Win M70 or Win 94


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blackops
November 15, 2009, 11:48 PM
Which do you take?

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blackops
November 15, 2009, 11:51 PM
This does apply for hunting

bpl
November 16, 2009, 12:05 AM
I like both! :D

chevyforlife21
November 16, 2009, 12:06 AM
yea im both the 70 is awesomely accurate, the 94 is compact and balances good

viking499
November 16, 2009, 12:08 AM
Either should work, depending on the place where used. Although my cjoices are M70 or M336:rolleyes:

ArmedBear
November 16, 2009, 12:18 AM
Ditto Viking.

AKElroy
November 16, 2009, 12:25 AM
I have been taking both. I hunt alternatively from two stands; one with shots around 100 yds, and a tower chair w/ 150-200+. The shorter-shot ground stand is more for hogs, the tower chair more for whitetail. .270 Model 70 in the chair; .30-30 94 in the ground blind.

blackops
November 16, 2009, 12:53 AM
Lets not get technical. Obiously you can think of different applications, yardages, terrains etc. If you had to choose between one or the other what would you take?

Maverick223
November 16, 2009, 01:32 AM
My eyes like optics...so Marlin makes my levers. The '94 is a fine rifle, but I have to go with the M-70.

:)

Nugilum
November 16, 2009, 02:14 AM
For the area I live in, '94.

If I was back in lower Utah, M70.

natman
November 16, 2009, 05:03 AM
It's like saying hip waders or tennis shoes, which do you take?

Well, it depends on whether I'm going duck hunting or jogging.

Smith357
November 16, 2009, 07:14 AM
I have a few M70s but don't have a 94 yet, so I'll take a nice pre-64 rifle with octagon barrel and receiver sight in 38-55 please.

MMCSRET
November 16, 2009, 09:59 AM
I have several of each, they are not interchangeable, each stands alone. One of each has been customized, all are good and some are great!!!!!!!!!!!!! as Tony sez.

Mike J
November 16, 2009, 02:27 PM
I only have one deer rifle right now & it is a model 70. If I could have only one I would pick it because the calibers available are better long range.

K9american
November 16, 2009, 03:18 PM
I'll take a (new) Model 70 (Super Grade 30-06). I already have a '94 - mfd 1954. :)

C-grunt
November 16, 2009, 03:23 PM
I chose the M70 because it can do short range while the 94 doesnt do long range very well.

If I could only have one it would be a nice bolt gun.

rcmodel
November 16, 2009, 03:25 PM
This does apply for huntingHunting what? And hunting where?

As others have said, the 94 30-30 is a short range, medium power, fast handling, open sighted carbine for deer hunting in the woods.

A Model 70 scoped rifle can be anything from a 500 yard varmint rifle in .220 Swift, to a 400 yard antelope rifle in .270 or .264 Mag, to an elephant rifle in .458 Win Mag.

It all depends on where and what you plan to hunt in choosing one over the other.
And you didn't say.

rc

Mal H
November 16, 2009, 05:52 PM
rcmodel took the words right out of my mouth! To answer your nebulous question accurately, we would need to know the game you're after and/or the caliber desired, the terrain, your experience, etc., etc.

Out of curiosity, blackops, why did you, yourself, vote for the Win Model 70?

blackops
November 17, 2009, 04:26 AM
rcmodel took the words right out of my mouth! To answer your nebulous question accurately, we would need to know the game you're after and/or the caliber desired, the terrain, your experience, etc., etc.

Like I have already explained, you can think of a hundred different scenarios. I'm still trying to figure out why people turn a simple question into a technical one. Most everybody gives a simple answer and explanation yet few feel compelled to make it more technical. If you have to pick one or the other no matter what you are hunting, where you are hunting, what the weather is, what the altitude is, what the temperature is, what the wind drift is, in the brush, in the canyons, in the meadows, in the morning, in the evening etc. All around which is the better rifle in your opinion? Simple!!

Out of curiosity, blackops, why did you, yourself, vote for the Win Model 70?

Because I have a pre-64 and IMO the m70 is the best hunting rifle ever made. The thing has dang near target rifle accuracy and as reliable as they come.

bigwinchesterfan
November 17, 2009, 05:13 PM
IŽd take the M70... It does everything the good-ol 94 can, and more.

CoRoMo
November 17, 2009, 05:54 PM
...why people turn a simple question...

That's the rub, your question is actually riddled with complexity.
For my personal purposes, I'd take the lever gun because I'm covered well in boltys. You see there... I just had to add the intricacies that explain my answer. Dang those technicalities!!!:banghead:

Well, it depends on whether I'm going duck hunting or jogging.

C'mon, everyone knows it's levers for ducks and bolts for running!:D

bpl
November 17, 2009, 08:05 PM
Well, it depends on whether I'm going duck hunting or jogging.

I think more like asking; which is better, a wrench or a screwdriver? Different tools for different jobs.

A M70 is a great rifle, no doubt! Great for more open hunting, hunting from a treestand, hunting over longer distances. The M70 does not make as good of a woods rifle, quick handling rifle, easy carrying rifle as the M94. A M70 does not shoulder and point as naturally as an M94. The Winchester '94 is an ergonomic masterpiece, beautifully balanced, quick handling, light and portable. Perfect for woods and brush hunting at 100 yards or less, which is the kind of deer hunting the majority of deer hunting is, especially east of the Mississippi!

jbech123
November 17, 2009, 08:23 PM
M70. Think of it this way, if you had a standard setup on both - iron sights on the 94 and a 3-9 variable on the m70- the m70 covers more situations, since the OP says this choice is not based on a particular scenario. Think of it like this, if you were in the opposite situation the gun was designed for, which would you be better off with? I'd rather have the m70 shooting at a deer at 30 yards in the woods than an m94 and have to shoot at 400+.

skiking
November 17, 2009, 09:21 PM
I think that the 94 is overall a better deer rifle than the 70 especially now that I can load up the 30-30 with the 160 gr Hornady FTX bullets. With a Williams peep sight on the back, it is a solid 300 yd deer rifle.

Floppy_D
November 17, 2009, 09:40 PM
Here's a hint: if no one answers the question the way you wanted them to, you asked it wrong in the first place.

All around which is the better rifle in your opinion? Simple!!

You didn't say that the first time.

handle02
November 17, 2009, 10:28 PM
I voted 94 because I've had a lot fun with mine over the years and it's been a great rifle. On the other I just purchased a m70 in 300 win. mag and so far so good. Both are great rifles!!

blackops
November 18, 2009, 05:18 AM
I don't have experience in the "woods" I guess so I'm not sure about this, but a featherweight 70 with iron sights wouldn't get it done? I don't have the luxery of taking 100yd shots or less. I just know the 94 just isn't going to get it done in the canyons where I hunt. As a matter of fact I've never seen any lever rifle ever. I see it as the m70 can do everything a 94 can + a lot more.

skiking
November 18, 2009, 01:32 PM
The model 70 can reach out to further ranges than the 94, but does that really make it a "better" rifle? If so, is a 30-378 a better deer cartridge than a .270? All I know is I would rather carry a 94 around all day if my max range is <300 yds. Past 300 yds, I will use a 700 in .300 WM, but that 26" barrel really slows things down when I need to make a quick 50 yd shot.

chas08
November 18, 2009, 02:04 PM
If I were limited to one, and only one. I'd take the bolt action. If I were limited to only one caliber, I'd choose a .270 and simply not hunt anything it wasn't capable of taking.

blackops
November 20, 2009, 03:10 AM
The model 70 can reach out to further ranges than the 94, but does that really make it a "better" rifle?

No it doesn't, but the fact that it is a bolt action makes it more reliable and accurate. The fact that both rifles are 6-8lbs give or take makes it just as convenient. The fact that it reaches out farther widens your kill zone. Those three elements to me make it a better rifle period! BTW I'd love to see that 300yd range with a 94 and consistency. Not saying some can't, but for 99 percent of people that isn’t the case. It’s not as reliable or accurate. Both are easy to carry (especially the featherweight) and the 94 doesn’t have half the range. So is there anything about the 94 that makes it a better rifle? Please elaborate.

PT1911
November 20, 2009, 03:40 AM
it is really an impossible question as you have not provided enough info in your question. they are each great weapons in their own right but serve completely different niches.... apples to oranges my friend.

I went model 70 as it has greater range but could still be used with shorter range shots.. the same cannot be said of the 94... for all intents and purposes.

skiking
November 20, 2009, 12:07 PM
Ergonomics. When I shoot my 94 at the range for fun, I have found that under 60 yards if I pull the trigger as soon as the buttstock hits my shoulder not using the sights, I can easily hit a soda can sized target. They are natural pointers. As far as accuracy my 94 shoots 2" groups at 100 yds shooting over a backpack, that is plenty accurate to reach out to 300 yds, and at 300, I have no problem hitting a 8" gong every time, something most shooters would have a little difficulty doing with a M70 and a scope. I not sure why you think that the 94 is less reliable than the 70, do you have some evidence to back this up? If so, I would be glad to see it. I have never seen either rifle jam or FTF with handloads (I did have a bad box of Rem 270 core-loks before I started reloading that were all sorts of goofy).

If you haven't read this article, it is a good read.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/practical_accuracy.htm
So is the more accurate statement truly make the M70 a better hunting rifle, or does it just make you feel better?

PT1911
November 20, 2009, 09:20 PM
I not sure why you think that the 94 is less reliable than the 70

I would say it comes down to fewer moving parts.. there is just more opportunity for something to go wrong in the action of a 94. Is it unreliable? most definitely not, but I would say that a QUALITY bolt action is less likely to malfunction than a QUALITY lever.

Obviously you have an affinity to the 94. Nothing wrong with that. I dont think it is a matter of which is the better rifle, but which is the more versatile rifle.

that said however, it is difficult to measure even the versatility with nothing more than the question of which would you choose... for thick woods and rolling hills, 94 all the way... for open fields and flat ground... no doubt the model 70.

For a question of which with the environment left to guess... take the 70 and clear a shooting lane....:D

skiking
November 20, 2009, 11:14 PM
I do have an affinity for the 94, and have pushed the limits of the gun further than I ever plan to do again. Unless I will be slinging lead a very long distance, the 94 is all the deer rifle I will ever need.

Clark
November 21, 2009, 12:25 AM
I have (1) M70 and (1) W1894, and I have only shot deer with the M70.

blackops
November 21, 2009, 04:58 AM
As far as accuracy my 94 shoots 2" groups at 100 yds shooting over a backpack, that is plenty accurate to reach out to 300 yds, and at 300, I have no problem hitting a 8" gong every time

That's great I can shoot 1/2 groups at 100 and at 550yds I will hit an 8" plate nearly every time. That's not the point. More reliable, more versatile, and just as convenient to carry. There is no contest when it comes to accuracy.

Nick5182
November 21, 2009, 05:03 AM
Since I don't have an M70, I'd have to take my 94 lol

qajaq59
November 21, 2009, 07:27 AM
I have no choice. If I didn't take my old 94 it would get rusty from sitting in the safe and crying.......

Mike J
November 21, 2009, 11:16 AM
blackops-Why did you start the thread if you had already come to a conclusion about which you considered better?

Shadow Man
November 21, 2009, 08:08 PM
No it doesn't, but the fact that it is a bolt action makes it more reliable and accurate. The fact that both rifles are 6-8lbs give or take makes it just as convenient. The fact that it reaches out farther widens your kill zone. Those three elements to me make it a better rifle period!

You seem to already have a very strong, unshakeable opinion about this. So I feel obliged to ask, just like Mike J: Why ask?

As for me, my M1894 in .30-30 does the job just fine. Especially with these new "Leverevolution" or whatever they are. All I know is that it is a light, reliable, accurate little carbine, and if it doesn't have the legs to reach out and touch a target, I have legs, and will get it close enough to do the deed. But Blackops, an opinion forum is hardly the place to ask rhetorical questions and then get upset when others ask you to clarify...there is no "perfect" gun, no "perfect" round...open ended questions such as these are futile. Give me a specific scenario, or group of scenarios, and I will give you the benefit of what wisdom I have.

sleepyone
November 21, 2009, 08:22 PM
Although I chose the M70, I have three Featherweights, the lever actions are by far more fun to shoot. I shot a friend's old Marlin lever .22 the other day. I had not had so much fun shooting in years. I had not fired a lever action since I was a kid, and I felt like one again for that brief time. That will be my next rifle; either a Marlin or Winchester lever.

blackops
November 24, 2009, 05:04 AM
blackops-Why did you start the thread if you had already come to a conclusion about which you considered better?



Because one individual tried to explain to me that the 94 is the best winchester ever made and I just have a really tough time believing that. Obviously I favor the M70, but I'm trying to separate the guys who really believe that and the guys who had the rifle passed down from their father and use that for their reasoning. It's hard for me to take the question as a matter of opinion. For an all around rifle I believe the answer to be only one…m70. I don’t mean to come off rude and if I do I apologize.

Shadow Man
November 24, 2009, 12:45 PM
Because one individual tried to explain to me that the 94 is the best winchester ever made

Well hell, I thought it was just generally accepted that the best Winchester ever made was the Pre-64 Model 70! Personally, I prefer the M1895 in carbine form; there's just something about that box-mag lever action that I can't resist. However, finding one these days is pretty tough...hence why I stick with my old M94, passed down from my Korea/Vietnam War era grandfather straight to me. So yes, the gun does have special signifigance to me, but I am not totally biased.

Blackops: apology accepted.

Maverick223
November 24, 2009, 03:49 PM
I thought it was just generally accepted that the best Winchester ever made was the Pre-64 Model 70!Personally I prefer the M-70 Classic, or new model M-70s due to the better way that they handle gas, but I wouldn't turn down any CRF M-70 (not that the PF is a horrible rifle, I just like the CRF action better, especially in a Winny).

:)

Shadow Man
November 24, 2009, 04:48 PM
That's the wonderful thing about guns, Maverick: there are enough flavors to satisfy everyone.

SlamFire1
November 24, 2009, 07:37 PM
I would agree with the M70 and M336. From what I have seen the M94 is very difficult to clean. With a Marlin, one screw and the lever and bolt comes out, and it is relatively easy to clean.

I have a pre 64 featherweight 270 M70. Instead of a scope I installed a Lyman M48 JWS rear.

This rifle, in this configuration is exceptionally light and portable. A M70 action is slick, and with no scope to bump your knuckles, you can operate that bolt extremely fast.

I would rather use it with irons than a lever action with irons.

Let me recommend that you bolt gunners try this. Take off your scope and see if the handling of your bolt rifle radically improves.

Just don't expect to take any 300 yards shots.

Zeke/PA
November 24, 2009, 08:01 PM
Because I am an "old school" hunter/rifleman I am a die hard Model 70 fan.
I am the proud possessor of 6 Pre-64 jobs in various calibers including a .22 Hornet and a .257 Roberts.
I own Pre-War version in .30-'06 with which I have taken 30+ PA Whitetail Bucks over the years.
I looked at the newly manufactured stuff and while they are nice rifles they definetely AIN'T Model 70's.

blackops
November 25, 2009, 03:26 AM
I am the proud possessor of 6 Pre-64 jobs in various calibers including a .22 Hornet

I'm sure I don't need to tell you the value of that caliber in pre-64. If you ever want to get rid of one of your 30+ calibers let me know!

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