[PeteyPete]

He is literally kicking the Brady Campaign representative's ??? all over the place. Check it out.

I think I may sign up for another 2-3 year membership just from watching his performance thus far.

[Kharn]

"You should be ashamed of yourself." <- Pratt telling the Anti to stop using the FBI statistics for justified homocide, as most cases never make it out of the grand jury. :D

Haha! a caller from Ohio just REAMED the Anti, "Your statistic saying England has less crime than the US is an absolute LIE, according to Interpol." (vs Pratt saying "The Mayor of London says he feels safer in NYC than London") He's beating the Anti over the head with his own charter.

Kharn

[PeteyPete]

Oh Man......it's a bloodbath.

Pratt is beating this fool like a rented mule.

[Kharn]

The Brady guy keeps bringing up "guns in bars" whenever concealed carry comes up.
He cant seem to deviate very far from his approved talking points.

Kharn

[pdt203]

I saw it too. Very interesting the constrant stream of lies coming out of the "Brady Boy". Drunks with guns, crime free England, and how he doesn't understand self protection outside of the home. What a loser.


Johnny in Huntsville

[MicroBalrog]

Is there a RealVideo link out there?

[jimpeel]

The program will re-air at (approx) 12:20PM EST.

You can view the program by going to http://c-span.org . Click on the appropriate link in the WATCH / LISTEN LIVE box.

OR ...

See the schedule at http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp and set the VCR accordingly. Remember, the time shown is approximate.

[Mark Tyson]

Way to go Larry Pratt! He's one cool customer. I like the way he handles the antis - it's fun to see them get their panties in a bunch, while he just sits there, cool as a cucumber, slicing and dicing their arguments to expose the nonsense at their core.

[cordex]

Re-air on CSPAN, not CSPAN2/3, right?

[geekWithA.45]

Does anyone know if a transcript will be available, and how to get it?

It's about time someone spanked the brady bunch, and spanked them soundly.

[jimpeel]

Per the C-Span schedule the thing will re-air at approx. 12:20 PM today on C-Span, NOT C-Span 2 or 3. Note the "approx" part. Tune in early just in case.

Click here to see the schedule (http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp)

[Langenator]

VCR locked and cocked.

[jimpeel]

Make sure the VCR starts a little early as the air time is approximate.

[geekWithA.45]

Langenator:

Cock first, then lock. Otherwise it's lock, try to cock, unlock, cock, then lock.

;) ;) ;)

[NIGHTWATCH]

GO GOA! :D

[Langenator]

OK, watched the re-run...a few things I noticed:

1. Patterson's total disregard of the fact that the 2A exists to protect the citizens from govt tyranny. "There's no rational argument." So apparently, Jefferson, Adams, et al, are not rational.

2. Patterson's complaining that the "gun lobby" is too powerful. Maybe the NRA has a lot of political clout because it has 4 million or so dues paying members, and 80 million or so Americans own guns. Pratt referred to this obliquely.

3. Where the heck did Patterson come up with the statistic that in TX 60% (pardon me if his fudged numbers aren't exactly correct) more gun crimes are committed by CCW holders than non-permit holders? Given that the media is virulently anti-gun, if this had happened, don't you think they'd be shouting it from every convienent rooftop?

[geekWithA.45]

It was a complete ROUTE.

The Brady guy didn't score a single point.

Not one.

And I love that more than one caller called him an outright liar.

[jimpeel]

It was a complete ROUTE.Was that a rout on the route; at the end of the route; or on the way to the rout? :D :D

[Mark Tyson]

It was a rout - not a route, nor a root, but the point is moot.

Where the heck did Patterson come up with the statistic that in TX 60% (pardon me if his fudged numbers aren't exactly correct) more gun crimes are committed by CCW holders than non-permit holders?

I'll bet he was talking about parking tickets, knowing those guys.

I love watching antis crash and burn.

[BB93YJ]

As usual, the 'anti's' don't want to be inconvenienced by pesky things like the facts...

[Stickjockey]

AAghh! No cable and missed the thread until it was too late! Anybody get this on tape?

[jimpeel]

Something that was brought up by Patterson and also a caller. They said essentially that if you want to play with assault weapons, you should join the military.

This is what Wesley Clark has said not too long ago when he said "If you are the type of person who likes assault weapons, there is a place for you -- the United States Army. We have them."

I tried to get through and chide this guy about this as it is very similar to the Heinrich Himmler quote where he told the German people "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state."

I wanted to tell the guy that he was, once again, parroting the Nazis in his sloganeering and that we are aware that this line of crap will be the new mantra from now until the AW ban sunsets.

I had a lot more -- the failyre of C-68 and how none of the provinces will enforce it, the London Daily Telegraph story on how fully one-fourth of all Britons have been mugged, etc.

Alas, I didn't get through; but I am going to write Pratt and tell him that he needs to bone up on the Himmler quote to counter the new mantra and throw it in their faces when they start chanting it.

[Werewolf]

It's Cspan guys...

The mindless masses are watching cartoons and porn. Not many will see it.

[Dorian]

Yeah I don't see it set to re play anywhere in the near future.

I'd really like to see it too. :(

[jimpeel]

Maybe GOA will post it to their site. If enough of us ask really nice, maybe they will.

Up in the right hand corner of the C-Span site is a search window that is for the video archive. I did a search on "gun" and got three responses. One was this:

Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep & Bear Arms News Conference on Crime, Terrorism and Gun Ownership (http://cspanrm.fplive.net/ramgen/cspan/kdrive/ter111901_crime.rm)
With John Snyder, Vice President, NACOP & Public Affairs Director of Citizens Committee for the Right to Bear Arms

It might be a good idea to search on the word "pratt" in a few days.

[Monkeyleg]

"Where the heck did Patterson come up with the statistic that in TX 60% (pardon me if his fudged numbers aren't exactly correct) more gun crimes are committed by CCW holders than non-permit holders?"

Langenator, that's a Violence Policy Center statistic. Prior to last year, the Texas Department of Public Safety published raw data on their internet site concerning permit holders: arrests, disposition of cases, and convictions, all broken out by individual offense, and in no particular order or category.

The VPC took some weapons-related data, and lumped them into a category that they called "gun crimes" in their so-called study.

There were 800-some "gun crimes" in that category, including offenses such as discharging within city limits, etc. But over 600 of those offenses were for two specific violations: failure to display a carry permit, and carrying in a place prohibited by Texas' carry law. Only permit holders could be arrested for those two offenses.

Sort of skews the results, doesn't it?

[WAGCEVP]

One thing I got to hand to Larry, he's knows his stuff and aint afraid to say it like it is........................... he's quit a debater!

I like to listen to him speak!

[AZRickD]

The VPC "study" was so bad that the Texas DPS published a letter debunking VPC.

It may still be on the TxDPS web site.

Though not from TxDPS, this has a synopsis...

http://www.mcsm.org/miscreports/txresp.pdf

Rick

[geekWithA.45]

The Brady guy made a point about barrel shrouds "being so as to dissipate the heat from rapid firing", and "flash hiders so as to hide the shooter".

Larry could have whaled him good:

"Barrel shrouds don't dissipate heat, they are safety devices intended to prevent you from burning yourself on the hot barrel. You claim to be a "gun safety movement", and yet you've managed to outlaw a safety device. How smart is that? Also, flash hiders are intended to hide the flash from the shooter at night, so as not to lose their night vision, and the simply don't hide the shooter."

That would have made the trouncing deeper and more satisfying.

[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

[Langenator]

Yeah, he did miss some opportunities with the flash hider and the barrel shroud. Patterson kept coming back to those, but they're basically red herrings. Especially the shrouds-can anyone tell me what weapons actually have the things? I know the antis "favorite" evil gun, the TEC-9, does, but the only other ones I've seen are the mostly cosmetic ones some folks put on their tactical shotguns, and on the occasional civilianized PPSH-41/43. And last I checked, Stalin's banjo hasn't been used in committing crimes since the Red Army raped half of the women in Berlin.

The point I really wished Mr Pratt had come down hard on was when Patterson dismissed the 2A's purpose of allowing the citizens to defend themselves against government tyranny as irrelevant. He should have gotten the whole library's worth of Madison, Adams, Jefferson, etc dropped on him right there.

[deanf]

What is the name of the program this debate was on please?

[Don Galt]

Can't find "Pratt" when you do a search in their archives... don't know how often they update them though.

[jimpeel]

The entire program is available for Washington Journal for 11-06-03, 11-07-03, and 11-10-03 but there is no listing for 11-08-03. Imagine that.

[jimpeel]

Wrote to the producers at journal@c-span.org .

Why is there no video posted at the C-SPAN website for Washington Journal for Saturday, November 8, 2003?

I would really like to see the program but can find no listing. The programs for 11-06, 11-07, and 11-10 are there.

Please respond with the information on when this show will be available.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE

[deanf]

I sent an email too. If they get enough, they should post it.

[geekWithA.45]

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/fullschedule.csp?timeid=211935052077

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=171164415 (You'll have to scroll a bit)

[deanf]

This is all it says at those links:

Call-In
U.S. Gun Policy
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 179035 - 6 - 11/08/2003 - 0:39 - $29.95



Pratt, Larry, Executive Director, Gun Owners of America
Patterson, Richard North, Author




The guests discuss U.S. gun policy including gun control efforts and other legislation in Congress.

[Kharn]

Pratt, Larry, Executive Director, Gun Owners of America
Patterson, Richard North, Author

Nice bit of bias there, not listing Patterson's association with the Bradys...

Kharn

[tyme]

Emailed.

I've never understood c-span's video-retention policy. It seems like they pick stuff at random to put online.

A while back I complained to them that an "america and the courts" tape of Justice Breyer was listed but the link was broken, and rather than put it online, they shot back that the search engine was broken. :rolleyes:

It is run by the major cable news companies. One has to wonder if they ommitted last weekend's washington journal tapes on purpose.

[geekWithA.45]

Nice bit of bias there, not listing Patterson's association with the Bradys...

The discussion started around Patterson's book, Balance of Power, and he was trying to play it as an book author. Pratt gave him some rope, and then outed him.

It was sweet