saying I like and trust these firearms. I used to carry a 9mm on my hip and a 12 gauge in my vehicle for a living. I believe the Kel-Tec is a better home defense weapon than either a handgun or shotgun for my situation. I'm certainly not bashing other individuals who choose a handgun, shotgun or whatever weapon for a home defense weapon. I'm simply explaining to the OP how much I like the folding Kel-Tec firearms.

Girodin
November 16, 2009, 02:05 AM
For a gun that cost less than $300 there is not much to complain about. They don't have the greatest fit and finish (its a kel tec) and as noted the trigger is not what you'd find on a match rifle. That said in my experience they are stone cold reliable and accurate with the practical range of the cartridge (9mm in my case). The fact it folds into such a small package is a neat and handy feature. The fact it accepts glock mags makes it a real winner.

As someone else said the major draw back is that they are hard to find.

wnycollector
November 16, 2009, 07:09 AM
The only "cons" I am aware of is that they are in very short supply.

I couldn't have said it better myself! I have the .40/glock mag version. It is a great little rifle out to 100 yards for the $$$.

Ex-MA Hole
November 16, 2009, 07:49 AM
I'm a lefty and learned to twist it a little and hold my check further back, no problems.

Mine's a 9mm and a lot of rounds with zero hiccups.

I'm keeping mine.

ROCK6
November 16, 2009, 09:59 PM
I've had mine for several years. I finally found a Sig version which I was looking for...a pleasant surprise is that it also takes CZ-75 mags (especially their 25 round mags!). I also upgrade the front sight with a Blue Force aluminum AR-styled sight...an excellent upgrade!

Mine has been flawless. My only complaint is the heavy trigger pull. For what it is, it's the perfect niche gun that is compact yet gives you decent long-range accuracy better than a pistol.

ROCK6

evan price
November 17, 2009, 03:51 AM
Consider first that it is really one ofa very few rifles that is capable of being folded up and put in a gym bag. Then realize that it takes 33-round Glock mags. Then look at the price- under $400! Then examine KT's statistics with +P 9mm out of the long barrel versus .357 Magnum energy. Impressive.
Mine is accurate, and hella fun. Not selling it.
The Beretta looks sci-fi and has a better trigger.

Your call.

KBintheSLC
November 17, 2009, 02:34 PM
My Glock 17 model S2K has never failed. It is rugged, reliable, and very handy. My only dislikes are the trigger and the sights. The trigger is long, heavy and sloppy. And the sights are a pain to adjust. However, for close range combat accuracy, it works great.

Mine fits in the side pocket of my 15" laptop case along with 3, 17 round mags. It makes a great "accessory" for the office.

Speedo66
November 17, 2009, 05:11 PM
Great gun, IT FOLDS! Walk down the street with it in your laptop bag along with some mags and attract zero attention. Try THAT with your Berretta.

I'm a lefty, and while it's not the best, it's workable. A few hot particles in the face never hurt anyone. :cool: Eye protection for a lefty is mandatory.

Yes, the front sight sucks. But I changed mine to an all metal front sight from a Hi-Point 995 Carbine for next to nothing. Go to www.KTOG.com to read all about the conversion. A few minutes with a Dremel and it looks like it was born there.

Put a couple of hundred rounds through it and the trigger gets better. Easy take down for cleaning.

If you can find one, buy it and become a believer.

lions
November 17, 2009, 08:30 PM
I just bought one of these today! I have the 9mm version that takes glock mags.

I put 100 rounds through it today and it was fantastic. I ended up shooting it pretty fast, it was just too much fun. It shot a little high and right so I will have to adjust the sights, we'll see how that goes. It came with a glock factory 33 round magazine and I need to get more.

I love that it folds up, I can put it in my range bag with my pistols. I have been looking for one for quite a while and it was worth the wait!

thriftyjoe
November 18, 2009, 03:16 AM
Does anyone know if the sub 2000 is legal in **********?

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