Walther P1 Report


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XavierBreath
November 7, 2003, 11:51 PM
Today, I took another old pistol to the range for a wringing out. This one was a Walther P1 that was accepted into the German Army in 1978. The Walther P1 is an alloy framed variant of the P38 which replaced the P08 Luger in WWII. It is a eight round 9mm DA/SA pistol. The barrel locks up with a falling block like the Beretta 92. It has a slide mounted safety/dec0cker. That is where the similarity to the Beretta ends though. The P1 has a loaded chamber indicator above the hammer like the PPK/S. It has a firing pin safety remarkably like the Colt Series 80. The magazine release is in the heel of the grip.

There are many variants of the P38/P1 pistols. Mine is in excellent condition, (apparently newly refurbished) from SOG. It came with a holster, cleaning kit, and two magazines. My P1 has the CAI import marking stitched onto the right of the slide. It has black plastic commercial grips. My P1 does not have the reinforcing hex in the frame as the earlier P1's have. Earlier this year, a buddy bought a reinforced frame P1 from SOG for $200. My later style frame P1 ran me $299. (The early alloy frames apparently had problems handling the recoil, thus the reinforcement.)

Once I got my P1 in my hands, the first thing I noticed was how ergonomic it is. It fits my hand as though I designed it myself. Both the safety and the slide release are easily reached with the right thumb. My P1 has white bar/dot sights. As usual, I stripped, cleaned and lubed the pistol. The lockwork had no finish wear, nor did the slide rails. This was not the case with my buddy's pistol bought earlier this year. My trigger pull was nice and smooth in DA, and short and crisp in SA. The frame is a glossier finish than the parkerized slide and frame. I'm not sure I like that, but I'm hoping it will grow on me.

I bought four value packs of Winchester White Box, and picked up a gallon bucket of reloads and headed to the range. I ran targets out to 20 feet, and began to shoot in my normal "new pistol" manner, one round in the mag, then two, then three, then five, etc. At first my accuracy was dismal. I quickly noted that this pistol had a knack for tossing brass in my collar. It ejects straight up. As I settled into shooting the pistol, my accuracy with it improved dramatically. It was then that I noticed a curious thing. The faster I shot the pistol, the better it grouped! Two inch groups became the norm after that first DA shot was fired. I stopped my round counting at 1000 rounds. I had no failures of any kind before or after that point.

The pistol's action was smooth to begin with, but after 1000 rounds, it felt like the slide was mounted on ball bearings. In total, I think I shot somewhere near 1300 rounds. I experienced no hammer or slide bite. Recoil was on the level of a Beretta 92FS.

I placed some heavier recoil springs on order with Wolff, as I'm thinking the originals may have taken a set over the past 25 years. I also ordered some walnut grips from Numrich. The P1 is a more modern sucessor of the famed P38. It was the granddaddy of the wonder-nine revolution, and was ahead of it's time in function, if not in appearance. The workmanship on the pistol screams quality, and is on par with $800 pistols we see today. This pistol was a pleasure to shoot. It's a keeper.

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BHPshooter
November 8, 2003, 01:24 AM
Thanks for that range report. I thought really hard about getting one of those after I read an article about them in the Shotgun News. Sadly, reality set in, and it just wouldn't have ever happened -- at least not for another year.

That sounds like a great gun. I love the older designs. Congratulations!

Wes

keederdag
November 8, 2003, 05:56 PM
I also have a P-1; I love it. Mine did the same ejection trick, except it popped me right between the eyes. I tweeked the ejector to it's limit with no results. Finally, I noticed the extractor spring seemed very week, so I ordered another from wolf. It didnt help. So I cut the old one in half and stacked them. This did the trick. Now it dumps them just to the left in a perfect pile. Still looking for some Cor-bon powerball to stoke it with though. Just bought some 124grn Fed Exp FMJ to try in it, I dunno why though, as the bullet profile is about like a hollowpoint (Truncated)? Well I'll probably try it later this week. I usually load it with Sellior&beliot 124grn Soft-points. My wife bought it for me, and it thus has a mystical quality for me at leaste. I have piles of other handguns, but it's the one I keep handy at home. Mine also wears wood grips.:D

WhoKnowsWho
November 8, 2003, 07:09 PM
Wish I could find one locally for under $500 :cuss:

Thanks for the report! I should get a Walther before my wife buys all of them!

Spieler
November 10, 2003, 07:53 AM
I too love my P-1. I wasn't really looking for one when I spotted it at a Gun Show in '96 but the price was right, around ~$280 or so with two mags and a leather holster. According to the info I had found in Gene Gangarosa's book, P-38 Automatic Pistol: The First Fifty Years , the markings on the pistol as well as the fact that it was made by Manuhrin suggested it was on issue to the West Berlin Polizei. This had a personal appeal to me since as an Army brat I was born and had grown up in West Berlin.

My pistol too is one of the most accurate in my hand and one of my favorites to take to the range. People at the range always want to shoot it and I am glad to oblige them. My friends also love shooting this gun. I have a couple of thousand rounds through it with no problems what so ever.

Here's a pic that does not do it justice:

XavierBreath
November 10, 2003, 03:15 PM
Just wanted to show it off again with the walnut grips.

RON in PA
November 11, 2003, 10:33 AM
A note re: the reinforced frame. The steel hex pin in the aluminum frame indicates latter manufacture, not early. Walther added the pin and thickened the slide after aprox. 1975 to increase longevity of the P1s.

denfoote
November 11, 2003, 03:01 PM
My P1 is a champ!! I wish I could find a holster for it that I could carry it concealed!!!

braeske
November 11, 2003, 03:11 PM
Too bad SOG is out of them -- my dad wants one. Anybody know anyone who has a stock of surplus P1's?

- Chris

XavierBreath
November 11, 2003, 05:15 PM
Chris, I ordered this one from SOG in October. Are they out already?

BigG
November 11, 2003, 05:16 PM
I bought one too. It looks pretty good. Marked P38 with alloy frame. It's a nice plinker.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=598359#post598359

braeske
November 11, 2003, 05:22 PM
I emailed SOG a couple of weeks ago and they said that they were out.

- Chris

alamo
November 12, 2003, 05:30 PM
Found this on the P-38 Forum:


I saw in the November 21, 2003 Gun List that SOG was offering the P1's with holster, cleaning kit, manual and test target for $299.95

I emailed them yesterday asking if any of these P1's had the "hex reinforcing nut" in the frame. I was told yes, but not how many they had (didn't ask them in the first place).

Also, SOG said that this week they offering them at $279.00 instead of what was advertised. Are they not moving, or are they being generous? Or are they in so so condition.....

A reply from another poster:

This is the batch mine came from. My condition was better than that of my buddy's P1. He ordered his back in Feb of 2003. My frame looked as though it was just finished, with no aluminum showing, not even on the trigger guard. Mine did not have the reinforcing hex.

keederdag
November 12, 2003, 07:42 PM
Mine was a SOG gun; slight blems on frame. Rest of the gun appears spankin new. Very excited about corbon's PowerBall ammo, to stoke it with.

cma g21
November 13, 2003, 08:43 AM
Found a few on Gunbroker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=13562038

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=13401452

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=13379144

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=13438797

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=13384395

hnm201
December 18, 2003, 11:43 PM
Does anyone know if it is safe to shoot modern defensive ammunition out of a P-38/P-1? KYIMPORTS has them for listed for $289.99 in "Excellent +" condition.

keederdag
December 19, 2003, 12:21 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say ya! The nato 124 grn 9X19 ammo is pretty snappy, and that was what the P-1 was made for. The P-38 is a different critter. War time expediance and ect. would prolly recomend standard to lighter loads. I shoot +p's out of my P-1 on a regular basis; @ about 2-300 rds a month. Never had any issues...so far. I did change the recoil springs with new Wolf's though. I'm a walther nut, so I just cant help myself.,:D

hnm201
December 19, 2003, 01:34 AM
Here is the KY Imports Ad in their latest printed catalog:

http://dombosco.home.insightbb.com/walther.jpg

Here is a link to their walther listing on ther website.

http://www.kyimports.com/tarus.htm#Walther

Are they selling a P-38 or a P-1? I would call them an ask, but I am sure that no one can tell me. I am googling and search THR to try to understand what the differences are between the two and how to identify them.

I remember seeing a gun rag article years ago about a smith who chopped these walthers down for ccdw. LOL.

hnm201
December 19, 2003, 01:40 AM
oh, so if it has an alloy frame it is a P-1, right?

hnm201
December 19, 2003, 01:54 AM
Impact Guns, has them.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/walther_p1.html

XavierBreath
December 19, 2003, 08:29 AM
SOG still has them, with the holster and two mags for $289.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=596080

hnm201
December 19, 2003, 08:39 AM
where did you get the wood grips?

XavierBreath
December 19, 2003, 01:11 PM
Numrich. $30

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=541100&chrSuperSKU=&MC=

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