9mm 147 Grain: Yes or No?


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bg226
November 25, 2009, 10:53 PM
Do you use 147 grain for defense? Why or why not?

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earlthegoat2
November 25, 2009, 11:15 PM
I use 124 gr or 115 gr. Both in +P format.

GRIZ22
November 25, 2009, 11:27 PM
147 gr is the most accurate in my S&W, Taurus, and Beretta handguns. I realize that they don't generally expand as well as lighter bullets but I'm willing to give that up for the accuracy. If you're counting on violent bullet expansion to make up for poor marksmanship you're fooling yourself.

RockyMtnTactical
November 25, 2009, 11:29 PM
124gr +P Speer Gold Dots for me.

esheato
November 25, 2009, 11:34 PM
I use 124 gr or 115 gr. Both in +P format.

Same goes for me.

Kangspec
November 25, 2009, 11:35 PM
i think best way is, find out by testing both gr's.

according to many reviews, HST 147gr do better job than 124gr.

easyg
November 25, 2009, 11:37 PM
It will get the job done if you hit the right spots.

BushyGuy
November 25, 2009, 11:47 PM
i only use 147gr in my 9mm cuz the lighter bullets wont penetrate barriers as deep as a 147 gr JHP will . what if a self defense scenario requires to shoot thru barriers? 147gr is the best choice either Hydra-shoks ,Hornady 147 CQ TAP, RangersSXT, and Gold Dots.

lions
November 26, 2009, 12:14 AM
No, I use 124gr. for defense. If I wanted heavier bullets I would choose a different caliber.

mljdeckard
November 26, 2009, 12:31 AM
I haven't carried 9mm for some time, but if I did, I would use 147 gr, because I would be WISHING I had a bigger caliber. From what I understand, 147 gr bullets have come a long way since they were introduced.

mp510
November 26, 2009, 12:40 AM
I carry 124 grain Guardian Golds.

However, I do have some 147 grain FMJ for range use (because of velocity).

sidheshooter
November 26, 2009, 12:57 AM
From what I understand, 147 gr bullets have come a long way since they were introduced.

This is my understanding as well. Of course, the same can be said for the 115 and 124 loadings, so I'm taking my uprgraded designs in those weights instead.

novalty
November 26, 2009, 08:42 AM
I use standard pressure 124gr Remington Golden Sabers. The expansion is amazing. I'm sure there are probably some better out there, but I really do like the Golden Sabers.

ku4hx
November 26, 2009, 09:16 AM
Remington Golden Saber or Speer Gold Dot both in 124 gr. in my bride's Glock 17 and daughter's Glock 19 Refresh the store bought ammo supply about every five years and at that time reassess terminal ballistics based on latest technology and trusted test sources.

Shytheed Dumas
November 26, 2009, 10:26 AM
124gr +P Speer Gold Dots for me.

Ditto.

Water-Man
November 26, 2009, 10:37 AM
Yes! Federal HST. Better penetration and it does expand!

Man With A Gun
November 26, 2009, 11:59 AM
STAY AWAY FROM LOW VELOCITY ( Sub sonic ) 147 grain loads.

This was an FBI mistake in thinking a heavy, slow slug would do the job.

The NEW stuff is great in +P loadings.

Quoheleth
November 26, 2009, 12:04 PM
No. They don't function reliably in a CZ.

Q

Walkalong
November 26, 2009, 12:18 PM
It would be a good 124 Gr round for me, but I have never carried my EMP.......yet. :cool:

wheel
November 26, 2009, 12:56 PM
Posted by Man_With_A_Gun:

STAY AWAY FROM LOW VELOCITY ( Sub sonic ) 147 grain loads.
This was an FBI mistake in thinking a heavy, slow slug would do the job.
The NEW stuff is great in +P loadings.

That is not completely accurate.
The Federal HST 147gr (normal pressure, subsonic) is the best 9mm load available today. I used to use 124gr Gold Dots, but HST is newer technology and is superior. Countless tests (both amateur and professional) show it produces huge expansion (far better than others) with good penetration. They do offer a +P version, but it's not significantly better, if at all. And the .45 HST 230gr +P is equally impressive. Some links with results are below. In most of the pictures you can spot the HST round immediately, with the huge expanded petals. One shows it completely covering a nickel :eek:

http://frag.110mb.com/

http://http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html)

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=313054

bluetopper
November 26, 2009, 01:04 PM
I'm not obsessed with trying to find the hyped up, high dollar, rhino stopping ammo.

I find 147gr cast lead reloads provide me the greatest accuracy hitting the X ring at 25 yards. That's where I find my satisfaction.

But I also shoot a Dan Wesson 9mm 1911 I use as a target not a carry gun.

Claude Clay
November 26, 2009, 01:30 PM
147's i use for plate shoots, IDPA.
they cycle the gun a tad slower and this allows for
improved follow up shot placement.
they also seem to take down the metal more often
even with out of the center shots

golden sabers 124 +p for carry

Devilfrog
November 26, 2009, 01:52 PM
I carry 147 Grain Gold Sabre for CCW and 147 Grain Gold Dots for work. :cool:

wnycollector
November 26, 2009, 02:29 PM
I wouldn't feel under gunned carrying a pistol loaded with doubletaps +P 147gr gold dots if they were reliable and accurate in my gun. http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_37&products_id=121

9mmepiphany
November 26, 2009, 03:02 PM
nope

i use 124gr Gold Dot or 127gr Talon in +P with good function and accuracy...the original design weight for the 9mm rounds was 124grs.

cast bullets in 135-147grs have an accuracy advantage in competition...a bit different than for defense

1SOW
November 27, 2009, 12:09 AM
Quoheleth: No. They don't function reliably in a CZ.

The CZ will run perfectly with 147gr if the slide stop shape is slightly altered to allow clearance for the bullet. A simple fix with a dremel and some fine sandpaper.

http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=19892.0
and scroll down to slide stop for larger bullets

oops, edit to read slide stop not ejector---senior moment

9mmepiphany
November 27, 2009, 01:00 AM
when the H&K P-7 was making a play for a portion of the LE market with the M8 amd M13, they sent out a bulletin not to shoot the P7 with SilverTips or 147gr bullets.

the 147gr warning was only directed towrd the P-7 as it worked fine in the MP-5...especially the SD model

jglcolosprgs
November 27, 2009, 01:19 AM
124 gr +p

LubeckTech
November 27, 2009, 01:40 AM
I prefer 147gr bullets in general for 9mm because I like am (for better or worse) a big fan of the .38spl. To me 147gr 9mm is like a 38spl Glock.

Kangspec
November 27, 2009, 01:41 AM
seems like for HST 9mm. 147gr do slightly better job than 124gr.

RX-178
November 27, 2009, 01:48 AM
This is really just a heavy and slow vs light and fast argument within the same caliber.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/ If you aren't aware of it already, I highly recommend this site for choosing your carry loads. In 9mm, I personally go for the 147gr. I also usually carry a .45 instead of a 9mm.

gmh1013
November 27, 2009, 01:54 AM
Yes I use Fed 147 grain in my Sig 2022...love it

Ryder
November 27, 2009, 09:04 AM
I have never shot a 147gr 9mm bullet.

grimjaw
November 27, 2009, 12:07 PM
No. They don't function reliably in a CZ.

Q

Maybe your CZ, but they've worked fine in three of my CZs (P01, PCR, and stainless 75B).

I use 9mm 147gr because of the unexamined belief that I'll get slightly better penetration out of shorter barrels without having to go to a +P load designed for that purpose. Less stress on the gun and on my hand (I carry a Kahr MK9).

jm

Gary in Pennsylvania
November 27, 2009, 01:52 PM
124gr +P Speer Gold Dots for me.



Me too.
Same as RckMtn

Jim PHL
November 27, 2009, 06:22 PM
can't recall if I'd actually shot any 147 lately but the 124 grain offerings are very accurate for me - much better than 115's - so I stick with them.

BlindJustice
November 27, 2009, 06:48 PM
Yes, Double Tap 147 Gr. Gold Dot JHPs rated @ 1125 FPS

NG VI
November 27, 2009, 06:56 PM
From what I understand, 147 gr bullets have come a long way since they were introduced.

Absolutely.

I'm not obsessed with trying to find the hyped up, high dollar, rhino stopping ammo.

So no Cor-Bon for you eh? HST is actually the cheapest of the current crop of defense loads, and it just works, really, really well. It's an extremely consistent and dependable bullet.

Snowdog
November 28, 2009, 01:23 AM
There's nothing wrong with today's 147gr JHPs. Current generation 147gr JHPs are designed to expand at lower velocities typically encountered from short-barrel handguns and are generally tolerant of clothing. I have quite a bit of respect for the 147gr Federal HST and it's what my Hipower stays loaded with.
Though I use standard pressure 124gr Golden Sabers (another JHP designed to have a low velocity expansion threshold) for CCW, I have used 147gr Rangers, HST and Hydra-Shok ammunition from my carry K9 plenty and wouldn't feel less protected with any of them.

jerico34
November 28, 2009, 02:37 AM
Presently caarrying Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. Does anyone have experience with that ammo?

Coltman 77
November 28, 2009, 04:35 PM
I use 124 gr +P in the following; Golden Saber, HST, Gold Dot.

Erik M
November 28, 2009, 06:11 PM
I like the Federal +p+ 115 grain stuff because my pistola eats it perfectly.

124gr Golden Sabre +p also gets an honorable mention from me.

Maj Dad
November 28, 2009, 06:33 PM
I use Speer 124 Gold Dots because they shoot exactly to point of aim at 15-20 yards in my slicked up 908 Smith, otherwise, I would use whatever weight slug did that.

wrs840
November 28, 2009, 06:44 PM
I use standard pressure 124gr Remington Golden Sabers.

Me too. It's just because of a couple of range testing outings comparing all the usual contenders. It just made me and my wife comfortable that we were getting the best groups with it in her S&W 5904. So I say try everything you're considering, and go with what gives you confidence in the cumulative combination of man, method, and machine.

Les

wally
November 28, 2009, 08:02 PM
I would if I carried a 9mm. So I voted yes.

--wally.

Dr_2_B
November 28, 2009, 11:30 PM
For many of us, our personal choice may not mean we withhold endorsement. For example, I carry 124 +p in mine usually, but that doesn't mean I'd rule out the 147. 15 years ago, I would've ruled it out, but not anymore.

grimjaw
November 29, 2009, 07:45 PM
Personally, I don't see the point in 124gr 9x19 +P loads anymore. .357 SIG surpasses that in its "standard" pressure load. My view of 9x19 is similar to what one of the other posters mentioned. My 9x19 guns are the equivalent of expanded capacity, autoloading .38 Specials. I use it because it is a relatively low recoil round in a standard pressure load, and I want the heaviest bullet available for it that will reliably expand at the velocities I can expect at typical self defense ranges. I understand that more recent bullet designs are better at this than 147gr offerings from the past.

Rock
November 29, 2009, 08:12 PM
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

ByAnyMeans
November 29, 2009, 09:18 PM
147gr Federal HST in a Glock26

9mmepiphany
November 29, 2009, 10:03 PM
.357 SIG surpasses that in its "standard" pressure load.

the issue is that the standard pressure 357Sig is much harder on the gun than even the 9mm +P loads, as it is based on the .40

Wahoo95
November 29, 2009, 10:44 PM
My P7 loves 147gr HST....and so does my CZ85.

evan price
November 30, 2009, 01:02 AM
147 grain Gold Dots are my go-to carry load. I prefer subsonics because there won't be ear protection in case of a self defense shooting, and I like my bullets to be like me- heavy & slow.
Seriously, modern 147-grain SD loads expand very nicely.

Mainsail
November 30, 2009, 12:08 PM
147gr HSTs in my Sig P239.

As an aside; I'm always amused when someone suggests the hydrashocks. I know they're still a great round, but the newer HSTs are much better.

NG VI
November 30, 2009, 02:37 PM
No. They don't function reliably in a CZ.

Q

Maybe your CZ, but they've worked fine in three of my CZs (P01, PCR, and stainless 75B).


They work perfectly in my PCR as well.

TexasBill
November 30, 2009, 03:22 PM
I've got my PX4 loaded with 147-grain Golden Sabers and my FNP-9 stocked with 147-grain Speer Gold Dots. I like 'em both.

hirundo82
November 30, 2009, 09:19 PM
All my 9mm SD guns (Glock 17, Glock 19, Sig P6) are loaded with Federal HST 147 grain, which they all feed and fire well.

.357 magnum
December 2, 2009, 12:08 AM
147gr is MUCH better then it used to be. I use Winchester LE Bonded 147gr +P and Federal LE Tactical HST 147+P. The heavier Bullet Penetrates Better then 124gr and 115gr. The Expansion is just Awesome! Bullet Technology has sure Improved.

The Best to All!

Frank

searcher451
December 2, 2009, 12:15 PM
These days, I take what I can get ... and it's not easy to get much of anything in self-defense rounds for either 9mm or .380 in my neck of the woods.

BlayGlock
December 2, 2009, 06:28 PM
I use 124gr +p Gold Dots. My gun likes them.

michiganfan
December 2, 2009, 07:30 PM
Federal 115 +P+

Skipper
December 2, 2009, 10:45 PM
147 for me. I just like heavy bullets in most calibers.

Skip

Boba Fett
December 2, 2009, 11:48 PM
I use 147 in most of my pistols but not all of them. Really depends on what each pistol likes.

My Baby Eagle loves the stuff.

My Walther PPS thus far has not been a fan of the 147 HP I've fed it. May want to try a different brand, but it seems to be happier with a lighter grain.

model of 1905
December 3, 2009, 01:11 AM
I dont worry much about which quality SD ammo I use. I dont always carry a 9mm but when I do I prefer Corbon DPX 115 gr +P JHP.
Then again I have a bunch of Winchester Ranger Bonded JHP 147 gr and would feel quite comfortable with it also. Capacity and placement are key.

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