cheapest route on ar15's


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newbie11
November 20, 2009, 10:43 PM
does anyone know the cheapest route on an ar15? Something that is low end and as cheap as possible? i heard that buying the upper and lowers seprately is cheap, but i dont understand much of how that works. im trying to get out of only using .22lr because i dont get to shoot very often anyway :banghead:

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Avenger29
November 20, 2009, 10:45 PM
Okay, buying the upper and lower separate saves you the federal excise tax.

If you are just looking for a range blaster...have you considered an AK of some type? I recommend an AK to those on a budget looking for a range gun/SHTF gun/etc.

Don't go Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne if you go AR. That way lies extreme disappointment. Anything else is pretty much a go if you are primarily concerned about price. Running an AR is not cheap. The ammunition is not the cheapest. The overall purchase price is higher.

wishin
November 20, 2009, 10:52 PM
Now that ARs are becoming more abundant, I'd check all local pawn shops regularly. And check the gun over very carefully before buying. You should be able to get a good one for $650-750.

mypps
November 20, 2009, 10:56 PM
CMMG usually has bargain bin guns for around $700. they say scratch and dent but most people can't seem to find any marks on them. i'm building one right now and when done , it will be around $900. i live in connecticut so i can't have an ak, and for an ar i have to make sure i'm ban-compliant. but if you can own one, ak's are great guns.

Z-Michigan
November 20, 2009, 10:56 PM
This deal would be hard to beat:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/DEL-TON_DTI-4_.223_5.56_Rifle.html

It's out of stock at the moment but will probably come back at the same price.

You can also find a DPMS Sportical for $650-700. I'd go with the Del Ton first, but the DPMS would be fairly comparable.

Used may be an option. Check gun board classifieds.

Piecing together an upper and lower is historically cheaper, but with deals like the one above, I'm not certain it is right now.

Sunray
November 20, 2009, 11:04 PM
AR15 and cheap don't go together. New AR15 clones start around $800.
"...buying the upper and lowers separately is cheap..." Nope. Building a rifle costs more than buying a whole rifle.
"...recommend an AK to those on a budget..." SKS.
"...trying to get out of only using .22lr..." Understandable. Just remember that any centre fire will cost you considerably more to shoot. The days of cheap milsurp ammo are over.
If it doesn't have to be a semi-auto, look into a used .223 bolt action.

nwilliams
November 20, 2009, 11:11 PM
I wouldn't worry about buying the lower and upper separate it won't save you a whole lot, AR's are cheap right now so just buy a complete rifle.

You can buy a complete AR for around $650-$900 and if your are looking for the cheapest AR but still want to maintain a decent level of quality I would go with DPMS, Stag, Bushmaster, Del Ton or Charles Daly. All can be found in that price range and all are quality rifles. IMO you won't find a quailty AR for less than $650. However between $650-$900 there are a plethora of possibilities.

greyling22
November 20, 2009, 11:31 PM
cmmg bargain bins are $600+shipping, ffl and an optic. figure 650 to your door + some type of sight. $25-$500

MarineOne
November 21, 2009, 12:09 AM
Another recommendation for CMMG. CDNN sells them and this would be the first place I would go to check them out.


Kris

Z-Michigan
November 21, 2009, 12:10 AM
"...buying the upper and lowers separately is cheap..." Nope. Building a rifle costs more than buying a whole rifle.

Not true, at least in the US, if you know where to shop and will work at it a bit. But not the huge savings it used to be. I don't currently recommend this route for a first purchase.

chuwee81
November 21, 2009, 12:24 AM
built a flat top for 690. But with DD full auto BCG. Stag has complete upper minus bcg and CH for 300 for thxgiving special i think and DSArms has the same deal for 275.

762minigun
November 21, 2009, 12:26 AM
The cheapest I have ever built one is this one... $540 before the upgrades.
AS seen with RAS and MOE stock $700 The deals are out there, you just gotta be on the spot, when they come up.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/762minigun/DSC04344.jpg
$150 PWA lower complete with A-2 stock.
$80 Colt BCG low miles
$275 barreled upper DSA new Knob Creek
$35 A-3 carry handle almost new online

I'm not including the last two because these were bought, or traded as upgrades. The DSA upper came with M-4 type hand guards, and the stock was a trade out for some parts I have had for years.
$120 RAS
$ about $40 MP MOE Mil-spec complete
The AR components are coming down in price all over the place. The last big gun show here in Indiana had Colt 6920's were priced $999. Even at that price I didn't see anyone buying them.

devildog4329
November 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
Here you go. I personnely do not have any experiance with double star but i am thinking of picking one up as well. Cant beat the price!

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411537958

rangerruck
November 21, 2009, 01:59 AM
right now, dpms has the best deal going on a new ar, and I don't even like ar's, and am thinking of getting one!
Called the sportical, it has a 16 inch bbl, it is a pencil bbl, flat top receiver, and adjustable buttstock. All for 650 plus tax. Very nice; if you have not handled a pencil bbl ar before, they are super handy!!!

the oracle, and sportical models are both 6.3 lbs empty.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/category.aspx?id=4

wvshootist
November 21, 2009, 02:13 AM
What type of rep does Olympic Arms have? They seem to be reasonably priced.

kwelz
November 21, 2009, 08:20 AM
While Oly seems to have a few defenders, they are in reality the 2nd worse AR manufacturer on the market today.

If you really must get one cheap check out the CMMG bargain Bin Rifles.

Wayne G.
November 21, 2009, 08:46 AM
While Oly seems to have a few defenders, they are in reality the 2nd worse AR manufacturer on the market today...

Who's "first" worse?

Z-Michigan
November 21, 2009, 09:30 AM
Double Star is affiliated with J&T, I believe, and is decent. Probably comparable to Del-Ton.

Olympic is probably OK but would be near my last choice. Historically their reputation is not great, and I don't see anything they've done to improve it much.

"First worst" would probably be Hesse/Vulcan etc. depending who you ask.

The CMMG bargain bin rifles are supposed to be a great deal if you're willing to accept a parts-bin rifle (which many of us pay just as much to build ourselves, FWIW).

Agent Smith
November 21, 2009, 09:48 AM
Hands down the best AR for the money. If you think otherwise, you're wrong.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=16M_RIFLE&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DBCOM

rangerruck
November 21, 2009, 09:56 AM
worst is anything Blackthorne, which Oly gets most it's parts from...

496 polara
November 21, 2009, 11:57 AM
Guess my olympic is crap and I should'nt ever try to fire it again.:eek:
J/K I paid $700 for it out the door a year or so ago.I don't shoot it much but has been flawless so far.
They seem to have become more affordable recently.I see really nice used ones with accessories going for $800 around here.

gloucestergarand
November 21, 2009, 01:04 PM
Like poster above sez, guess my Oly is just not making it in the popularity contests. But bought it new for $600 before the election price run up, she is fine for my eyes and with my Ciener .22LR adapter, is a heck of a lot of fun, cheap. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

highorder
November 21, 2009, 01:28 PM
Hands down the best AR for the money. If you think otherwise, you're wrong.

:rolleyes:

kwelz
November 21, 2009, 01:36 PM
I tend to agree the BCM is probably one of the best and is for sure the best deal out right now.

As for the first worse it would be Hesse/blackthorne/Vulcan/whatever they have changed their name to this week.

taliv
November 21, 2009, 02:25 PM
i dunno... as long as you can buy colt 6920s under $1000, i can't see spending an extra $150 on BCM, even if it is mid-length

HOLY DIVER
November 21, 2009, 03:02 PM
LOL my olympic will never shoot those sub moa groups anymore i guess it will start jamming and will never work again now i've read this thread.....i've included a pic of my olympic......if you want an AR that will shoot bullets on top of each outher i'd recommend one like this....now if you want to look down your nose at outher AR owners you will most deff need to buy a colt now if you go the look down your nose route u might get your feeling hurt at the range if you ever run across my oylmpic and i and you see its groups at 200 and 300yds
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv144/john92807/th_freefloat004.jpg (http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv144/john92807/?action=view&current=freefloat004.jpg)

kwelz
November 21, 2009, 03:30 PM
Your sample size of 1 is not a good indicator of anything. Heck I am sure there are even some happy Hesse owners out threre. That doesn't mean they make good firearms.

Ask magpul or PR what they see in their classes.

Quoheleth
November 21, 2009, 03:55 PM
I have only one Doublestar and PERSONALLY don't know anyone else who has one, but the on-line reviews were favorable and the price was right last fall (three weeks after O-day) so I jumped on it.

Today's price at Buds is within a couple bucks of what I paid.

It's been a good rifle and has operated well with both steel and brass. I figure if steel cases are as bad as they say, my gun's price point is low enough I can afford to rebuild if necessary. My next step is a budget-line scope for plinking.

Q

HOLY DIVER
November 21, 2009, 04:00 PM
ok i'm sure there are tons of pictures of broken oylmpic parts....any articles written by an credible author saying oylmpics are sub par? or are we just going on what a bunch of colt owners said to make them self feel like there better than everybody else....lol? i own a few AR's 1 olympic 2 del-tons and 1 COLT I've never had any problems with any of these rifles except the colt and it was due to a bad magazine so i can't blame the rifle.the point i'm trying to make is...u guys out there looking to buy your first AR go on facts not rumors....how many ford owners outhere that will admit chevy makes a better truck? or vise versa.....AR's are the same way what ever brand someone has that person insists that brand is the best ever made. now don't get me wrong i like my colt just fine it shoots great but after 6 years i still can't find a reason to say its better than any of my outher AR'S just my take i think my opion is not bias because i own and love both rifles....with that said all you colt owners looking down your noses at outher AR owners GET OVER YOURSELF.....the next AR I buy will be a noveske when i get it home and shoot is and if i can find a reason to say its better than my outher AR's i'll post that aSAP
(i hope its better because $1800 is allot of money lol)

RP88
November 21, 2009, 04:17 PM
Del-Ton is the best for the money in terms of a budget. You can have a pretty decent rifle for about $600 by grabbing a rifle kit from them, buying a stripped lower on the cheap, and assembling it yourself. I had a Del-Ton and it worked just fine (after I started using better mags, lol), but I sold it to fund a gun safe and a glock during the panic. The only thing I'd say is to not order it with their BCG, and use the saved money and put it towards a mil-spec BCG to drop into it.

But, if you are able to spend a little more, you can probably walk off with a mil-spec bare-bones AR for around $850-900 if you shop right. Grab a BCM upper and bolt group for about $550-600, build a decent lower for about $200-240, add on some basic handguards for like $20, grab a rear sight or handle for $50-100, and voila.

kwelz
November 21, 2009, 05:10 PM
Check out ar5.com. There are a couple of threads talking about all the problems people have had with the company and their product. Pictures included. They are sub par it has nothing to do with someone wanting to feel superior. It has to do with facts.

tju1973
November 21, 2009, 05:37 PM
Can't you have an AK, just not a 7.62x39 one? I feel for the convoluted gun laws up there---

tju1973
November 21, 2009, 06:00 PM
LOL my olympic will never shoot those sub moa groups anymore i guess it will start jamming and will never work again now i've read this thread.....i've included a pic of my olympic......if you want an AR that will shoot bullets on top of each outher i'd recommend one like this....now if you want to look down your nose at outher AR owners you will most deff need to buy a colt now if you go the look down your nose route u might get your feeling hurt at the range if you ever run across my oylmpic and i and you see its groups at 200 and 300yds
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv144/john92807/th_freefloat004.jpg (http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv144/john92807/?action=view&current=freefloat004.jpg)
I like it--- cool scope factor and the FF tube makes it look stretched--- and well..Cool..congrats!

HOLY DIVER
November 21, 2009, 07:01 PM
AZIZZA i read a thread awhile ago that had pics of an upper reciver split allmost in half two.....thing that bothered me was it was a colt hope mine stays in one peace.....
tju1973 thanks for the compliments, i just ordered a daniel deffense clamp on gas block
i think it will look allot better then so as i get it on i'll post pics

riflenut
November 21, 2009, 07:30 PM
:cuss::cuss:when i decided to purchase a ar15 ,i started looking at gun shows . then i went to several gun shops here in louisville,ky. i ended up with a brand new ar15 5.56 nato with 16 " barrel and vietnam style era rear site. the salesman at knob creek told me ,i can sell you any brand of ar15 here you want with all the bells and whistles!!! but if you want to experience the ar for its design and basic function shooting, buy the olympic for $665. and enjoy it. i have owned it since 2007, i have shot at least 3to 4 hundred rounds of brands winchester ,federal, wolf, with out one jam up!!! this ar is just fine to me period.!!!!!!!!!! from want info i have found on olys in the past was there were some problems with some mechanics of there ars back in the early 70s but this was resolved many years ago.

ndh87
November 21, 2009, 11:01 PM
build it

atlanticfire
November 22, 2009, 12:10 AM
I'm a defender of Oly. Have had them in the past and shoot the snoot out of them without any issues. Have two friends that own them and shoot them alot as well. I know I know! There is better, but for the price I think there a good gun. Again, I don't buy into brand names. I just like to shoot guns that work, whatever brand.

PaulCSomething
December 23, 2009, 07:48 PM
Personal experience. Here's mine. I bought a new oly .45 upper using 30 rd sten mags (I believe they where sten mags. It was a long time ago). Needless to say the mags didn't work very well. I could fit maybe 11 rounds in the mag by hand. After that I had to use anything sitting around to stab more into the mag. I couldn't get more then 15 in the mags no matter what. The few rounds that did fit into the mag would fire and function. Bummer, It could have been a fun toy. I understand this is an issue with the mags so I call oly only to be told that I was out of luck because those are the mags that come with it. I told them I wanted to send it back and they took it. What really makes me mad was the customer service. They wouldn't return it without charging a restocking fee. I told them I fired less then a hundred rounds and the rep told me "oh no, it's been fired much more then that". I took the fee to get out of having anything else to do with them. I will never purchase anything from them again and tell everyone that will listen not to purchase from either.

MAURICE
December 23, 2009, 08:35 PM
I have owned a couple of cheapish AR-15s. One was an Oly Plinker, and it was not a bad gun, save the roll pin in the gas block working it's way out once. Easy fix. Even with that problem, I'm with the Oly guys here. It did it's job as long as I did mine.

The other was a DPMS lower that I built up. It was also not a bad rifle. Unfortunately I had to get rid of both for different (read: money) reasons.

My next one will be a Colt 6940. Not knocking the others, but I like the rifle and I make a little more money now. That said, I wouldn't mind socking away a Sportical or CMMG Bargain Bin rifle or twelve after I get the Colt. You know, just to have.

rizbunk77
December 23, 2009, 08:54 PM
AR's are thought of as an expensive weapon but right now they are equivalent or cheaper than a Rem 700. Don't believe me go look.

Hammerhead6814
December 23, 2009, 09:01 PM
There were Bargain Bin Guns AR-15's (made from every AR part there is), at the last RKShow in Kansas City MO for $599-$699. Unless your looking for top of the line parts, that's probably the cheapest way to get into an AR.

Building one is kind of tricky cost wise. You could put together a lower from Show Me Shooters for around $200, and sometimes you'll find a basic upper for $500, which means you can save on the taxes. But just barely.

Erik M
December 23, 2009, 09:29 PM
." Nope. Building a rifle costs more than buying a whole rifle.."

After seeing lowers and parts kits selling for $50 there is no way this statement could be true. CMMG bargin bin or local dealer cutting you a deal around $700 is the way to go.

kwelz
December 23, 2009, 11:32 PM
Building is almost always cheaper. One of the reasons being you don't have to pay for the FET!.

Oh and Someone mentioned a Colt that split in two. That was a Umarex .22. yes it has the Colt name on it but it is no more a colt then my Saturn is an Acura.

LS240
December 24, 2009, 01:03 AM
Have you looked at Kel Tec SU16s? I know you said you want an AR but these do the same job for less money. They take AR mags, have a piston driven system instead of the direct impingement of most ARs, are very lightweight due to the polymer construction, and are reported to be very reliable. There are 4 models and all go for less than $600 at most places. My local gun store had SU16Cs in stock for $475 back in the summer, and I imagine the price has only gone down if anything.

Just something to look into.

RockyMtnTactical
December 24, 2009, 01:32 AM
The cheapest I would go is $700-800 for a Stag Arms.

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