[Min]

Would you buy this gun? 10-rd mags, and civilian-friendly ammo are becoming available to the public. Expensive, but you'll be the only at the range with one.

[DougCxx]

Hmmmm.......
If'n ya want to shoot itty-bitty holes in things, it might be cheaper to just buy a Grendel P-30 and rebarrel it in .17HMR.... --only 1/4th the power per shot, but 30 shots instead of just 10....
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BTW, Excel Arms/Accu-Tek does have a 9-shot .17hmr autopistol coming out someday (?), might already be out. Haven't called about it yet.....
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[TheeBadOne]

I'd have absolutely no use for this pistol/caliber except as a conversation peice. Thus, I'll never buy one. (too many other worthy firearms to pick up).

[ballistic gelatin]

5.7 would be very cool. Comparitively speaking though, will .17 HMR penetrate body armor like the 5.7?

Also, if the 5.7 is being made available to John Q. Public, my question is why? Manufacturers are not selling enough product to LE Agencies?

[Schuey2002]

Would you buy this gun?

Nope.

There is no way that I'm spending $1600 on a plastic monstrosity that holds only 10 rounds of very expensive ammo; a single box of 50 will set you back around $23.00..

Now, if you would have said, "Would you buy this P90?" :D

[Skunkabilly]

C'mon Schuey, with the FiveseveN and the P90 you can have your 5.7 theme! Heck you can even try to get an FN Minimi converted to 5.7 :neener:

[Zundfolge]

If FN was smart they would chamber the darn thing in .22lr and sell them in the $300 range ... the CounterStrike kiddies and SpecOpSpook wannabes would buy them up by the case (hell, I might buy one then :neener: ).

[Schuey2002]

C'mon Schuey, with the FiveseveN and the P90 you can have your 5.7 theme!
Or I could just buy a P90 (it'll be a sunny day on the Oregon Coast when that happens, :D ), have it rechambered in .22lr. or .22 Win Mag, and skip the FiveseveN all together..
Heck you can even try to get an FN Minimi converted to 5.7
Have you priced one of these lately?? And if you have, can I borrow some money? LOL! :neener:

[DougCxx]

5.7 would be very cool. Comparitively speaking though, will .17 HMR penetrate body armor like the 5.7?
-Over at the rimfirecentral boards, people have observed that it does go through some types, when fired out of a rifle from out to about 30 feet away. The P90 uses lead/copper 34 gr bullets at around 1000+ ft-lbs (I'm guessing), but the "other" mini-caliber gun--[the HK PDW]--uses 4.7mm 24.7 gr bullets which
are stated to be copper-plated steel, and the power only 312 ft/lbs....
....-and the 17hrm is ~17 grains copper-jacketed lead, at ~250 ft/lbs.
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I find it rather amusing that these two calibers ended up almost identical.
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[c_yeager]

Wouldnt a "civilian friendly" version of this cartridge be specifically designed NOT to penetrate body armor? I think one may be better served even by 22 wmr.

[ballistic gelatin]

Wouldnt a "civilian friendly" version of this cartridge be specifically designed NOT to penetrate body armor?But what if my attacker is wearing body armor?

[George Hill]

CZ-52 = $120.
Aftermarket firing pin = $25.
Fifty rounds of ammo = $6.

Scoffing at both the FN 5.7 and Body Armor = Priceless

[SoCalGeek]

ballisticgelatin- officially, FN is still not selling these to civilians. But now thanks to the manufacture of reduced-capacity magazines and "training" (Non-AP) ammo, it is legal. I've heard (don't quote me) that FN has a system to prevent civilian sales where they sell a dealer one Five-seveN, the dealer sells that one to a law enforcement agency who provides a letter from the department. They show this letter to FN, and FN sells them another Five-seveN. So if they sell it to a civilian, no letter which means no more 5.7s for them.

[Glockorama]

Mr. Hill makes a fine point. :cool:

[WonderNine]

I would buy one if I could get the normal 20 round mags and the ammo that it was designed for.

[keederdag]

I acctually saw two of these things for sale at a gun show one time. I was baffled? I didnt think I'd ever see one for sale to the general public! The guy wanted like $4,000 for both, and he had four mags. No fed tax stamp, no nothin. Private Sale. I was very confused. Also very uninterested in purchase. But, Wow the things you see huh?:confused:

[George Hill]

FOUR THOUSAND?

Dude was smoking some serious crack over there.

Four Thousand? Gimme a BREAK! I wouldn't buy these for more than 300 MAX. That is just INSANE.

[keederdag]

Agreed. Only ones I ever saw for sale though. I cant beleive he'd ever sell em!

[Correia]

I played with one at SHOT show. The trigger sucks. The gun itself is kind of a cheap clunky plastic thing. The only nifty thing it has going for it is the fancy pants caliber. Which apparently is good for 1 thing only and that is going through armor. What it does after that nobody seems to know. :)

Over hyped, over rated, over priced. I bet they sell a pile of them. :D

[DougCxx]

- Yea but,,, the P90 is made of that new super-secret material called "plezztique"..... <:O
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[ballistic gelatin]

CZ-52 = $120.
Aftermarket firing pin = $25.
Fifty rounds of ammo = $6.

Scoffing at both the FN 5.7 and Body Armor = Priceless
Please Explain

[WonderNine]

Please Explain

The CZ-52's 7.62X25mm round seems to go through body armor as well as if not better than the 5.7mm out of the FN Five-Seven.

[Black Snowman]

I like velocity and all but I'd prefer SOME bullet weight. If it were a target pistol with proven accuracy I could see maybe getting one but I don't have a use for one that I can't cover with another firearm. If I feel the need to penetrate body armor I've got an M17S, a FAL, and a .340 Weatherby Magnum.

[WonderNine]

If I feel the need to penetrate body armor I've got an M17S, a FAL, and a .340 Weatherby Magnum.

How well do they conceal? I hear Milt Sparks is coming out with a new IWB holster for that FAL. ;)

[Black Snowman]

They don't conceal at all of course. But if I need more portable rifle power I do have a Desert Eagle .50 AE which does hide somewhat under my normal jacket :) But if I'm forced to go into that kind of harms way I'm taking a rifle, concealment be damned. Odds of any thug I meet having body armor are slim. Odds go up in a home-invasion scenario where the concealment isn't an issue.

Right now my CCW is a 3" Kershaw folder, a cell phone, and a TwinTask because Kansas still doesn't have CCW permits for the masses. I'm probably going to upgrade to a Cold Steel Recon-1 pretty soon (relegating my Kershaw to backup duty). I hear it defeats soft armor quite well :)

[Zundfolge]

The main problem with bullets that do well against body armor is that they tend to do worse against targets with no body armor.

More then likely, if you need your gun for self defense you will not be up against someone wearing body armor ... if at some point you find yourself up against targets with body armor, it will more then likely be because you saught them out and you'll come prepared with an AR or something.

[BevrFevr]

Zunfolge, how true but there is another place one could be usefull.

Maybe if you regularly carry a suitcase full of crack and may have to defend yourself against a 70's era impala filled with gangstas. :D

-bevr