22-250?


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Col. Plink
November 17, 2009, 12:06 PM
Hey y'all,

I know nothing about this caliber, including what the numbers mean. It is a .22" diameter with 250-grain slugs? I don't know, I'm just a cave man...

But I do know that folks who who understand ballistics like this round, and that it's always available in WalMart, albeit in the dirty Remington CoreLokt stuff. What are the characteristics of this round? typica uses? I've found a K98 Mauser action barreled (new) in this caliber and am intrigued. Thanks in advance!

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NCsmitty
November 17, 2009, 12:20 PM
The "250" indicates that the case used in developing the cartridge is based on the 250 Savage round, necked down to 22 caliber, which measures .224 in laymen terms.
Fast and flat shooting, it can propel a 55gr bullet to around 3700 fps in most rifles and is a splendid varmint caliber.
I have one that I built on a Turkish Mauser action.


NCsmitty

AirForceShooter
November 17, 2009, 12:24 PM
Flat
Fast and will wear out a barrel.
But it's fun.

AFS

Col. Plink
November 17, 2009, 12:34 PM
With such light slugs, what (if any) advantage does 22-250 have over .223?

Jim Watson
November 17, 2009, 12:37 PM
About 500 fps and a somewhat flatter trajectory if shooting at long varmint ranges.

NCsmitty
November 17, 2009, 12:38 PM
400+ fps at the muzzle.



NCsmitty

MMCSRET
November 17, 2009, 01:05 PM
22-250 is boring with a capital "yawn"!!!!!!!! Easy to load, shoot and hit, if you can see it you can hit it, no challenge. It is good for almost everything up to and including open country deer. Every manufacturer makes guns and every ammo company loads it. Easy to handload for accuracy and fun to shoot; as I said "BORING".

Uncle Mike
November 17, 2009, 01:30 PM
22-250....Simply Awesome....!

You get one...you'll never look back.... you'll pee on any .223's you run into after that. lol hehehehe

Maverick223
November 17, 2009, 01:47 PM
It is a .22" diameter with 250-grain slugs?LOL, that bullet would be about 1.5in. long and require something like a 1 in 4 twist to stabilize. It is a great varmint round...perhaps the best? As others have noted it is exceptionally accurate, flat shooting, and affords a pretty short barrel life. It can be used for small deer and the like, but using such a small projectile (.224) there are better choices IMO. Sounds like you have a nice rifle.

:)

Col. Plink
November 17, 2009, 06:00 PM
Not yet. The ad in question is for a barreled action, nothing more (except for a sporterized stock not even pictured in the ad).

Forgive a cave man, but what makes a round wear out a barrel faster or slower? Is the 22-250 really that fast in relation to other high-power rifle loads?

PS: One man's "boring" is another man's "bad ass!"

rcmodel
November 17, 2009, 06:05 PM
Burning a lot of powder and pushing it through a small hole at very high velocity is what burns out barrels faster.

As for 22-250 barrel life.
It's not nearly as bad as some posters would have you believe.
If you don't set down on a pararie dog town and shoot 500 rounds in one morning..

I had a friend burn out a .243 Winchester barrel in a little over two hours doing exactly that.

rc

Col. Plink
November 17, 2009, 06:16 PM
related question:

the ad reads "new barrel (in the white)

What does that mean? Never heard that expression before...

All4eyes
November 17, 2009, 06:18 PM
Great varmint caliber, fast flat, and accurate. 55gr Vmax, some H380, and pdogs, go splat. Coyotes and fox cginge at it, as the are not safe when the hang up a t 3 to 500 yds. Like was said earlier if you can see it, you can hit it.

All4eyes
November 17, 2009, 06:19 PM
Just means the action was rebarreled, could be a good thing if it is from a quality barrel maker.

rcmodel
November 17, 2009, 06:21 PM
new barrel (in the white)"In the White" means it has not been blued or otherwise finished. Just bare steel as it came from the barrel maker.

The ad in question is for a barreled action, nothing more (except for a sporterized stock not even pictured in the ad). I gotta say, with the questions you are asking, a barreled action and an unfitted stock is probably not the gun for you!

rc

dubbleA
November 17, 2009, 06:31 PM
"in the white" means the barrel outside surface is unfinished, such having no bluing.

Maverick223
November 17, 2009, 06:40 PM
the ad reads "new barrel (in the white)...What does that mean? Never heard that expression before...It means that the barrel is not finished, and is likely chrome molybdenum steel (rather than stainless) and will need to be finished. Add $100.00+ to the price for bluing, unless you want to tackle the job yourself (no help here).

:)

Art Eatman
November 17, 2009, 10:29 PM
Barrel "burn out" is actually erosion of the very first part of the barrel in front of the chambered cartridge. The "throat" or "leade" of the barrel. Rapid rates of fire with the high temperatures of rather large powder charges and small-diameter (comparatively) bullets can mean the erosion will occur in the vicinity of maybe 1,200 to 2,000 rounds. However, most rifles are quite okay to four or five thousand, and some for many more.

For a hunting rifle, it's rarely a problem--excepting prairie dogs. Deer or coyotes and suchlike are relatively few shots in any one year. PDs? Over a hundred in a day.

Erosion in the leade can be repaired by having a competent gunsmith do some lathe work and set the barrel back a fraction of an inch, creating a new and unburned entrance to the barrel.

The .22-250 was originally called the "Varminter", a name copyrighted by Nebraska gunsmith Jerry Gebby. Bullet technology of the general period 1930-1980 meant that most centerfire .22s were not all that reliable for deer-sized game. The last dozen or so years have seen a dramatic improvement due to demand, and precision shot placement allows reasonable use for deer hunting. The best use, however, for most folks is as a varmint rifle.

Col. Plink
November 18, 2009, 11:37 AM
Oh ye of little faith! Not saying I'm going to tackle this particular setup, but how else does someone work through their first project like this? Everyone has to ask the intro-level questions when they're learning, I am always trying to gain new insight on such things so I figure so much the better for me I know how to ask good questions!

May not eventually go for a 22-250 at all either. Who knows? I'm pretty sure I'm smart enough and if I was properly careful I'm confident I could learn whatever I needed to eventually work through something like this. I figure it's my next long-term project in firearms.

Another 22-250 Q: I know folks who hunt deer with .223's, I'm guessing 22-250 is just as good and possibly better, yes? (all other things being equal)

X-Rap
November 18, 2009, 11:44 AM
Col. for the same reason some claim overkill with a magnum I say under kill with .22 centerfire. There are bullets that will increase the likelyhood of clean kills but even with them there are distance, placement, and balistic concerns that are far less relevant for 6mm and larger calibers. The 22-250 is a legal cartridge in some locals but just understand its limitations.

Col. Plink
November 18, 2009, 11:58 AM
If I got one it's more likely it would be a longrange plinker, maybe some varminting, unlikely anything else.

twice barrel
November 18, 2009, 02:03 PM
Took my first deer with one around 1979. Wound looked the same as one I took with a 270; dropped where it stood just like the 270 hit one did. Not saying its a perfect deer hunting cartridge but it sure did the job for me that day.

Why would anyone think it will destroy barrels? Even the 220 Swift reputed to do that truly didn't. Of course, a shooter can wear out any barrel if they choose to.

Regards,

TB

fireman
November 18, 2009, 02:36 PM
250-3000 Savage is the parent round.
First commercial round that beat the 3000 FPS Barrier. Kind of like the 4 minute Mile.
Fireman

KFDiesel
November 19, 2009, 10:54 PM
how do you know if you have worn out the barrel?

Maverick223
November 20, 2009, 02:10 AM
how do you know if you have worn out the barrel?When a good shooting rifle, starts to loose accuracy, it can be new barrel time...but you need to tighten everything, check the optics & mounts (or sights), check the crown, and give it a thorough cleaning prior to trashing it. A hunting rifle (other than a varmint rig) will last darn near forever if properly maintained, but you are likely to go through a few barrels with a dedicated target rifle.

:)

Afy
November 20, 2009, 05:19 AM
Accurate to a fault, almost like the 6mm Norma BR. I can get a little over 3900 fps with 52 grain bullets, and typically sub MoA groups.

The barrel does copper up a lot, and accuracy is around 1500 rounds at most.

KFDiesel : You know when a barrel is worn out, when your groups begin to open up. In the case of my 6mm BR, I will change barrels when the average group size goes from .3 inches (5 shots c2c) to over .5. Still accurate for most, but worn out for me. A borescope would be more precise in telling you when the barrel has gone to the happy hunting grounds, but a target is equally effective.

Chuck E
November 24, 2009, 11:22 AM
For you wondering about the 22-250. My first BDL was a one. Loved the trajectory but not the knock down. Went to a wildcat (was then) and loaded my own 25-06. Loved that gun, have no idea why I got rid of it. New kids and broke I think. Then went to the .243. Just don't care for in but no good reason. FYI all three of those have almost the same trajectory. I have settled in on my new .308 and love it. Cheap ammo from Academy also. Just my 2 cents worth. Have a couple .223's also. Cheap and fun but ?????? Back pasture Varmints I use my CZ bull .17HMR head shots nail driver up to 125 yards. If something really angers me and is to be hunted down and brutally shot dead, out comes the rusty old pre 64 Winchester 30-30.

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