[swingset]

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218023&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

It's a musician's forum, but I noticed an overwhelming number of Europeans and Canadians bashing Bush and the US, and I decided to be a class-A rude American and call them to the carpet. Feel free to join in.

[ZekeLuvs1911]

ROTFLMAO. Nice going.....nothing like stirring up a bee hive. It is really to bad that some people can't see what we are TRYING to do. I say trying because nothing ever works out the way we want it to. Too much politics and compromising of principles in International Affairs in my opinion.

[dinosaur]

BWHAHAHA! Great post. I won`t even bother reading the replies since I figure most will be of the "You`re too stupid to see the point" that prevailed on MM`s site.:cuss: Code for "I have no cogent rebuttal but I can`t resist opening mouth and inserting foot.":evil:

[Greg L]

Ow my head hurts. Maybe some of them will grow up and become productive eventually. I doubt it too but it would be nice.

Greg

[NewShooter78]

Good post, but I feel a little dumber for reading a lot of those replies.

[10-Ring]

:banghead: :cuss:

I know, anyone really upset w/ the US please stand so we can take note of which country you are from so we can stop all that aid money you've been leeching from us :D

[Skunkabilly]

Too much reading and I have ammo to burn and pictures of guns on the Internet to look at :D

OK off to playing Ghost Recon

[4v50 Gary]

What does one expect from musicians anyhow? Like artists, they tend to be more liberal than the rest of us. I might just go there and tell them that there's been no good musicians since Wagner died.

[Frohickey]

HEY!!! I use an iMac!!! :cuss:

Well, not really, but I know the guys that made the iMac. Dunno if any of them are shooters though. I might have to go and invite them to the range. :)

[Skunkabilly]

What does one expect from musicians anyhow?

multiple .308 hits center mass of course!

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/arctic_banjo.jpg

Beware the arctic banjo operations!

[Pilgrim]

Great job!

Bruce

[Edward429451]

I agree with your post generally but lets face it realistically. That war in Irac coming up is more about money in oil monger Bush's pockets than your family car. If he really cared about us citizens, he'd be doing more about the Mexico border problems were having.

Otherwise good post!

[swingset]

So, Iraq's just about Bush lining his pockets, huh?

I guess any other leader we've ever had who didn't have stake in the oil industry would just let old Saddam slide, forget him and move on about our business sealing the borders?

Mmmkaay.:rolleyes:

[Art Eatman]

Edward429451, do you disagree with the points made in the "Chew on this..." thread now running here in L&P?

Probably oughta go offer this URL from that thread, to the musicians:

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Ar...cle.asp?ID=5616

:), Art

[Jim V]

Art, your link no longer works. Front Page Magazine appears to be redesigning their web page.

[Peetmoss]

Wow that was well interesting.

[Robert Farrar]

And you, treehugger, who asked you to psycho-analyze me? The world has leaned on the US for money, support, military strength and leadership. And now, the same UN and socialist-feelgoods who begged "someone" to do "something" about the Kurds and Iraqi refugees are crying because we finally elected a man who WILL do something about it. We have a whole laundry list of reasons to invade Iraq. They've shot our planes down (an act of war), they've violated the UN resolutions, they've re-armed when told not to, and they've threatened their neighbors whose stability we depend on. Imagine Teddy Roosevelt, Winston Churchill or Harry Truman at the reigns of this government. We'd have already carpet bombed the presidential palaces. The problem nowadays is the lefty, soft skinned creampuffs can't handle the thought that it takes a ruthless, strong will to keep the morons in line. This basic fact of human nature might confuse or hurt you, but it will persist long after you've left us. Now, put down the bong and quit listening to Henry Rollins.

swingset,
That is one of the BEST answers I've ever seen!

Bob

[Gary H]

I just don't understand why the Europeans begged such a backward country of rednecks to get involved in the Balkans. Personally, I thought that we should have let them swing by their collective..oh ya..they don't have those.

Jealousy is a horrid thing and it is so overt amongst the overly-emotional and historically challenged artistic type in Europe.

Edward429451:

You must be kidding. You don't really believe that stuff..do you? I'm no great George Bush fan, but I really don't think he is attacking Iraq to establish a Texas based farm club in Iraq. Also, don't believe the oil trash talk. I do believe that a U.S. base in the Middle East and a democratic Iraq will change the face of this war on terror...after a lot of bumps and bombs.. Perhaps I view this a bit differently since Iraqi nuclear weapons could be in my future. I live near a port and what better way to deliver weapons to the U.S. A big unsigned boom. Your point regarding the borders is a good one and in my view is one of George Bush's GREAT oversights. Perhaps his undoing...


Hint.."farm club" .. think baseball

[Edward429451]

No, I'm not a peacenik or anything. Just a few thoughts all fell together to make me think we shouldn't be going to war with them so fast. Even taking all the conspiracy theory stuff with a grain of salt it still dont seem right. First off, who made the U.S. world policeman? Hell yeah they need a change of regime (sp?), they needed it back in '91. Its a little weird why they didn't finish the job then when they had the chance. Why let him go and then suddenly go for it now when he isnt going to war with anybody. Granted, he may kill some of his people in the area but hey, so does our own government. Its like double jeapordy almost.

Tin foil hat aside, follow the money trail. We all know that, don't we? War is big business and most the players are all bankers and oil guys from what I understand. I got nothing against going to war for the right reasons, it seemed right in '91.

This time around, I feel the US Govt is screwin it all up. No declaration of war, blanket statements of WOT taking them anyplace they want to go, giving hundreds of billions of dollars away that'd be better spent here at home, neglecting our own people and borders, and the added coincidence of them all making a bunch of money overseas just dont all add up to a pretty picture that I cant support at this time. Theres absolutely nothing clearcut about what they're doing. Its fairly easy to see how it could go wrong for everyone and start on a big downward spiral though.

[Steel]

Salute to you -- great job!

"----*****" ?

great word...LOL!

[anchored]

put down the bong and quit listening to Henry Rollins.

ROTFL! I think I'm going to setal that one and use it elsewhere.

[Gary H]

Edward429451:

Your arguments ignore a few facts.

The post 9-11 world is different from the pre 9-11 world

The war on terrorism is both a short and long term problem. In the short term we kill the enemy and limit their access to weapons that might cause us great harm. This means Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and 100,000,000 fundamentalist must be dissuaded from supporting these groups. They also must not provide these groups with money and weapons. In the long term, we have to get them off our collective backs. We can start with Iraq because we have an entrée as per Saddam's refusal to disarm. Crushing Saddam and establishing a democratic Iraq will guide many of these 100M out of poverty. It is poverty that forms the real basis of this problem. Also, nothing quiets the Arab street better than fear. You also ignore a problem of our own making. The technological genie is very much out of the bag and we don't know how to stop it from biting us. What happens from now on is not just about money. This war on terrorism is a war fought for survival. If we don't sort things out, these new weapons will eventually be the death of us all. As for declaration of war and all of that; it doesn't seem that this approach has been followed much in the last one-hundred years

There’s absolutely nothing clear-cut about what they're doing.

I suspect that this is intentional. What part of the above diatribe is suitable for public consumption? I suspect that the next twenty years will be more dangerous than the last fifty.

[ReadyontheRight]

I find it quaint you're all about taking what people earn and giving it to people who haven't the smarts or industry to do for themselves (it's Robin hood-esque, no?).

Way to blast the bliss ninnies.

I do need to point out that Robin Hood wasn't really stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. He was taking the people's own money back from the government.

[CZ-75]

Check out the liberal racism at this forum too -- esp. the poster "potatomountain."


http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=218742&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

[igor]

Edward123456, what you said.

10-Ring, ***? :rolleyes:

Edit to add (after checking out the link..):

Brilliant insight, Swingset. Would you mind elaborating a bit on the baltic (sic) unrest of the '90's? :banghead:

[CZ-75]

Baltic has been spelled correctly, if not properly capitalized.

Perhaps the unrest refers to the Finnish Tango craze of some years back. ;)

[igor]

Ahhhh, THAT's what it was... a good thing they banned the possession of accordeons in the aftermath.

[OF]

That's 'accordions', igor.

- Gabe

[OF]

PS: A fine rant, swingset! Too bad your forum over there is populated with such poor sparring material that it's just the one.

:)

- Gabe

[igor]

Got me... ouch. That hurt right where my bagpope pokes.

[OF]

;)

[NewShooter78]

Now just remember, though, that all musicians aren't gun grabbin' blissninnies. Zakk Wylde and the Nuge come to mind, as well as me and our own Skunkabilly.